9 hours ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Did you watch Justin Herbert play tonight?

 

What does that have to do with Jalen Hurts on the Eagles? 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And that was on Hurts?  Not the D that let Herbert go 32/38, 356, 2, 0?

 

1 minute ago, pallidrone said:

He beat the Eagles because the defense couldn't get a stop when it counted.

Thanks for proving my point.

Against teams that have a QB that can score, the Eagles will have to learn to pass the ball to beat said teams. At the end of the day, Hurts didn't play a bad game, but his passing game limited us and as a result, we lost. 

At some point, a team with a good QB is going to take our running away by taking a two score lead. Hurts inability to pass consistently will kill us. We literally see it with Lamar (who's infinitely better as a passer compared to Hurts) every year in the playoffs.

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

says the guy who thinks Hurts is good at throwing the ball. 

That reply is about as weak as your arguments. I will enjoy watching Hurts the next decade and you and the likes crying about it. 😉

But hey, just another decade and you’ll be allowed to drink beer! 👍

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You must have been drunk.  Because you were one and there was def some other posters, around the Tampa game, that were saying how he was playing "solid" and could make the pro bowl because of the amount of tackles he was racking up.  I know there are other posters who remember it.  

I was not one...your memory may be inaccurate due to misreading posts.

Guess I shouldn't have been surprised but here we are.  The more the Eagles win and the offense looks with Hurts the more nervous and desperate those that hate him in this blog get. 

You guys are nuts. Don’t know how this is sustainable (probably isn’t) but could you imagine this team as currently playing in the playoffs? 
 

Would be a tough out for anyone. 
 

I am done over analyzing the kid: he’s getting better and the offense he is leading is doing some ridiculous things. It’s his show until it isn’t. Just enjoy what has inexplicably become a fun season. 

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Sure.  But the key attributes, that's needed, will limit him.  

Seeing the field...pocket presence....and having the arm talent to sling routine passes with ease.  Rather than having to rare back and heave it for 15 yards to the sideline. 

 

He made one decent anticipation throw to the sideline to Goedert yesterday, early.  Later in the game, the ball took forever to get there.  He is just not a good passer of the football.  That's most likely not something that you "build upon".  

I think he’s not getting enough credit for his passing considering how much time he’s had in the system.  A lot of what your saying in my view comes from experience.  If the team has his back there’s danger in bringing in his replacement, particularly one that has no real experience and may never pan out.  There’s enough here not to invest in QB in the short term.  In the long term, he might improve in some of the areas seen as lacking. 

The formula the Birds played for the Saints would work against the top teams. Run the ball, score, control the clock keeping the opposing offense off the field. The play calling is night and day different from the first 7 weeks, this is practically a different team the way they are playing now.

Eagles had a VERY tough schedule to start the season, but they have settled in and found their playing style. If you can be dominate running the ball, you can dictate the game. Eagles showed that against one of the best run defense over the last 2 years.

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

No one hates him lol

 A lot of us think we cant win in the playoffs with him, because you know, he cant throw in the middle of the field, cant throw to the left of the field, cant throw further than 15 yards. doesnt know how to read a defense. Has zero pocket awareness. But again, no one hates him. 

Wrong. Everyone who acknowledges his short comings wishes he would get hurt and is racist. 

Or so I'm told.

I was happy to see us win yesterday, now imagine what we could do with a quarterback that is more consistent. So yeah if I can trade for a real qb I would

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

"wasn't me"...or... "I was joking"....

 

 

what is funny? I have never said he was going to make the pro bowl, and never said that I thought he should. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

No one hates him lol

 A lot of us think we cant win in the playoffs with him, because you know, he cant throw in the middle of the field, cant throw to the left of the field, cant throw further than 15 yards. doesnt know how to read a defense. Has zero pocket awareness. But again, no one hates him. 

This is the one that concerns me the most... Mac Jones vs  his rookie QB counterparts is the perfect case study of how important the mental part of the game is as a QB. Hurts has a strong work ethic though, so maybe he will show some growth in the second half.

17 minutes ago, krzyroone07 said:

Hurts is still a young QB.  I think he shows uncommon attributes that you can build upon.  Our problem initially was Sirianni, our schedule and that we’re still somewhat old.  He’s adjusted, Hurts has shown enough as a young QB, and we have a lot of draft capital.  I would be very disappointed if we used any of that early capital on a QB.  There are plenty of other holes to fill.  
 

Thus far I’m very pleased with this team though my expectations were admittedly low.  Use the picks on D, and I’m more than happy being a run first defensive minded team.

I’d argue that our problem initially was the incompatibility between what Sirianni was trying to do and what Hurts was capable of doing. 

rightly so, once proven (and beaten and dragged through the absolute) that Hurts couldn’t run what Siri wanted, he adjusted. 

I think Taking the pressure off of Hurts as a QB is the biggest change and has allowed him the growth we are seeing. But I still believe that Hurts’ flaws will keep his ceiling as a mid-tier QB long term. 
 

While fun to watch (and certainly better than the alternative) I have to believe Sirianni wants a more qualified passer as his QB so the offense can be more dynamic. 
 

I just don’t ever see this kind of offense as one the Eagles would run long term. And while I love that old time ground game, I don’t think it holds up against the better teams in the league. It also almost necessitates playing with a lead - so your defense better be stifling. 
 

if the saints offense was even somewhat competent yesterday and they take the lead early, do you still think we would have won?

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Experience?  His arm is what it is.  He is not a pure passer of the football.  He might get a little better at reading the field.  But he is not a good thrower of the football.  That's not something that experience will fix.  

I disagree.  I think his arm talent is fine.  He’ll never have Aaron Rodgers accuracy but who does?  If that’s what we’re looking for and direct our assets at gaining, we’ll fall completely off the rails.  Develop your team to your strengths.  There’s nothing wrong with winning the line of scrimmage, controlling the clock, etc.  I do not believe that’s not a formula that can work in the playoffs.  Also, chemistry, leadership and work ethic go a long way and are not as easily obtained as some might think.  He checks those boxes for me and I would not doubt that 5 years from now he’s a different looking passer.

1 hour ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well that's objectively not true. Never mind all the bishing in here about it, there's stats that support he's looking to hit home runs over taking what's there. I'm not sure why you're trying to die on this hill. Yesterday was a massive improvement for him in those terms. 

He runs patiently and then takes whats there for 1-2 yards if thats all. Yes, occasionally he misses a hole on the back side. I know that, and was ciritical of picking him in round 2 because of his inexperience at Penn State, and lack of vision. I was critical of taking a RB that high, after passing on them over the prior 3 excellent RB classes. And especially for taking the inexperienced guy with no vision.

I remained critical of him while he was making big plays catching wheel routes, because he still stunk as a runner. And people rebutted that, though, they were wrong.

Then, he began making plays in the run game by the end of that year. And has since become a very consistent runner. While still can miss a hole here and there, hes not a dancer, and he isnt a consistent yardage loser. He is a consistent yardage gainer. If nothing is there, hes sure to still get at least a few. Now, somehow he sucks at catching the ball.

6 minutes ago, Swoop said:

 

Thanks for proving my point.

Against teams that have a QB that can score, the Eagles will have to learn to pass the ball to beat said teams. At the end of the day, Hurts didn't play a bad game, but his passing game limited us and as a result, we lost. 

At some point, a team with a good QB is going to take our running away by taking a two score lead. Hurts inability to pass consistently will kill us. We literally see it with Lamar (who's infinitely better as a passer compared to Hurts) every year in the playoffs.

Except we were right in the game with the Chargers. It's not like that was a blowout made close by garbage time. In fact, we are blowing out the lesser teams of the league at this point, which is exactly what you hope to see. 

If another team can effectively stop our rush attack, and force us into a pass heavy day, then good on them for doing so. But come December/January, if we can keep up this level of grinding, I think a lot of teams won't want to see us coming in the cold days. You're right that this system needs to avoid falling behind, but so do a lot of teams. And all the teams that are "contenders", all have big fatal flaws as well. 

We don't have any alternatives now, though some were calling for Minshew. Hurts is who we will ride or die with this year, and under him and Sirianni and a major shift in offensive philosophy, we've become an actual threat offensively. 

I don't know what the future holds for Hurts or us, but I do know it was painful watching the slop this team was in the first month plus. It's been a complete 180 since then and Sunday's have become fun again. I can't imagine still bishing about Hurts problems, which we've done since he was drafted, instead of just enjoying the ride. 

3 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I’d argue that our problem initially was the incompatibility between what Sirianni was trying to do and what Hurts was capable of doing. 

rightly so, once proven (and beaten and dragged through the absolute) that Hurts couldn’t run what Siri wanted, he adjusted. 

I think Taking the pressure off of Hurts as a QB is the biggest change and has allowed him the growth we are seeing. But I still believe that Hurts’ flaws will keep his ceiling as a mid-tier QB long term. 
 

While fun to watch (and certainly better than the alternative) I have to believe Sirianni wants a more qualified passer as his QB so the offense can be more dynamic. 
 

I just don’t ever see this kind of offense as one the Eagles would run long term. And while I love that old time ground game, I don’t think it holds up against the better teams in the league. It also almost necessitates playing with a lead - so your defense better be stifling. 
 

if the saints offense was even somewhat competent yesterday and they take the lead early, do you still think we would have won?

Fair points

Though I think that the game plan regardless of QB needed to be more balanced from the get go.  How we were using Sanders early on was ridiculous.  Most teams need balance.  That I would not put on Hurts

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh...you were joking.  Got it.  

 

I wasnt joking. I never said it. I said it would be funny if he did. And I was serious about the fact that it would be funny. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He runs patiently and then takes whats there for 1-2 yards if thats all. Yes, occasionally he misses a hole on the back side. I know that, and was ciritical of picking him in round 2 because of his inexperience at Penn State, and lack of vision. I was critical of taking a RB that high, after passing on them over the prior 3 excellent RB classes. And especially for taking the inexperienced guy with no vision.

I remained critical of him while he was making big plays catching wheel routes, because he still stunk as a runner. And people rebutted that, though, they were wrong.

Then, he began making plays in the run game by the end of that year. And has since become a very consistent runner. While still can miss a hole here and there, hes not a dancer, and he isnt a consistent yardage loser. He is a consistent yardage gainer. If nothing is there, hes sure to still get at least a few. Now, somehow he sucks at catching the ball.

He became consistent this year? When we ran 3 times a game? Then he got hurt and missed 3 games? He was much better at going straight ahead yesterday, and admitted missing the 3 games and watching Howard/Scott run behind the big uglies inspired him to do the same. I'm glad to see it. 

Moving forward with the run focused offense and a healthy Miles Sanders, I think they either need to dress all 4 RB or keep Gainwell active instead of Boston Scott.  Scott offers a very similar but not as bruising style as Howard whereas Gainwell brings a different dimension.  Will there be a way to take advantage of the RB passing game?

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

He became consistent this year? When we ran 3 times a game? Then he got hurt and missed 3 games? He was much better at going straight ahead yesterday, and admitted missing the 3 games and watching Howard/Scott run behind the big uglies inspired him to do the same. I'm glad to see it. 

He didnt become consistent this year. He became consistent last year. He was awesome last year. Still very good this year when given carries.

Broncos resigning Sutton is a surprise. Sutton has just not been the same since the torn ACL.

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Guess I shouldn't have been surprised but here we are.  The more the Eagles win and the offense looks with Hurts the more nervous and desperate those that hate him in this blog get. 

Hold on Sparky...

Don't take a victory lap at 2 in the afternoon because it's sunny, when we all told you it was dark twelve hours earlier.

He wasn't good earlier and he isn't great now.  He is just very effective in this scheme.

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There’s a perception that Jordan Howard is a straight-ahead no-nonsense runner and Miles Sanders is more of an all-or-nothing guy who can bust a huge gain but is also prone to losing yardage. The stats say that’s true. During their 2 1/2 seasons together with the Eagles, Sanders has been stopped for a loss twice as often. Howard has lost yards on 5.8 percent of his carries (9 of 155) and Sanders on 11.8 percent of his carries (45 of 406). On 3rd-and-1 and 4th-and-1? Sanders is 13-for-24 (1.9 yards per attempt) with 8 conversions and Howard is 4-for-21 (5.3 ypc) with three conversions. Sanders has a much higher average – 4.9 to 4.4 – because he hits a lot more long gainers. But if you just want to move the chains, Howard brings terrific value to the offense. He should have been on the roster all year.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-observations-one-area-jalen-hurts-has-made-remarkable-progress

 

Howard and Sanders compliment each other very well. Sanders loses yards at a higher clip, BUT he also hits bigger runs and has a higher career YPC than Howard. Howard can move the chains and punish the defense. This offense needs both right now.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Broncos resigning Sutton is a surprise. Sutton has just not been the same since the torn ACL.

Now I don thave to keep wondering if Id prefer to sign a big possession guy, or a speed guy in free agency. Its gonna be speed. Big possession guy is not available.