2 minutes ago, greend said:

I didn't know ogres had several layers

At first he hated nerds and was violent towards them. He was your typical jock in the Alpha Beta fraternity. But soon enough, after being saved from drowning he realized he’s not so different from the nerds after all and became friends with them, eventually joining the Lambadas. 
 

If that’s not layers I don’t know what is 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

This is what has me the most concerned... this contact with Jenkins is completely unnecessary.  As the screen shows, it was 3rd and 2 at the 25.  He could have easily just slid at the 7 or 8, or headed to the sideline.  This was an unnecessary hit and the kind of thing that's just foolish for a QB to do, even one that's 'built different' (as someone said).  

17 rushing attempts is far far too many in my mind to be acceptable long term for an NFL QB.  Yes, he might be able to protect himself and see a hit coming many times, but there are other times he won't.  And its just not a great idea to expose him like that, especially if he's not going to be smarter than taking on a tackler like this once he's gotten the first down and already got a big play.  What's the downside of sliding at the 8 and getting only a 17 yard gain on 3rd and 2, versus taking the hit to secure an extra 3 yards.   

While I share your trepidation about Hurts getting hit, I would argue that this hit...

...is less dangerous than this one:

The first he can see coming and he curls himself up to protect himself. The second he sees coming but he can't protect himself. That's the QB's lot and where most of the QB injuries occur.

On all the other running plays, including the sneaks, he avoids the collision. On the sneaks it's a lot of pushing and shoving but no collisions. On the keepers he gets down under the tacklers, as he did on the slide. The runs out of bounds are not called runs. They count as runs on the stat sheet, as do the kneel-downs at the end of the game, and he doesn't get hit on any of those at all.

I'll put up the second half runs in a bit but my argument basically stands. He took two hits in the half and one was in the pocket.

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

While I share your trepidation about Hurts getting hit, I would argue that this hit...

...is less dangerous than this one:

 

The first he can see coming and he curls himself up to protect himself. The second he sees coming but he can't protect himself. That's the QB's lot and where most of the QB injuries occur.

On all the other running plays, including the sneaks, he avoids the collision. On the sneaks it's a lot of pushing and shoving but no collisions. On the keepers he gets down under the tacklers, as he did on the slide. The runs out of bounds are not called runs. They count as runs on the stat sheet, as do the kneel-down at the end of the game, and he doesn't get hit on any of those at all.

I'll put up the second half runs in a bit but my argument basically stands. He took two hits in the half and one was in the pocket.

I don't disagree with those two in terms of violence, however... one was necessary to make a play... the other was completely unnecessary.  The play was already made on the run.  The hit was superfluous.

4 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

funny how quick we've forgotten about the 6ers. No Ben to Bash, not winning with Jojo out. No one wants Ben so theyre not gonna get better anytime soon.

Settle in as the 6th or 7th seed with a first round loss.

You have a recency bias.  They are currently playing with their backups as starters.  In last night's win no Embiid, no Harris, no Green, no Curry, and no Simmons.  Niang is a substantial upgrade over Mike Scott.  Maxey, Milton, Korkmaz, Thybulle and Drummond are a solid bench ... and they are becoming more and more solid with all the playing time they are currently getting.  I personally am at the point where the value that Morey might get for Simmons probably ought to be high draft picks.   

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Grabbing Humphrey at 37 (which I expected, as he was my top rated OL in that draft) would have accomplished the same feat without the same risk.  Generally, centers and guards aren't first round picks and the elite ones aren't only top 20 picks, so please don't pretend that they are.  The top of the draft OL are generally always OT, specifically LT.  Taking an OL in the top 10 that's not a LT is generally not a smart pick either...because 'elite' interior OL can be found all over the draft.  (Johnson is an exception, because he had LT skills, but wasn't needed to flip to the left side.  If he had been a more traditional 'RT' type, who is a much better run blocker and a bit more of a liability in pass pro, he'd have been a bad choice at #4 overall.) 

That's why Indy used #8 on Nelson?

I am the captain of the anti-running QB bandwagon, but injuries are not one of the reasons.  Generally speaking, hits in the pocket are more dangerous with less ability to protect yourself.  

Running backs are always injured because of leaping into the scrum, which is something that even running QB's don't do. 

Granted, just running through Eagles-relevant history:  Wentz got hurt running downfield, the NFCCG against Vick and the Falcons...Vick got his bell rung leaping into the end zone and was out of sync for the rest of the game.  

2 anecdotes though.  I don't think there is too much evidence to support that running QB's get hurt more often.  Evidence that they are less effective and less successful?  Plenty of that.

 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

You have a recency bias.  They are currently playing with their backups as starters.  In last night's win no Embiid, no Harris, no Green, no Curry, and no Simmons.  Niang is a substantial upgrade over Mike Scott.  Maxey, Milton, Korkmaz, Thybulle and Drummond are a solid bench ... and they are becoming more and more solid with all the playing time they are currently getting.  I personally am at the point where the value that Morey might get for Simmons probably ought to be high draft picks.   

Yep. What it all boils down to is, if you make the playoffs, you have played 82 games to get one extra home game in a given series. It's nice to have but it didn't help last year, when we lost two home games against Atlanta.

1 hour ago, WentzFan11 said:

 

Time might be running out on Karen Judge.

Giants just got better

Meanwhile, Hurts is now #17 in QBR, #17 in ANY/A.

Wentz is 12th and 13th.

Mac Jones 19th/22nd

1st rd picks below Hurts

Burrow 21/14

Tannehill 14/27

Mayfield 27/19

D Jones 26/26

Darnold 29/30

Lawrence 30/29

Wilson 32/34

Goff 33/28

Fields 34/33

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

At first he hated nerds and was violent towards them. He was your typical jock in the Alpha Beta fraternity. But soon enough, after being saved from drowning he realized he’s not so different from the nerds after all and became friends with them, eventually joining the Lambadas. 
 

If that’s not layers I don’t know what is 

Not Ogre.

 

 

 

ogres.

49 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Bacarty Hot Take incoming....

*IF* The Eagles end up flirting with or making the Playoffs... Nick Siranni is your coach of the year. 

Flirting with I mean playing a really meaningful game week 17 or week 18

They've had some inexcusable losses but my guess would be Mike Vrabel unless Tennessee just falls out of the top 2 spots in the AFC. 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Meanwhile, Hurts is now #17 in QBR, #17 in ANY/A.

Wentz is 12th and 13th.

Mac Jones 19th/22nd

1st rd picks below Hurts

Burrow 21/14

Tannehill 14/27

Mayfield 27/19

D Jones 26/26

Darnold 29/30

Lawrence 30/29

Wilson 32/34

Goff 33/28

Fields 34/33

Call me when he completes more than 20 passes and we win

4 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Ideally the 3 first round picks in the upcoming draft would be used to replace Barnett (DE), McLeod (S), and either Nelson at CB or a rotational DT as Cox gets phased out.

I can't argue with that approach.  How do you use Day Two picks (44th and 75th currently), more Defense?  Do you wait until Day Three to address Center?

4 hours ago, Original Sin said:

Run game goes through Hurts. , he is responsible for 620 of the 1600 total yards rushing , and 8 of the 17 rushing TDs , he goes down and you lose your run game. , his running ability opens things up for the actual running backs .

I'm going to use a different Chemistry metaphor.  I don't think the run game goes through Hurts, but Hurts is definitely the catalyst that makes the run game so effective. 

41 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Eagles vs. Colts

That would be amazing. 

47 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Tampa and New England. Easy choices for me. Brady and Belichick, together again.

I'm sick of seeing those cheaters in the big game.

CB will probably be a 2nd or 3rd rd pick, if Gannon is going heavy on zone, CB is a lower priority than safety. If you have good safeties, you can go with CBs with average speed but good hips and ball skills, and they're available later in the draft (think Asante Samuel).

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Giants just got better

Eh, Freddie Kitchens is bad. Hope it's the Saquon show for the sake of my fantasy squad.

When Judge finally gets fired, he should go be a college coach. Seems like he'd be a decent fit there if he liked the recruiting aspect.

Whoa. Taylor is lucky it didn’t end up worse. 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I am not convinced that Sirianni went to an expanded run game solely to take pressure off of Hurts.   I think he did it to help the OL, especially the interior OL, gel. I also think, because it was working, he may have done it as much to help the defense.  Running takes snaps away from the defense.  

I sent the following e-mail to Tommy Lawlor earlier today ... while I understand your thoughts about Siriani taking too long to adjust the Offense, I keep in mind that his two Guards right now are a rookie and a sophomore, both of whom were not starters when the season began.  Having some uncertainty about how Dickinson and Driscoll were going to perform is understandable, especially with Johnson missing three games and Mailata missing two.  The Raiders game was the first time that the starters were Mailata - Dickerson - Kelce - Driscoll - Johnson.  Your point still stands, but with a caveat.

My comment to Tommy is a variation on your comment above.  I agree with you that he did it to help the OL ... especially since he had a stable OL assembled for the first time in week 7.

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Giants just got better

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Whoa. Taylor is lucky it didn’t end up worse. 

Freak play. Looks like Callaway did it intentionally even though he clearly didn't, if that makes sense. 

27 minutes ago, austinfan said:

That's why Indy used #8 on Nelson?

You love to argue from the outliers, don't you?  

The Raiders drafted both a punter and placekicker in the first round... so does that make doing it smart or the only way to find those positions?  

 

For every top 10 OG drafted, there are numerous others that worked out just as well, if not better that went in Round 3 or later.   Our very own Brandon Brooks is an example of that.  You can't rely on top 10 picks only to be studs, you need a good scouting department to find them in other places.  And you need your GM to trust them to find them.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Grabbing Humphrey at 37 (which I expected, as he was my top rated OL in that draft) would have accomplished the same feat without the same risk.  Generally, centers and guards aren't first round picks and the elite ones aren't only top 20 picks, so please don't pretend that they are.  The top of the draft OL are generally always OT, specifically LT.  Taking an OL in the top 10 that's not a LT is generally not a smart pick either...because 'elite' interior OL can be found all over the draft.  (Johnson is an exception, because he had LT skills, but wasn't needed to flip to the left side.  If he had been a more traditional 'RT' type, who is a much better run blocker and a bit more of a liability in pass pro, he'd have been a bad choice at #4 overall.) 

Grabbing Humphrey at 37, when he went 63, is bad process.

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 

So since Joe Judge can't blame Doug for the Giants starting 3-7 in back to back seasons, Jason takes the fall.