Cracks me up that all of a sudden people think we are good and will win the div, lol. 

We beat a Saints team with a 3rd string QB, and BTW we didnt steam roll them, they almost came back to beat us with as people say a non functioning offense. 

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Cracks me up that all of a sudden people think we are good and will win the div, lol. 

We beat a Saints team with a 3rd string QB, and BTW we didnt steam roll them, they almost came back to beat us with as people say a non functioning offense. 

To be fair, this Cowboys team is not good either.

But agreed, we can easily lose this weekend. Folks seem to be assuming we win. 

4 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

Why not go for another WR1? They can be found in round 2, with our new WR coaching / scouting

Eh let's pump the brakes there. We drafted 1 good WR, who was also the Heisman winner. 

15 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I know I'm going to get crucified for it, but I really wouldn't mind taking a look at Jamison Crowder in FA. He's still fairly young, shouldn't cost a ton and has been a solid player when he's actually had a QB.

Would instantly be a big improvement to our slot.

Yup, he would be a pretty big slot upgrade. I'd rather Christian Kirk, younger and a very good returner, but I'd settle for Crowder. 

12 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Cracks me up that all of a sudden people think we are good and will win the div, lol. 

We beat a Saints team with a 3rd string QB, and BTW we didnt steam roll them, they almost came back to beat us with as people say a non functioning offense. 

I think beating WAS will be a challenge - but the defense should be able to withstand NYG x 2 and NYJ, right? The offense is what it is… which is consistent. The playoff talk is based on the lack of resistance moving forward, Methinks.

1 minute ago, Thrive said:

To be fair, this Cowboys team is not good either.

But agreed, we can easily lose this weekend. Folks seem to be assuming we win. 

This is a trap game for sure.  Giants stink; lousy QB, type of team we have been beating.  But, division game, on the road, and Giants probably feeling a bit embarrassed.   Would not be surprised by a close game.  Definitely should expect their best effort, some nastiness, trying hard to really lay a lick on Hurts.  Eagles are a better team, not much much better.  I think we win and hope it is a demoralizing mauling.

2 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Yup, he would be a pretty big slot upgrade. I'd rather Christian Kirk, younger and a very good returner, but I'd settle for Crowder. 

Wholeheartedly agree, but I think he stays with the Cards.

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

Eh let's pump the brakes there. We drafted 1 good WR, who was also the Heisman winner. 

I have the ability to look forward. The whole "I need to see 3 years of proof before I can decide" sounds good, but anyone can do it.

26 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I like Quez a lot and think he's valuable as a field stretcher. But he has been like a 2-3 reception per game receiver for us. If we think a true WR 2 is available for us I'm not going to be upset about them taking one. 

Now to be clear they 100% need to address DL and DB early in the draft (and ideally LB too). But WR isn't that far behind IMO. 

I'm OK with this route too. 

Quez would get more action if we had a real quarterback

22 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I know I'm going to get crucified for it, but I really wouldn't mind taking a look at Jamison Crowder in FA. He's still fairly young, shouldn't cost a ton and has been a solid player when he's actually had a QB.

Would instantly be a big improvement to our slot.

Ummmm

PFN draft site said that this QB class is going to see prospects fall further than expected. I still think Pickett and Corall go 1st, maybe even Willis.

I don't think Lowie is going to draft one of them in the first, but say a guy like Howell or Ridder is available day 2. Do you take one in the 2nd? 3rd?

It's a moot point if Lowie trades for Wilson as is expected by some, but in any case I think Lowie will add to the QB factory.

12 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

A little history... Detroit has had a Thanksgiving since 1934, the year they moved to Detroit.  So literally, the Lions have played a game on Thanksgiving since their founding (with a few weird exceptions), and they did so to rousing success early in the history.   When the TV age of the NFL came around the league wanted to add a second host city to the lineup, and no team wanted to do it... except the Dallas Cowboys.  In 1966, the Cowboys accepted that and rode it to marketing success and was one of the things that led to the America's Team... helped along by the images of Landry and Starbach.  

 

It would be horrible for the NFL to rip away generations of tradition from families who plan their Thanksgiving dinners around the games for those two cities, when they did it when no one else really wanted it.  Now it is a huge cash cow, and the NFL might be able to ring a few extra bucks out of the game by putting more premier matchups on during the afternoon (doubtful, honestly, as those families that put the game on will do so regardless of who is playing at 12:30 and 4:30... at least in this country), but it would be a huge slap in the face of those fan bases, and frankly, as much as I despise the Dallas Cowboys, I will defend them having the Thanksgiving game to the last.  Detroit fans have so little going for them in their sad history, to rip this one little light from them would be a travesty... and I'll be honest... if the NFL ever did change that, I might give up on the NFL for good, because they would be putting the almighty dollar ahead of the loyal fans.

But I feel bad for all those Dallass fans that don’t get to travel on Thanksgiving.   Seems only fair that the game be on the road in some place like Green Bay every other year.   Funny thing is, my friends that are Texan fans and were Oilers fans, like that they can go deer hunting the week of Thanksgiving and the Dallas fans are tied to their game.  Trans-Pecos mule deer season starts today. 

4 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

and philly

I'd agree with you but something tells me they will give him another year.  

19 hours ago, mattwill said:

SB win 2/2018

Drafts since have been as follows.  Help me understand "failed miserably"  Out of 29 picks 24are on the Eagles roster and 2 others are on the Chiefs and Colts rosters.

Year	Round	Pick #	Overall		Name
2018	2	17	49		Dallas Goedert
2018	4	25	125		Avonte Maddox
2018	4	30	130		Josh Sweat
2018	6	32	206		Matt Pryor	6th Round miss
2018	7	15	233		Jordan Mailata
2019	1	22	22		Andre Dillard
2019	2	21	53		Miles Sanders
2019	2	25	57		J. J. Arcega-Whiteside	2nd Round miss
2019	4	36	138		Shareef Miller	4th Round miss
2019	5	29	167		Clayton Thorson	5th Round miss
2020	1	21	21		Jalen Reagor	Jury is out
2020	2	21	53		Jalen Hurts
2020	3	39	103		Davion Taylor
2020	4	21	127		K'Von Wallace
2020	4	39	145		Jack Driscoll
2020	5	23	168		John Hightower
2020	6	17	196		Shaun Bradley
2020	6	21	200		Quez Watkins
2020	6	31	210		Prince Tega Wanogho	On Chiefs roster
2020	7	19	233		Casey Toohill	7th Round miss
2021	1	10	10		DeVonta Smith
2021	2	5	37		Landon Dickerson
2021	3	6	70		Milton Williams
2021	4	18	123		Zech McPhearson
2021	5	6	150		Kenneth Gainwell
2021	6	5	189		Marlon Tuipulotu
2021	6	7	191		Tarron Jackson
2021	6	40	224		JaCoby Stevens
2021	7	6	234		Patrick Johnson

  

Impressive. 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

If Hurts starts in 2022, our cap situation is actually fine. Our QBs would be making a combined 3M. 

According to Spotrac, despite the huge $62 million of dead money, the Eagles have the second best Cap situation for this season (behind only the Jaguars) with $19.5 million of Cap space to carry over into 2022.  Right now Spotrac has our 2022 Cap space at $32.8 million (including the $19.5 million rollover) with 48 players under contract. The notable players not under contract for 2022 are TJ Edwards, Alex Singleton, and Hassan Ridgeway on Defense;  Boston Scott, Jordan Howard, and Nate Herbig on Offense; and Rick Lovato on Special Teams.  None of those are big dollar contracts.

Just now, mattwill said:

According to Spotrac, despite the huge $62 million of dead money, the Eagles have the second best Cap situation for this season (behind only the Jaguars) with $19.5 million of Cap space to carry over into 2022.  Right now Spotrac has our 2022 Cap space at $32.8 million (including the $19.5 million rollover) with 48 players under contract. The notable players not under contract for 2022 are TJ Edwards, Alex Singleton, and Hassan Ridgeway on Defense;  Boston Scott, Jordan Howard, and Nate Herbig on Offense; and Rick Lovato on Special Teams.  None of those are big dollar contracts.

 

They just extended TJ Edwards a week or two ago.  

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

For the offense the Eagles are running they only need a third target.  Smith was drafted #10 overall to be WR1.  Goedert will be making $14M per season to be the #2 target in the offense.  Those two would ideally have a high volume; the third target would be a Torrey Smith-type reliable deep option to stretch the field.

Reagor will still get 2022 to show whether he can or cannot be that player — for better or worse 

Watkins will also get 2022 to show whether he can or cannot be that player — for better or worse 

16 minutes ago, matchew88 said:

I have the ability to look forward. The whole "I need to see 3 years of proof before I can decide" sounds good, but anyone can do it.

I mean good for you. I'm personally going to have to see more than 1 good WR drafted in the past 11 years before I have confidence. 

4 minutes ago, greend said:

Quez would get more action if we had a real quarterback

With Hurts at QB I'm not sure people realize how similar to the Ravens offense the Eagles are:

Ravens -- 316 rush attempts (Jackson 106 of those)

Eagles -- 338 rush attempts (Hurts 114 of those)

 

Rushing yards BAL -- Jackson 639 yards, Freeman 272, Murray 247

Rushing yards PHI -- Hurts 618 yards, Sanders 394, Howard 274

 

Passing yards per game BAL -- Jackson 272

Passing yards per game PHI -- Hurts 210

 

It's damn hard to find a WR group with this type of QB.  Since 2018 when Lamar Jackson was drafted the Ravens have also drafted at WR:

Jaleel Scott, Jordan Lasley (2018), Marquise Brown, Myles Boykin (2019), Devin Duvernay, James Proche (2020), Rashod Bateman, Tylan Wallace (2021).  Eight WR drafted in 4 years to pair with Lamar Jackson.  Hollywood Brown has over 2,000 career receiving yards so far; the other 7 guys have combined for less than 1,300 yards between them.  A lot of wasted resources spent at a position group that just doesn't see the ball a lot from Jackson.  The Ravens pass offense works best when they force-feed the ball to Mark Andrews at TE.

I said it yesterday; IMO Jackson is a more efficient and more prolific passer than Hurts -- at least to this point.  If the Ravens ample investment at WR has been mostly wasted to this point with Jackson, I'm not sure what drafting more WR will do for the Eagles.  

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

With Hurts at QB I'm not sure people realize how similar to the Ravens offense the Eagles are:

Ravens -- 316 rush attempts (Jackson 106 of those)

Eagles -- 338 rush attempts (Hurts 114 of those)

 

Rushing yards BAL -- Jackson 639 yards, Freeman 272, Murray 247

Rushing yards PHI -- Hurts 618 yards, Sanders 394, Howard 274

 

Passing yards per game BAL -- Jackson 272

Passing yards per game PHI -- Hurts 210

 

It's damn hard to find a WR group with this type of QB.  Since 2018 when Lamar Jackson was drafted the Ravens have also drafted at WR:

Jaleel Scott, Jordan Lasley (2018), Marquise Brown, Myles Boykin (2019), Devin Duvernay, James Proche (2020), Rashod Bateman, Tylan Wallace (2021).  Eight WR drafted in 4 years to pair with Lamar Jackson.  Hollywood Brown has over 2,000 career receiving yards so far; the other 7 guys have combined for less than 1,300 yards between them.  A lot of wasted resources spent at a position group that just doesn't see the ball a lot from Jackson.  The Ravens pass offense works best when they force-feed the ball to Mark Andrews at TE.

I said it yesterday; IMO Jackson is a more efficient and more prolific passer than Hurts -- at least to this point.  If the Ravens ample investment at WR has been mostly wasted to this point with Jackson, I'm not sure what drafting more WR will do for the Eagles.  

 

 

It's almost as if the Ravens have drafted bad WRs.

 

No, that couldn't be it.  That franchise has always been known for drafting good WRs.  

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

 

Well actually he's a running back playing QB so he sucks.  He can't score on second half drives because teams adjust at half time, well he does score on second half drives now but it is all only garbage time.  Okay, so it's not all garbage time but even if he does score in the second half now he also has thrown incomplete passes in EVERY game this season.  That can't be refuted.  He continually throws incomplete passes in every game.  You just can't have that. We need to get a QB in here that will never throw an incomplete pass or we will never win anything, except for the games we are winning but we would win a lot more if we had a QB in there that wasn't Hurts! 

57 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

PFN draft site said that this QB class is going to see prospects fall further than expected. I still think Pickett and Corall go 1st, maybe even Willis.

I don't think Lowie is going to draft one of them in the first, but say a guy like Howell or Ridder is available day 2. Do you take one in the 2nd? 3rd?

It's a moot point if Lowie trades for Wilson as is expected by some, but in any case I think Lowie will add to the QB factory.

Carson Strong is my guy in this class.  I wouldn’t mortgage anything for him…I’m not really supportive of going all in on any 21 year old and forcing their opportunity.  
 

But late 1st and any time 2 or early 3…I like his tools.  

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

So his 61.6% completion percentage is not because his throws are off-target ... but really late??  I'd be curious to see Eagles drop % if this is the case

Looking at Joel Buschbaum's Draft Pick tiers listed below, with some poetic license I get the following levels of players. The first six categories all apply to starting players, and the first three of those categories and the sixth are pretty easy to assign player names to, but "Quality" and "Solid" are a bit harder to differentiate.  

Hall of Famer

Franchise QBs

Pro Bowler

Quality

Solid

Marginal

Key Backup

Marginal Backup

Special Teamer

Practice Squad

Bust

If you look at the 2017 Super Bowl Eagles team, what category do you assign each player to? 

QB Carson Wentz* RB LeGarrette Blount WR Nelson Agholor WR Alshon Jeffery WR Torrey Smith TE Zach Ertz* LT Halapoulivaati Vaitai LG Stefen Wisniewski C Jason Kelce+ RG Brandon Brooks* RT Lane Johnson*+         LDE Vinny Curry LDT Timmy Jernigan RDT Fletcher Cox* RDE Brandon Graham LLB Mychal Kendricks MLB Jordan Hicks RLB Nigel Bradham LCB Jalen Mills RCB Ronald Darby SS Rodney McLeod FS Malcolm Jenkins*

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Looking at Joel Buschbaum's Draft Pick tiers listed below, with some poetic license I get the following levels of players. The first six categories all apply to starting players, and the first three of those categories and the sixth are pretty easy to assign player names to, but "Quality" and "Solid" are a bit harder to differentiate.  

Hall of Famer

Franchise QBs

Pro Bowler

Quality

Solid

Marginal

Key Backup

Marginal Backup

Special Teamer

Practice Squad

Bust

If you look at the 2017 Super Bowl Eagles team, what category do you assign each player to? 

QB Carson Wentz*       Franchise RB LeGarrette Blount Solid WR Nelson Agholor Marginal WR Alshon Jeffery Solid WR Torrey Smith Solid TE Zach Ertz* Quality LT Halapoulivaati Vaitai Quality LG Stefen Wisniewski Solid C Jason Kelce+ Pro Bowler RG Brandon Brooks* Pro Bowler RT Lane Johnson*+ Pro Bowler         LDE Vinny Curry Solid LDT Timmy Jernigan Marginal RDT Fletcher Cox* Pro Bowler RDE Brandon Graham Pro Bowler LLB Mychal Kendricks Marginal MLB Jordan Hicks  Solid RLB Nigel Bradham Solid LCB Jalen Mills Marginal RCB Ronald Darby Marginal SS Rodney McLeod Solid FS Malcolm Jenkins* Pro Bowler