2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Strawman...

You needed a big man to win in the NBA, until the Warriors proved otherwise.

If we are that good at running the ball and Hurts is good enough to take advantage of defenses that sell out against the run, why not?

 

Just making the argument.  Our defense isn't good enough to win in the playoffs right now.

I don’t think it is impossible but for sure a lot more difficult. There are always exceptions but then you’d better be dominant in the other areas. 
 

that’s one reason why I’d hold onto Hurts and build the rest of the team - especially the defense. A good draft could do a lot for that side of the ball in one offseason. 
 

By then, maybe he can become competent enough.  Maybe not but especially after Wentz, Watson, etc that can now just force their way out as they wish - let alone all the QBs that simply never pan out - I’m really uncomfortable pouring a lot of draft capital into that one position. 

id rather keep taking shots one draft pick at a time. 

While in general I am on board the move on from Boston Scott train......this is not the week for it. We all know why. 

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

WRs who fit that mold still available: JuJu, Godwin, M. Williams, Pascal, Higgins. Adams of course can do this, but he's getting franchised.

yeah. I dont think we are paying for Godwin or Adams. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Hurts has been playing within his limitations.

He's still a limited passer, yesterday Siriani dials up a deep shot to Smith and hurts holds clutches holds then takes off running, I have t seem the all 22 would be interested to see how covered or open he was but either way I don't think hurts trusts his arm on deep shots, he doesn't seem to trust the velocity of his passes on deep throws.

Another pass to reagor was a simple come back route on opposite side of hash, reagor threw it wildly wide and gave reagor zero chance to make a catch.

I think part of the reason reagor is t Target more is because his best routes are deep ones and hurts can't get him the ball.

Same with Watkins when was the last deep shot to him.

Eagles have a lot of speed at receiver and it's rarely used in my opinion because hurts struggles to throw the ball deep.

We'll see if this is something he can improve. As of now he's doing a good job with what he's asked to do in the confines of the offense and he protects the ball 

 

 

The last deep shot to Watkins was the one that hit him right in his hands in the endzone and he dropped against Denver. 

9 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

If the QB position was based on running, you’d have a point. But the thing he is best at should be a complimentary piece, not the bulk of the skillset. 

The problem is also that "his legs" interfere with his decisions on passing plays.  He's not true to the pocket and moves early (in often unpredictable ways)  The drift to the right side that causes late throws and gets the play off schedule.  Getting pinned and backfooting throws. 

There is a difference between a mobile QB and a running QB.  Hurts needs to make that transition or he will plateau.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah. I dont think we are paying for Godwin or Adams. 

Or Williams. And no thanks to JuJu, we have enough social media wannabe stars here already. And is that Rashard Higgins? No thanks to him too. 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

The last deep shot to Watkins was the one that hit him right in his hands in the endzone and he dropped against Denver. 

The throw to Sanders up the right sideline should have been an easy TD. Hurts throw was so bad the DB on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD was able to run across and knock it down. That's bad. 

3 hours ago, Swoop said:

Is this the worst take the board has ever seen? Genuinely asking.

It has to be a troll post 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

The last deep shot to Watkins was the one that hit him right in his hands in the endzone and he dropped against Denver. 

How many exceptions can you find to refute the larger point?  Not enough I’d guess. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Or Williams. And no thanks to JuJu, we have enough social media wannabe stars here already. And is that Rashard Higgins? No thanks to him too. 

The throw to Sanders up the right sideline should have been an easy TD. Hurts throw was so bad the DB on THE OTHER SIDE OF THE FIELD was able to run across and knock it down. That's bad. 

yeah Higgins had his 15 minutes of fame in a 1 and done season like 4 years ago. Not interested.

Juju seems to be injury prone too. He may be more affordable, but itd be for that reason. 

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I think part of the reason reagor is t Target more is because his best routes are deep ones and hurts can't get him the ball.

Same with Watkins when was the last deep shot to him.

Eagles have a lot of speed at receiver and it's rarely used in my opinion because hurts struggles to throw the ball deep.

We'll see if this is something he can improve. As of now he's doing a good job with what he's asked to do in the confines of the offense and he protects the ball 

Good points there.  Reagor and Watkins can definitely take the top off of the defense, but the passes were rarely in great position....now, they have just stopped trying.

I think he holds the ball too much on his rollout passes causing the whole play to break down and causes the receivers to break off and start to come back to him or find holes.  That is the game he used at OU that worked when your receivers were so much better than their defensive counterpart.  Now, that is all gone.

What we are seeing from Hurts is positive because it gives the Eagles the opportunity to be patient. It expands our options exponentially. Let's start with this -- I think you can win games with Hurts, but you can't win a Super Bowl with him due to his limitations as a passer. But he is an adequate starter for a given style.

What this means is the Eagles don't HAVE to find a QB this offseason. If none of the options in the draft are appealing, we can wait another year. If you can't swing a deal for a veteran you like, we can wait another year. Based on how Hurts looked earlier in the season, you almost HAD to use the 2022 draft capital on solving the QB situation. Now -- we can wait and improve the rest of the team instead of forcing a pick on a rookie. I still have my doubts that Howie and Jeff will be smart, but they should be very discriminating on the QB going forward since we don't have a black hole there. 

12 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Strawman...

You needed a big man to win in the NBA, until the Warriors proved otherwise.

If we are that good at running the ball and Hurts is good enough to take advantage of defenses that sell out against the run, why not?

 

Just making the argument.  Our defense isn't good enough to win in the playoffs right now.

Ravens are winning regular season games with Jackson and the strong run first team but they haven't won the SB yet

That was fast. 

13 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So you'd rather 53 guys not improve so we can get one better player.

Not what I'm saying and you know that.

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

yeah Higgins had his 15 minutes of fame in a 1 and done season like 4 years ago. Not interested.

Juju seems to be injury prone too. He may be more affordable, but itd be for that reason. 

I believe the eagles made a run for juju last offseason. So i don’t think he’d be out of the question. 

 

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

The last deep shot to Watkins was the one that hit him right in his hands in the endzone and he dropped against Denver. 

What was that a 30 yard pass?

Sure it's deep but it's not a throw that shows hurts has the arm to make deep throws with velocity that can beat defenses.

Hurts doesn't have a cannon for an arm like Vick McNabb or Wentz.

He's not fitting passes into tight windows or consistently getting the ball deep.

How many 40+ air yard passes does he have?

If I were to say McNabb wasnt the most accurate passer but had a cannon for an arm no one argues they realize his limitations.

Why is it whenever somebody says something critical and obvious about hurts all the hurts huggers jump to defend him.

It's ok to say hurts has played well and still doesn't show the ability to push the ball down the field, both can be true.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.....That's good enough for some apparently.  

The new norm?

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

That's fine. We would have paid him in that range anyway. Doesn't stop us from taking a LB in RD1 either.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

What we are seeing from Hurts is positive because it gives the Eagles the opportunity to be patient. It expands our options exponentially. Let's start with this -- I think you can win games with Hurts, but you can't win a Super Bowl with him due to his limitations as a passer. But he is an adequate starter for a given style.

What this means is the Eagles don't HAVE to find a QB this offseason. If none of the options in the draft are appealing, we can wait another year. If you can't swing a deal for a veteran you like, we can wait another year. Based on how Hurts looked earlier in the season, you almost HAD to use the 2022 draft capital on solving the QB situation. Now -- we can wait and improve the rest of the team instead of forcing a pick on a rookie. I still have my doubts that Howie and Jeff will be smart, but they should be very discriminating on the QB going forward since we don't have a black hole there. 

I think they should look to move on from Hurts for the simple fact that we have the weapons that a QB who is a better passer can utilize. Why waste them? I'm not saying to use a pick to draft one but I think they should look to find a vet who is a better passer until they find their franchise QB

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

I was wondering yesterday what his contract looked like and when it was up. Looks like he was on the final year of his deal so good to make the move now. He's earned it.

Just now, RLC said:

That's fine. We would have paid him in that range anyway. Doesn't stop us from taking a LB in RD1 either.

With Edwards and Taylor as fixed assets for 2022?  I'd say maybe it does ....

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

What we are seeing from Hurts is positive because it gives the Eagles the opportunity to be patient. It expands our options exponentially. Let's start with this -- I think you can win games with Hurts, but you can't win a Super Bowl with him due to his limitations as a passer. But he is an adequate starter for a given style.

What this means is the Eagles don't HAVE to find a QB this offseason. If none of the options in the draft are appealing, we can wait another year. If you can't swing a deal for a veteran you like, we can wait another year. Based on how Hurts looked earlier in the season, you almost HAD to use the 2022 draft capital on solving the QB situation. Now -- we can wait and improve the rest of the team instead of forcing a pick on a rookie. I still have my doubts that Howie and Jeff will be smart, but they should be very discriminating on the QB going forward since we don't have a black hole there. 

Hurts is a trap to a degree. If you improve the team and they do better will they have the stones to move on knowing he isn't the guy? How will they get a good young QB later in the first round in another  year? The only option would have to be a vet at that point. 

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That was fast. 

He should send Siemian a gift basket lol

4 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

Good points there.  Reagor and Watkins can definitely take the top off of the defense, but the passes were rarely in great position....now, they have just stopped trying.

I think he holds the ball too much on his rollout passes causing the whole play to break down and causes the receivers to break off and start to come back to him or find holes.  That is the game he used at OU that worked when your receivers were so much better than their defensive counterpart.  Now, that is all gone.

He definitely holds the ball too long 

Even in Smith's catch and run across the middle he initially had Smith open over the middle yet he held the ball then rolled out made a more difficult throw on the move and while it ended being a positive play as Smith picked up a bunch of yac just make the simple play.

I've been pleased with the way hurts has played since Siri has decided to be a run focused offense and I still think there are more opportunities in the passing game that hurts is just missing , either holding the ball too long leaving pocket too early or not stepping up In it or just not pulling the trigger on plays that are there to made because he doesn't trust his arm.

I'm with the opinion that it's not sustainable in the long run, at some point he'll have to make big throws from the pocket on a consistent basis to have more success than a playoff exit.