9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You're a clown. How could anybody have any discussion with you when you refuse to be objective at all? 

 

Can't be objective with clowns that are obsessive in finding whatever ticky tack thing they can to criticize Hurts over to try and legitimize their bias against him as he continues to win with the offense looking better and better as the season goes on.  

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Unlikely the cowpads have either Cooper or Lamb on Thursday.  

I get That. Raiders are 4th worse in the league against the run. I tend to think their gameplan is to lean heavily on zeke and pollard in that game.
 

I also don’t see the Raiders putting up a lot of points in that game. They’ve averaged 15 points per game in the last three games against giants, KC and bengals. I think Dallas has a better defense in the Giants, Kansas City and Cincinnati. I think they’re gonna create turnovers in this game because Derek Carr has not protected the ball very well in the last three games. 

5 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

IMO jordan howard should be in the conversation for an extension , playing great and is great 1 - 2 punch

Depends on how they signed him off the PS.  Not unusual for those to be two,year contracts. 

Okay, now that I've seen the throw to Sanders posted, I'll throw in my 2 cents:

-- an advanced QB likely would have spotted the mismatch with Sanders and anticipating him beating coverage and coming open, but I won't beat Hurts up for not anticipating it would happen

-- Hurts stepped up to run out of a clean pocket again; this is what drives some people nuts.  Not good

-- When the run lane gets closed, Hurts runs backward and circles instead of taking his normal drop again while keeping his eyes downfield.  Even less good.

-- As Hurts rolls to his right there are a lot of wasted steps before he sees Sanders open; then he throws on the run rather than planting and firing to the open man.  Quite bad

 

How anyone could argue that this is anything other than a poor play by the QB -- probably not a constructive use of time to even discuss it.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm not buying that.  Doesn't seem that the Saints are so foolish as to make the right side of the field easier for Hurts to throw the ball to.  Just doesn't make sense.  

Already addressed that. The Saints had to load their defensive right side because of Mailata and Dickerson. They shifted their LBs to their right and walked up the safety. The other safety shifted towards the middle of the field. All those moves softened their defensive left side.

17 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Don't hold him to ridiculously high standards like getting the ball to a wide open guy before the safety can cross the entire field to make a pbu. 

 

Yeah jeez.  Everyone knows the top QBs never have their passes broken up by defenders making great plays from time to time.  We need to all just recognize what a bum Hurts is.  

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay, now that I've seen the throw to Sanders posted, I'll throw in my 2 cents:

-- an advanced QB likely would have spotted the mismatch with Sanders and anticipating him beating coverage and coming open, but I won't beat Hurts up for not anticipating it would happen

-- Hurts stepped up to run out of a clean pocket again; this is what drives some people nuts.  Not good

-- When the run lane gets closed, Hurts runs backward and circles instead of taking his normal drop again while keeping his eyes downfield.  Even less good.

-- As Hurts rolls to his right there are a lot of wasted steps before he sees Sanders open; then he throws on the run rather than planting and firing to the open man.  Quite bad

 

How anyone could argue that this is anything other than poor QB play -- probably not a constructive use of time to even discuss it.

When the All-22 is up I’ll take a look and hopefully see something.

10 minutes ago, Infam said:

Yawn. Every Year the same. They won’t win anything.

Where did i say they were winning anything? The schedule is set up pretty right now for them to win the division. You want to talk about the Eagles having an easy schedule that is not a very hard schedule besides the Cardinals. The raiders have lost 3 in a row and imploding, siemian is starting for the saints, we get the same Washington and giants teams. 

This is the throw to Sanders.... This is great protection...

This is literally the next second... he's been staring to his left... and it's not there, immediately, his eyes drop to the 'rush' and he looks to run...

There is nothing good happening at this moment....

It gets worse...

There's still NO REASON to leave the pocket... but he does...

And now he's run himself into 'pressure'... where he makes this 40 yard throw to Sanders, about 3 seconds later than he likely should have...

 

 

I don't expect perfection from Hurts... I expect that he's learning and not making the same mistakes.  We've seen this EXACT same running around in a circle within the pocket before.  It's not good.   He runs himself out of the pocket and into the pressure from the DE... he took his eyes off the rush, and likely only put his eyes back down field when he realized he likely couldn't beat both the DE and DT to the edge... This was not a good play by the QB by any measurement.  

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

When the All-22 is up I’ll take a look and hopefully see something.

I'm interested in a play in the first half, but now can't recall exactly when it happened. Hurts was looking deep, I think he had Smith in mind, but instead pulled it down and I think ran with it. Even the announcers noted he was looking to throw a bomb but seemed to check out of it. If I had the All 22 I'd look, but us Canadians are banned for some reason. Do you mind taking a look at that play? I'll try and find out when it happened, but maybe somebody else in here can help as well. 

Some of you would not like rooting for Mahomes, Allen or Wilson.

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Howard > Gainwell > Sanders > Scott 

In my opinion.  Howard is a legit NFL back, Gainwell looks like a more polished Sanders and needs more snaps, Sanders is what he is and that is a very inconsistent back with talent, and Scott is a tryhard who will miss some big plays but wont make a ton of errors

  
 

The Gainwell, who has barely sniffed the field and was inactive this week, is better than Sanders and Scott?  On what basis?  Potential?  I like Gainwell, but this is hyperbole.  Sanders is the starter.  I like Howard but he is pretty one dimensional.  Now he is damned good, when healthy, at that one dimension.  Nice big back, between the tackles change of pace. Both Howard and Scott have good vision for the hole. Gainwell doesn’t, yet. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I'm interested in a play in the first half, but now can't recall exactly when it happened. Hurts was looking deep, I think he had Smith in mind, but instead pulled it down and I think ran with it. Even the announcers noted he was looking to throw a bomb but seemed to check out of it. If I had the All 22 I'd look, but us Canadians are banned for some reason. Do you mind taking a look at that play? I'll try and find out when it happened, but maybe somebody else in here can help as well. 

I know the play you mean. It looked at first glance like the deep guys were covered but I could be wrong. I’ll let you know, hopefully with screen shots

10 minutes ago, Infam said:

And you decide what is objective? Or BLG does?

The fun part is we will all see him succeed, like it or not.

Sky is the limit for him, I can see it too.

yeah, hurts haters arent looking at the big picture, if you look at the bad teams, they dont make the small plays, they always make the gunslinger plays, which either causes more three and outs or ints, which is why the eagles were so bad with wentz, he kept looking for the big play instead of making the small plays.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Some of you would not like rooting for Mahomes, Allen or Wilson.

 

No one here would have been able to handle Josh Allen's first two seasons.  

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Where did I say that?  I see him as a young promising developing QB who is improving.   

You said he has no weaknesses.  Isn’t that the perfect qb?  Or if inexperience is the only issue, then he’s the perfect qb prospect.

23 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I disagree. Denver is not a good team, they had some wins early in the year over truly horrific teams. But losing 30-0 to them, at home, it doesn't really get too much worse IMO. 

I think some of that Denver game comes down to the fact that Dak Prescott had barely practice and didn’t play a game for 21 days. That matters. You saw Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson last week in Green Bay struggle because neither one of them got to really play a game in over two weeks and very minimal practice time for Aaron Rodgers leading up to that game. It’s not entirely the reason but it had an affect on that game. 

If you asked me which team was better today between the Raiders and the Broncos, I’d take the Broncos. The raiders after ruggs have been bad on offense. 15ppg is bad. And their defense is trash on top of that. I think the Broncos are the epitome of what an average team is. I think the Raiders are a below average team after that Henry Ruggs incident. I’m not sure they’re gonna be able to recover from that. Not only that they were already dealing with the Gruden situation

dallas worse loss is Denver. Meanwhile the Bucs lost to Washington and a siemian led saints. Packers were annihilated by the saints. Rams have been destroyed in every loss they’ve had. Besides the cardinals almost every nfc contender has losses leaving you scratching your head 

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay, now that I've seen the throw to Sanders posted, I'll throw in my 2 cents:

-- an advanced QB likely would have spotted the mismatch with Sanders and anticipating him beating coverage and coming open, but I won't beat Hurts up for not anticipating it would happen

-- Hurts stepped up to run out of a clean pocket again; this is what drives some people nuts.  Not good

-- When the run lane gets closed, Hurts runs backward and circles instead of taking his normal drop again while keeping his eyes downfield.  Even less good.

-- As Hurts rolls to his right there are a lot of wasted steps before he sees Sanders open; then he throws on the run rather than planting and firing to the open man.  Quite bad

 

How anyone could argue that this is anything other than poor QB play -- probably not a constructive use of time to even discuss it.

I think the disconnect is that the pass itself, if you ignore everything before hand, doesn't look terrible. Had decent velocity and was right to Sanders, albeit a bit more zip or a bit more leading Sanders to the end zone and it's likely a completion, but still required a helluva play by the DB.

The issue is that the moment you look at the leadup to the pass and the mechanics of the throw it gets real ugly real fast. Not a pass I'd crucify him for if he made it standing tall in the pocket and making a read, or even if he got flushed from the pocket. But running around in circles then throwing on the run for no reason?  Then yeah that's an issue. 

4 minutes ago, RLC said:

Some of you would not like rooting for Mahomes, Allen or Wilson.

I like rooting for TDs, and I'm 95% confident Mahomes, Allen and Wilson would have thrown a TD pass to Sanders -- even if they reproduced all of the other errors up to the throw.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You said he has no weaknesses.  Isn’t that the perfect qb?  Or if inexperience is the only issue, then he’s the perfect qb prospect.

He is a perfect QB prospect. Yeah ok, signed.

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay, now that I've seen the throw to Sanders posted, I'll throw in my 2 cents:

-- an advanced QB likely would have spotted the mismatch with Sanders and anticipating him beating coverage and coming open, but I won't beat Hurts up for not anticipating it would happen

-- Hurts stepped up to run out of a clean pocket again; this is what drives some people nuts.  Not good

-- When the run lane gets closed, Hurts runs backward and circles instead of taking his normal drop again while keeping his eyes downfield.  Even less good.

-- As Hurts rolls to his right there are a lot of wasted steps before he sees Sanders open; then he throws on the run rather than planting and firing to the open man.  Quite bad

 

How anyone could argue that this is anything other than poor QB play -- probably not a constructive use of time to even discuss it.

Sanders isn’t the primary, Smith is.  Smith sees Sanders open and points that out to Hurts, who  then sees Sanders and makes a pretty good throw.  Sanders made a mistake that many inexperienced receivers make and waited for the ball, instead of stepping up into the throw. That allowed the DB to close on the ball and make a spectacular play.  Could Hurts have thrown it better?  Should Hurts have stayed in the pocket?  Yes, but not "quite bad”.   What is quite good is Smith’s recognition. 

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

  
 

The Gainwell, who has barely sniffed the field and was inactive this week, is better than Sanders and Scott?  On what basis?  Potential?  I like Gainwell, but this is hyperbole.  Sanders is the starter.  I like Howard but he is pretty one dimensional.  Now he is damned good, when healthy, at that one dimension.  Nice big back, between the tackles change of pace. Both Howard and Scott have good vision for the hole. Gainwell doesn’t, yet. 

Yes. IMO Gainwell is more talented than both of them, but hes a rookie so hes sitting.  Just a matter of time before Sanders and Scott are both gone and we all know it

Sanders is a repeat fumbler who consistently misses holes and bounces runs outside for no reason.  He is inconsistent at literally everything.

Scott is a JAG.  He just is 

Ill take Howards "one dimension" over back breaking fumbles, poor vision, and scared run ing any day of the week. 

Im done waiting for Sanders, hes a backup RB and we all just need to acknowledge that

 

Regardless of what you think of him, I really don't see the Eagles moving on from Hurts this coming year outside of an epic collapse.  Given the QB class this year and the age of the FAs I'm not going to be too upset about it, even if I still don't think Hurts is the guy. 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I like the receiving of Gainwell, but you’re way off on those rankings.  

Feel free to list yours

Im 100% on board with activating Gainwell and giving him Scotts touches, and demoting Sanders.  Im done with him, bye

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

My worry is Roseman falls in love with a QB he shouldn't or Wilson is available.  I think the team would be over drafting a prospect vs. what they have at this point.  The team needs to get better on defense.  They have a chance to do that in this draft in way they won't in the future. 

Yeah, that's not ideal. Their options are kind of limited. Over drafting in a weak class, trading for someone older when they need to be spending those picks to improve the defense, or wait it out with Hurts and hang in that average range which isn't good enough to win or get high enough for a good QB.