9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol Hurts would come screaming back after dealing with Hawks Oline

Yeah but Pete wants to run the ball and control the game that way. Let Russ make a couple big plays when they need too. Go back to last year the first eight games of the year Russell Wilson was a league MVP candidate because they were allowing him to throw the ball and air it out. as the year continued on the Seahawks morphed into more balanced and running attack type team. This year before Russ and Chris Carson got hurt they were mixing it up with him and Alex Collins. the running blocking wasn’t their big issue. The problem is pass protection. 

41 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Impossible!

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Would the division race be a thing if DAL loses at home to the Raiders on Thursday?

They'd have four losses.  We have six.  Our AFC records would be identical.

They would have to lose to any team other than Arizona to make week 18 relevant (assuming we win our next five).

We would have the tie breaker on division or common opponents.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Lowie never got over missing on Russel Wilson.  That’s the entire reason they reached for Hurts in the first place.  They’ll never trade Hurts to the coach and franchise that developed Russel Wilson.  

I don’t see them trade him because I don’t think they’re gonna be able to acquire the quarterback they truly covet. I don’t know how they feel about any of these draft prospects but veteran quarterbacks I don’t think they’re gonna be able to acquire the one they really want.

13 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

That pass was about 48ish yards in the air.  That was a deep throw with velocity that beat the defense.  

 

He is fitting the pass into tight windows.  I don't have an exact number but he does have a few 40+ air yard passes this season.  

 

The "fans" in this thread are growing increasingly delirious with the unrealistic expectations of Hurts needing to be perfect on every throw every game the more and more that Hurts continues to develop, play well and win.  It has been clear as day all throughout the offseason that so many here were rooting against Hurts and did not want him to be the QB, no matter what he does.  And now we are seeing that to be the truth and his continues to play his way into being the QB again next year.  

 

What weaknesses do you think Hurts has? 

5 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

That pass was about 48ish yards in the air.  That was a deep throw with velocity that beat the defense.  

 

He is fitting the pass into tight windows.  I don't have an exact number but he does have a few 40+ air yard passes this season.  

 

The "fans" in this thread are growing increasingly delirious with the unrealistic expectations of Hurts needing to be perfect on every throw every game the more and more that Hurts continues to develop, play well and win.  It has been clear as day all throughout the offseason that so many here were rooting against Hurts and did not want him to be the QB, no matter what he does.  And now we are seeing that to be the truth and his continues to play his way into being the QB again next year.  

 

I was clear from day 1 this season that I was willing to give hurts a chance before I buried him, encouraged after week 1 discouraged until Siri decided to turn the offense over to the running game and use hurts as a RB who throws occasionally.

Having said that hurts has his limitations as a passer and it's pretty obvious to me at least.

I like that hurts is a high character dude and his teammates fight  along side him and for him, I like that he's protected the ball this year and that his accuracy at times has improved, he's made some high level Intermediate  passes to Goedert this year that were just on the money.

I like that his pocket presence is getting better that he's not bailing as quickly and will occasionally step up in it.

I think he's still a one read qb and if it's not there his first instinct is to roll out extend the play or take off running.

I think he's shown over an over again that he doesn't have the arm to consistently beat defenders deep.

Maybe this is an area he can improve, Tom Brady didn't always have the biggest arm either but it got stronger over the years with adjusting throwing motion and such, same with brees.so it's not out of the realm of possibility.

I'm fine with hurts for now, Im back in the let him grow and improve train where as before Siri turned to the running game I was ready to throw hurts from the train.

We'll see what happens, he has room for improvement in alot of areas, he's still young and he works hard and is a work on progress not sure his ceiling is high enough for him to be the long term answer to going forward 

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

What weaknesses do you think Hurts has? 

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

They'd have four losses.  We have six.  Our AFC records would be identical.

They would have to lose to the any team other than Arizona to make week 17 relevant (assuming we win our next five).

We would have the tie breaker on division or common opponents.

Really don’t see the cowboys going worse than 3-2 in that stretch. I also don’t see the raiders winning that game Thursday. yesterday they looked like they are on the verge of an implosion.   The one thing Vegas has going for them is that lamb and cooper might be out but the raiders run defense is bad. They are 4th worse in the league. So I’m guessing it’s a heavy dose of pollard and zeke. 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Really don’t see the cowboys going worse than 3-2 in that stretch. I also don’t see the raiders winning that game Thursday. yesterday they looked like they are on the verge of an implosion.   The one thing Vegas has going for them is that lamb and cooper might be out but the raiders run defense is bad. They are 4th worse in the league. So I’m guessing it’s a heavy dose of pollard and zeke. 

Eh the way this season has gone, it's all a toss up now. Washington could split with them, Zona will depend on their health...

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

They'd have four losses.  We have six.  Our AFC records would be identical.

They would have to lose to any team other than Arizona to make week 18 relevant (assuming we win our next five).

We would have the tie breaker on division or common opponents.

It is quite unlikely, under normal circumstances.  

We are talking about a DAL team that just got shut down by the vaunted Chiefs defense, and was getting whitewashed by DEN 30-0, though.

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

What weaknesses do you think Hurts has? 

 

Inexperience, just as any other young QB.   He uses the right side of the field as a crutch at this point in his career but that is something that with further development and comfort within the system will improve.  Beyond that he has all the tools and intangibles to be great.  He's a natural leader that guys play for.  He just needs to continue his path to development and he will only continue to get better and more polished as a passer.   He's only 23 years old so he has a long way to go before he even approaches his ceiling as a player.   

 

One of his most impressive plays yesterday was one that didn't even count due to a penalty.  Down in the redzone he scrambled and bought time and was able to find Goedert in a tight window in the endzone.  That is the next step of his development that is only going to continue to improve the more he plays.  It's the dynamic danger of his arm and his legs to buy time to find guys to pass the ball to that makes players like Wilson, Dak, Mahomes & Allen so dangerous.  

8 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Sorry, I just wanted to interrupt the argument and post this again.

 

 

Yup, Kelce has been doing this for years, in my opinion it's why the eagles dont carry a FB because on plays like this Kelce is  essentially filling the same role as a lead FB.

 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

He's very good for where he is at in his development.  Makes plays when plays need to be made and unlike most young QBs he does a terrific job protecting the ball and not turning it over. The kid is a winner and he's taking us to the playoffs. 

At the same time, there were the 2 drives where they settled for field goals. He had multiple pass plays where he had all-day to throw and didn't.  An above-average passing QB makes defenses pay. He's not at that level and there's a question if he will get to that level.  I mean Tyrod Taylor is a winning QB as well. He's not an above average starter. He's a back up QB.  Hurts needs to progress as a passer.  I don't know if he will.  I certainly think it's possible but I wouldn't go as far as saying it's likely.  The problem is going to be that his effectiveness as a runner has a shorter span than his passing will.  I would rather he be given another season at this point. I would be surprised if we look like a contender with him at QB next season.  

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Inexperience, just as any other young QB.   He uses the right side of the field as a crutch at this point in his career but that is something that with further development and comfort within the system will improve.  Beyond that he has all the tools and intangibles to be great.  He's a natural leader that guys play for.  He just needs to continue his path to development and he will only continue to get better and more polished as a passer.   He's only 23 years old so he has a long way to go before he even approaches his ceiling as a player.   

 

One of his most impressive plays yesterday was one that didn't even count due to a penalty.  Down in the redzone he scrambled and bought time and was able to find Goedert in a tight window in the endzone.  That is the next step of his development that is only going to continue to improve the more he plays.  It's the dynamic danger of his arm and his legs to buy time to find guys to pass the ball to that makes players like Wilson, Dak, Mahomes & Allen so dangerous.  

So we were just criticizing the throw to Sanders, which was after he was able "to buy time to find guys", but didn't have the arm strength like "Wilson, Dak, Mahomes & Allen" to finish the play.

 

Please just give us the sense that you are at least attempting to be consistent.

16 minutes ago, Penn7980 said:

Agree that Hurts holds the ball too long.  When he rolls out to the sidelines, the extended play do not give him better options and ends up throwing the ball away.  He also trusts his running more than his throws or receivers.  His high running number shows that tendency.  Siri put in more run plays with RBs helps the team winning games as well as Hurts not to do too much. 

 

Yup I could do without so many designed qb run plays, hurts runs enough in rpos and in designed pass plays no need to have a designed qb draw or sweep for him, seems unnecessary, but hey it's working so...🤷‍♂️

Just now, Utebird said:

Yup I could do without so many designed qb run plays, hurts runs enough in rpos and in designed pass plays no need to have a designed qb draw or sweep for him, seems unnecessary, but hey it's working so...🤷‍♂️

You need to show the QB run enough times to keep the read defender honest.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

You need to show the QB run enough times to keep the read defender honest.

Well sure on an RPO but at some point having designed qb runs like sweeps and draws just seems redundant.

Then again it's working so far, it's a lot like what Baltimore does with Lamar except he's more explosive but still same concept.

Maybe I'd be ok with the designed qb runs if hurts wasn't running so much in designed pass plays 

55 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That was fast. 

Figured he was next up.  An RFA next season, IIRC.   Wouldn’t be surprised to see a similar move with Scott, if for no other reason than to piss off some of the folks in here. A deal with Singleton wouldn’t surprise me either.  

24 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

It wasn't though.  If the defender doesn't make a great play there that is a completed pass.  A poorly thrown ball is one that would not have been completed or would have been intercepted.  

That's not true at all. There are lots and lots of poorly thrown passes that turn out to be completions. 

15 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Eh the way this season has gone, it's all a toss up now. Washington could split with them, Zona will depend on their health...

Maybe Washington does  i really don’t see it though.  I tend to think Dallas will beat them in both games. Dallas has 3 losses. 2 on the road to KC who’s 7-4 and tampa who’s 6-3. The bad loss was the Broncos. I tend to think Dallas is going to beat down Washington, giants and Washington stretch. I would have said the Saints had a good shot if Alvin Kamara is playing and it wasn’t Trevor Siemian at quarterback. There’s a reason why the last three weeks in the fourth quarter Trevor Siemian has been down 18, 11 and 26. siemian is the quarterback you don’t want playing against Dallas’ defense because Dallas is opportunistic with turnovers and he is a turnover machine. 

I’d also say the Cowboys defense was not the problem yesterday. They held the Chiefs to 19 points. The Raiders offense the last couple weeks has been bad. The giants held them to 16. The chiefs held them to 14. And the bengals held them to 13. I think Dallas has a better defense than all three of those teams. The raiders feel like a team that’s going to implode. I also see the saints going down that road. 3 of the next 4 games for the saints are bills, Dallas and Bucs and a game against the jets. The saints could be 6-8 in a couple weeks. They finish with Miami, Carolina and at atlanta. I don’t see them winning all 3 of those. Good chance they finish 8-9. 7-10 isn’t out of the question. 

40 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

If the Eagles like a QB in the draft or find a good deal for a vet, I think they still pull the trigger. Hurts has been serviceable, but he isn’t showing franchise QB traits. He’s a very good back-up/spot starter. 

My worry is Roseman falls in love with a QB he shouldn't or Wilson is available.  I think the team would be over drafting a prospect vs. what they have at this point.  The team needs to get better on defense.  They have a chance to do that in this draft in way they won't in the future. 

42 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 That was just a great play by the DB.  

The QB ran around like this before making that throw: 

20 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

So we were just criticizing the throw to Sanders, which was after he was able "to buy time to find guys", but didn't have the arm strength like "Wilson, Dak, Mahomes & Allen" to finish the play.

 

Please just give us the sense that you are at least attempting to be consistent.

 

We weren't criticizing his throw to Sanders.  You were.  I don't hold him to the same ridiculous expectations of perfection every throw.  The safety made a terrific defensive play.  If that safety did not make a terrific defensive play then that would have been a completion.  This wasn't a play where he has a wide open receiver and threw a wildly inaccurate pass that never had a chance of being completed.  

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe Washington does  i really don’t see it though.  I tend to think Dallas will beat them in both games. Dallas has 3 losses. 2 on the road to KC who’s 7-4 and tampa who’s 6-3. The bad loss was the Broncos. I tend to think Dallas is going to beat down Washington, giants and Washington stretch. I would have said the Saints had a good shot if Alvin Kamara is playing and it wasn’t Trevor Siemian at quarterback. There’s a reason why the last three weeks in the fourth quarter Trevor Siemian has been down 18, 11 and 26. siemian is the quarterback you don’t want playing against Dallas’ defense because Dallas is opportunistic with turnovers and he is a turnover machine. 

If this was any other team.. But Dallas? They’ll probably find a way to implode again.

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

We weren't criticizing his throw to Sanders.  You were.  I don't hold him to the same ridiculous expectations of perfection every throw.  The safety made a terrific defensive play.  If that safety did not make a terrific defensive play then that would have been a completion.  This wasn't a play where he has a wide open receive and threw a wildly inaccurate pass that never had a chance of being completed.  

No I was criticizing it too. So it was we. And there was more than the two of us criticizing it. It's ok to say he made a very poor throw on that play. He's not gonna hate you for life if you say that. It was a bad throw by Hurts, coupled with a great play and hustle by the defender. A better throw and Sanders could've cartwheeled into the end zone.