7 minutes ago, krzyroone07 said:

I disagree.  I think his arm talent is fine.  He’ll never have Aaron Rodgers accuracy but who does?  If that’s what we’re looking for and direct our assets at gaining, we’ll fall completely off the rails.  Develop your team to your strengths.  There’s nothing wrong with winning the line of scrimmage, controlling the clock, etc.  I do not believe that’s not a formula that can work in the playoffs.  Also, chemistry, leadership and work ethic go a long way and are not as easily obtained as some might think.  He checks those boxes for me and I would not doubt that 5 years from now he’s a different looking passer.

Better arm talent gets the ball to Sanders before Williams can get to the sideline.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Speak it into existence.....it works.........not really.  

 

And what does this mean.....I read it 4 times and I'm still not sure.  "I do not believe that’s not a formula that can work in the playoffs"

I mean,  I’m not sure if it’s grammatically correct but I’m saying that I believe that a team doing what we’re doing right now can be successful in the playoffs, playing from behind, etc.  I’m ok with the current philosophy.  I don’t see that retooling to a more pass heavy team is a requirement now or later.  We can continue to win with our current formula.  Take our draft assets and invest in it

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Moving forward with the run focused offense and a Miles Sanders, I think they either need to dress all 4 RB or keep Gainwell active instead of Boston Scott.  Scott offers a very similar but not as bruising style as Howard whereas Gainwell brings a different dimension.  Will there be a way to take advantage of the RB passing game?

Agreed, Gainwell over Scott. With Sanders or Howard in the mix you dont need Scotts running ability, and Gainwell is more of a plus pass catcher (its really not even close). Dress 3

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Better arm talent gets the ball to Sanders before Williams can get to the sideline.

Yea but how many QBs can do what he does with his legs?  We can point out flaws in all but a handful of QBs games.  
 

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hold on Sparky...

Don't take a victory lap at 2 in the afternoon because it's sunny, when we all told you it was dark twelve hours earlier.

He wasn't good earlier and he isn't great now.  He is just very effective in this scheme.

 

He's very good for where he is at in his development.  Makes plays when plays need to be made and unlike most young QBs he does a terrific job protecting the ball and not turning it over. The kid is a winner and he's taking us to the playoffs. 

17 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No one hates him lol

 A lot of us think we cant win in the playoffs with him, because you know, he cant throw in the middle of the field, cant throw to the left of the field, cant throw further than 15 yards. doesnt know how to read a defense. Has zero pocket awareness. But again, no one hates him. 

 

You're one of the people that very clearly hate him.  

 

But cool post, write a paragraph full of things that are flat out untrue and then say no one hates him. 

6 minutes ago, krzyroone07 said:

Fair points

Though I think that the game plan regardless of QB needed to be more balanced from the get go.  How we were using Sanders early on was ridiculous.  Most teams need balance.  That I would not put on Hurts

On that we agree completely. I don’t think Sirianni took this job with the expectation of having Hurts at the helm and he was trying to prove a point (or maybe even just test his theory) for the long term that Jalen isn’t the QB to run his preferred offense. 
 

but it was just crazy the offense he was trying to force through that QB. 
 

glad they adjusted and that games are now fun to watch but I believe that’s because he made his point about Hurts loud and clear. 
 

here’s a question…we talk about draft capital that we have now, but has Hurts proven enough for another team to trade a real asset for him?

30 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Exactly right. With Mailata and Dickerson, the defense has to load up on its right side, the offensive left. Which means they have to go light somewhere else, which as it turns out, is their left side - the offensive right.

This is not new.

But that is also why I said the Pass Protection level is a work in progress.  I like Driscoll.  He seems really smart but he is learning to play G.  I am not convinced he will ever have the junk in the trunk that makes him a great G, especially for catching a DT. That is why I said if Brooks can come back, the OL has a chance to be elite on the right side.  

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yesterday he was far better at not dancing in the backfield. He ran straight ahead, between the tackles and didn't dance. The only time he started dancing was when he was out in space, and that's exactly what you want. But as I noted above, the fumble and OOB issue are big ones. He's a weird guy to figure out. 

He didn't get tackled for a loss yesterday. Even when he had short carries, I think he was focused on just hitting the hole where the run was supposed to go.  He's a higher variance back but I think it's a mistake to say he's not reliable as a runner.  He's got elite speed and can break big runs.  When he catches the ball he's a threat in the open field.  I think he has good vision but it seems less than average because he's looks for home runs.  He has good contact balance.  He's not great catching the ball. He has ball security issues.  The reality is that if he gets 15 to 20 carries a game he's probably going to have 75 to 100 yards.  On the 2 big runs Howard had up the middle, I think Sanders has a chance of taking either of those to the house.  At the same time Howard forces the defense to tackle.  He's physically wearing in a way Sanders cannot be.  

2 minutes ago, krzyroone07 said:

Yea but how many QBs can do what he does with his legs?  We can point out flaws in all but a handful of QBs games.  
 

If the QB position was based on running, you’d have a point. But the thing he is best at should be a complimentary piece, not the bulk of the skillset. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

You're one of the people that very clearly hate him.  

 

But cool post, write a paragraph full of things that are flat out untrue and then say no one hates him. 

nothing he said about him in that paragraph was untrue. 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Now I don thave to keep wondering if Id prefer to sign a big possession guy, or a speed guy in free agency. Its gonna be speed. Big possession guy is not available.

Uhh Mike Williams? Ju Ju? Allen Robinson? Those guys feel like possession receivers to me. TBH, we are not ready to go after any big name free agents at the WR position. If we sign a big free agent it will be elsewhere.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You need a QB that can stretch the field.....go through progressions.....hit the requisite throws that most top tier QB's in the league can make.  You need that guy to be successful in the postseason and win games long term.  You also need that guy to stay healthy.........have we not learned in Philly what happens to running QB's?  

 

I am enjoying this kind of offense and winning some games.  But this is not sustainable for long term success.....(unless your idea of success is 8-10 wins and early postseason exits)

Ok great.  I don’t think we can write him off getting better at any of that or that we’re not over exaggerating the problem

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Moving forward with the run focused offense and a healthy Miles Sanders, I think they either need to dress all 4 RB or keep Gainwell active instead of Boston Scott.  Scott offers a very similar but not as bruising style as Howard whereas Gainwell brings a different dimension.  Will there be a way to take advantage of the RB passing game?

Why not try Gainwell out of the slot and as a WR out of the backfield. 

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Now I don thave to keep wondering if Id prefer to sign a big possession guy, or a speed guy in free agency. Its gonna be speed. Big possession guy is not available.

WRs who fit that mold still available: JuJu, Godwin, M. Williams, Pascal, Higgins. Adams of course can do this, but he's getting franchised.

Strawman...

You needed a big man to win in the NBA, until the Warriors proved otherwise.

If we are that good at running the ball and Hurts is good enough to take advantage of defenses that sell out against the run, why not?

 

Just making the argument.  Our defense isn't good enough to win in the playoffs right now.

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

He didn't get tackled for a loss yesterday. Even when he had short carries, I think he was focused on just hitting the hole where the run was supposed to go.  He's a higher variance back but I think it's a mistake to say he's not reliable as a runner.  He's got elite speed and can break big runs.  When he catches the ball he's a threat in the open field.  I think he has good vision but it seems less than average because he's looks for home runs.  He has good contact balance.  He's not great catching the ball. He has ball security issues.  The reality is that if he gets 15 to 20 carries a game he's probably going to have 75 to 100 yards.  On the 2 big runs Howard had up the middle, I think Sanders has a chance of taking either of those to the house.  At the same time Howard forces the defense to tackle.  He's physically wearing in a way Sanders cannot be.  

People talk about Sanders as if he is CJ Spiller. That guy was horrible. He might break one 80 yard run just about every game. But he was a net negative for the team on all the other drives where he was getting -2 yards a carry. 

Sanders doesnt lose yardage despite what idiots on philly radio probably told people. He consistently gains yardage even when there is trouble in the backfield. 

26 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No. Winning the Super Bowl is the goal. Be really bad and rebuild or be good enough to really have a shot. There is a difference between being a borderline playoff team and what the Eagles are now. They have zero shot of competing against the real contenders this year. 

The there are still good players they missed may have some validity but flawed as well. Lamb is better than Jefferson. 

I would argue what you should be hoping for is the Eagles continue to pound through weaker teams, finish 10-7, and see what happens in the playoffs.  If the worst thing that can happen is they lose 50-17 in a wildcard game, so be it.

Going 4-11-1 to 10-7 will lead to higher expectations for next season, they reach the ceiling faster, and if Hurts is holding the roster back with his play, then a decision to upgrade at QB happens more quickly.

Being really bad and following a 4-11-1 season with a 3-14 or 4-13 season only leads to a losing culture, zero continuity with coaching staff, and very little likelihood of the high draft picks you're alluding to ever reaching their potential -- see Lions, Jets, Giants, etc ... 

Losing and losing creates a very difficult cycle to emerge from.

 

10 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You need a QB that can stretch the field.....go through progressions.....hit the requisite throws that most top tier QB's in the league can make.  You need that guy to be successful in the postseason and win games long term.  You also need that guy to stay healthy.........have we not learned in Philly what happens to running QB's?  

 

I am enjoying this kind of offense and winning some games.  But this is not sustainable for long term success.....(unless your idea of success is 8-10 wins and early postseason exits)

Ah purgatory. Being able to beat the bad and mediocre teams. But not the top teams when it matters the most 

4 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

On that we agree completely. I don’t think Sirianni took this job with the expectation of having Hurts at the helm and he was trying to prove a point (or maybe even just test his theory) for the long term that Jalen isn’t the QB to run his preferred offense. 
 

but it was just crazy the offense he was trying to force through that QB. 
 

glad they adjusted and that games are now fun to watch but I believe that’s because he made his point about Hurts loud and clear. 
 

here’s a question…we talk about draft capital that we have now, but has Hurts proven enough for another team to trade a real asset for him?

I think Hurts would fetch back a 2nd.  The problem is he’s not what anyone envisions, which I think is loud and clear in this thread.  I believe he’s done enough to be the guy and build around him.  Others think differently which is fine.  

33 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

No. Winning the Super Bowl is the goal. Be really bad and rebuild or be good enough to really have a shot. There is a difference between being a borderline playoff team and what the Eagles are now. They have zero shot of competing against the real contenders this year. 

The there are still good players they missed may have some validity but flawed as well. Lamb is better than Jefferson. 

So you'd rather 53 guys not improve so we can get one better player.

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

what is funny? I have never said he was going to make the pro bowl, and never said that I thought he should. 

Yep. 

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

nothing he said about him in that paragraph was untrue. 

-We have seen him throw in the middle of the field. 

-We have seen him throw to the left of the field. 

-We have seen him throw further than 15 yards down the field. 

-For someone who can't read a defense he sure doesn't throw a lot of interceptions. 

-For someone with zero pocket awareness he sure doesn't take a lot of sacks. 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He's very good for where he is at in his development.  Makes plays when plays need to be made and unlike most young QBs he does a terrific job protecting the ball and not turning it over. The kid is a winner and he's taking us to the playoffs. 

Hurts has been playing within his limitations.

He's still a limited passer, yesterday Siriani dials up a deep shot to Smith and hurts holds clutches holds then takes off running, I have t seem the all 22 would be interested to see how covered or open he was but either way I don't think hurts trusts his arm on deep shots, he doesn't seem to trust the velocity of his passes on deep throws.

Another pass to reagor was a simple come back route on opposite side of hash, reagor threw it wildly wide and gave reagor zero chance to make a catch.

I think part of the reason reagor is t Target more is because his best routes are deep ones and hurts can't get him the ball.

Same with Watkins when was the last deep shot to him.

Eagles have a lot of speed at receiver and it's rarely used in my opinion because hurts struggles to throw the ball deep.

We'll see if this is something he can improve. As of now he's doing a good job with what he's asked to do in the confines of the offense and he protects the ball 

3 minutes ago, QBhunter58 said:

Uhh Mike Williams? Ju Ju? Allen Robinson? Those guys feel like possession receivers to me. TBH, we are not ready to go after any big name free agents at the WR position. If we sign a big free agent it will be elsewhere.

I thought maybe Sutton might not get that crazy number he just got.

Mike WIlliams is breaking out and will get overpaid for a small sample of success. 

Allen Robinson is an established star still in his 20s, who will get paid.

Maybe JuJu because he is pretty much a slot only guy. But I suspect he will get paid too.

 

I was trying not to shop off the very top shelf.

Of those 3, JuJu may be our most realitic opportunity. Maybe Gallup too.  But I think more likely will be someone like Chark, Cedrick Wilson, Trequan Smith,

Wouldnt be surprised to shop the bargain bin for a guy like Dede Westbrook, Emmanuel Sanders, Goodwin again, RayRay McCloud, St Brown, Valdez-Scantling, Tyrie Cleveland, Jakobi Myers

Theres a lot of speed guys that can be had for less.