Flipping between the washington corner and the nc state guard

Nc state has so little passing game

4 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Flipping between the washington corner and the nc state guard

Nc state has so little passing game

Neither do we - draft the guard.

2 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Neither do we - draft the guard.

No objection from me. Kid is a mauler

3 hours ago, Utebird said:

Because hurts.

I truly believe that in the current offense as designed for hurts the 2nd receiver could be Jerry rice and he'd get limited looks.

Hurts at this point is a one read if it's not there take off QB, and apparently none of the receivers know what to do on a scramble drill which is a problem when the QB scrambles so much.

Tough to evaluate the receivers with hurts and the current offense.

Not sure if reagor would be any better with a better passing qb but we won't know til he has one 

I'd like to see some data on what routes he's running. Also wish we could see how the play designs featured him in the QB progression. Then you'd have to figure out how many times he was open when he should have been the target. Then how many times he wasn't targeted, or was targeted with a bad throw.

He's been disappointing on face value, but football is not as easy to quantify as baseball or basketball. The context of football is more important than in other sports and also harder to truly know.

56 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No.  There's no 'story'.  There's barely a full sentence for each season.  He's been a major disappointment, he's shown very limited glimpses of ability with long dry spells in between.   I'm not going to cut him before 2022... but I sure am not going to be counting on him... same as the way I looked at JJAW going into this season.  No reason to cut him before the season, but they couldn't plan on him doing anything.  

Reagor has the first three letter of BU written on him right now... the man is getting ready to write the third letter.  He's got 5 games to show something or that letter gets added to him... and by this point next year, if nothing changes, the final letter will be written, exactly as it has been written on JJAW now.  He's clearly a bust.  Nice that he can contribute as a blocker and a ST player, but that's not what you are looking for in Round 2 from a WR.  Reagor is fast approaching that level... except he's not even contributing much on ST right now, and I don't think I've ever seen him actually block either.  So, he might end up worse than JJAW.

You say there is no story.  I say the data tells an interesting story.  You and I will just have to agree to disagree.  That has happened before, and it will happen again.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Would tampa take him to sit behind brady? Arians probably too old care.

lions with the rams pick? Maybe

i think he could go end of the first. Second at the latest imho

They drafted Trask last year in the 2nd round, unless he isn’t progressing, they’ll likely try to use him as Brady’s replacement.   Trask fits the non mobile QB like Brady but he’s lacking arm strength and that’s the main reason he fell to the 2nd. 

If Quez didn't drop that layup 2 weeks ago he would basically have the same career stats as Reagor.

They have kept JJAW this long and he doesn't do much on offense but at least is good on special teams. I would imagine they have Reagor on the team for the next 2 years, even if he doesn't bring much to the team.

3 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Ridder is a very intriguing prospect. Upside is undeniable. 

Agreed.

 there were a lot of people who said Allen was going to be a bust and shouldn’t have gone top 10 cause of his inaccuracies and every time Allen played better competition he didn’t look very good (iowa game in particular). And a lot of people questioned the ravens trading up to 32nd and giving away a future 2nd on lamar Jackson as there were questions if he could throw at the nfl level. Both turned out to be better than a lot of people then what many people thought at the time they were coming out.

Point is both were very intriguing prospects with some major flaws that people questioned would make them fail at the next level. I don’t think Ridder is as good of a prospect as either when they came out but he has a lot of athleticism and a good arm and Good chance he takes on Georgia in the semifinal so we are really going to see what he’s made of. Problem is i think his floor is likely the lowest out of the first two round QBs. But also has tremendous upside if you can develop it. But you better have a coach in place that can get through to him like a daboll

1 hour ago, TEW said:

I'd like to see some data on what routes he's running. Also wish we could see how the play designs featured him in the QB progression. Then you'd have to figure out how many times he was open when he should have been the target. Then how many times he wasn't targeted, or was targeted with a bad throw.

He's been disappointing on face value, but football is not as easy to quantify as baseball or basketball. The context of football is more important than in other sports and also harder to truly know.

I'd love to see those things to.

To be a fly on the wall watching coaches tape...

Can't believe I'm actually rooting for Duke.  

I was at the casino tonight. Made separate $25 bets on the Dolphins and Colts to win their games this Sunday. I just figured that if the Eagles draft positioning from those two teams continues to get worse, I may as well make some money off it. And if those teams lose, I'll be happy to take the loss. I figure it's a win/win for me.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

there were a lot of people who said Allen was going to be a bust and shouldn’t have gone top 10 cause of his inaccuracies and every time Allen played better competition he didn’t look very good (iowa game in particular). And a lot of people questioned the ravens trading up to 32nd and giving away a future 2nd on lamar Jackson as there were questions if he could throw at the nfl level. Both turned out to be better than a lot of people then what many people thought at the time they were coming out.

I can think of another qb who a lot of people said was going to be a bust but who has vastly outperformed his draft position. I'll give you a hint, it would Hurt many people on this board to admit that he has played pretty well.

Dak turned out far better than anyone thought coming out of college. 

10 hours ago, justrelax said:

Agree on McPherson, Barnett, and Reagor.

Epps as a third safety.

Definite yes on Stoll. Not yet on Jackson, tending toward no. 

Driscoll is a nice player.

I don’t think McPhearson is a step down from Nelson.  Would like to see him get some reps.   Barnett won’t be worth the cost but that creates a must fill hole because Tarron Jackson is not the answer.  Reagor looking like a potential bust at this point.  Epps is a third S and may get reps as a starter depending on if they go with rookies,.  Stoll is a good blocker but really hasn’t shown the ability to get open and catch the ball.  Jackson looks enticing but at this point both are still prospects.  If Seumalo isn’t set back, he is a better G than Driscoll   Questions at G and possibly C in the offseason. 

6 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I can think of another qb who a lot of people said was going to be a bust but who has vastly outperformed his draft position. I'll give you a hint, it would Hurt many people on this board to admit that he has played pretty well.

Please show me where i said he was going to be a bust… cause on May 10, i actually said if he was just a backup QB i couldnt call him a bust cause that’s what the expectations that were set by the eagles when they drafted him. That’s what he was supposed to be. (However have said your goal shouldn’t be shooting to just draft backups in the second round). Heck caplan and mosher have said the eagles never expected to be in this position in 2021  

Has he outperformed what the expectations that were expected of him? Yes cause he was supposed to be the backup and he’s played like a top 15-20 QB so far. which fyi i also told Ace nova in a discussion this offseason that imo his ceiling was somewhere between 12-18 best QB if everything panned out. I would be thrilled if he wound up being a top 10 quarterback and leads them to a Super Bowl. I have my doubts at this point in time he could out-duel an opponent with his arm in the postseason if it came down to that. 

But since i Thought some of his top 7 stats were inflated and not indicative of his overall performance in the first 9 weeks that must have meant i always thought he was a bust. 

Jalen Reagor sucks.

He was a stupid pick and provides essentially nothing other than frustration. 

He'll be here next season, but not much longer.

and duke beats the 1 team, go blue devils

4 hours ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t think McPhearson is a step down from Nelson.  Would like to see him get some reps.  

I think he is a step down.

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Barnett won’t be worth the cost but that creates a must fill hole because Tarron Jackson is not the answer.  

Give Jackson at least a few more games before you say that.

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Reagor looking like a potential bust at this point.

Sadly true. Some receivers do need time though. But his mental seems troubling.

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 Epps is a third S and may get reps as a starter depending on if they go with rookies,.  

A good third, yes.

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Stoll is a good blocker but really hasn’t shown the ability to get open and catch the ball.  Jackson looks enticing but at this point both are still prospects.  

Two enticing prospects for #2 and #3 sounds good to me.

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If Seumalo isn’t set back, he is a better G than Driscoll   Questions at G and possibly C in the offseason. 

I don’t think Seumalo is more than a good backup. Driscoll looks very good considering how inexperienced he is. That said considering how good the other four are both clearly are the weak link in a great line. And we do need Kelces heir, I don’t like the idea of moving Dickerson or Seumalo there.

Iron Bowl day. Roll Tide!

10 hours ago, mattwill said:

You say there is no story.  I say the data tells an interesting story.  You and I will just have to agree to disagree.  That has happened before, and it will happen again.

Well, before we agree to disagree... why don't you tell me what that interesting story is.  

13 hours ago, ToastJenkins said:

Would tampa take him to sit behind brady? Arians probably too old care.

lions with the rams pick? Maybe

i think he could go end of the first. Second at the latest imho

They drafted a Kyle Trask  in rd 2 last year and love him 

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Regarding those penalties...

Through the first four games, we averaged 11 penalties a game.  By far the worst in the league. 

Since then, we've averaged 4.6 per game.  Which would be second best in the league if it were the full season rate.

Overall, we are 20th in penalties per game.

3 hours ago, Infam said:

I don’t think Seumalo is more than a good backup. Driscoll looks very good considering how inexperienced he is. That said considering how good the other four are both clearly are the weak link in a great line. And we do need Kelces heir, I don’t like the idea of moving Dickerson or Seumalo there.

Not sure where that comes from. He's been a solid NFL starter for a few years now.  He had a couple hiccups early in his career, but the consensus is that he is no way a liability when he plays.  In fact, Kelce thinks he is underappreciated.

Also, what is a "good backup" anyway?  To me, it sounds like someone that could be a decent starter elsewhere if given the opportunity.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Not sure where that comes from. He's been a solid NFL starter for a few years now.  He had a couple hiccups early in his career, but the consensus is that he is no way a liability when he plays.  In fact, Kelce thinks he is underappreciated.

Also, what is a "good backup" anyway?  To me, it sounds like someone that could be a decent starter elsewhere if given the opportunity.

Yes sure. I didn't want to say I think he is bad. I just dream of a "perfect" line with five really exceptional players. And compared to the others I think he is the weakest link.

If he was to be our backup he could fill in with not too much drop off, and considering the quality of our line a backup here most likely could start on plenty of teams..

Hell Pryor wasn't even close to a starter here and the Colts are very happy to have him start for them.