1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Hurts won’t be this bad every week.  He also won’t get this much leash every week.  By leash, I don’t mean benching…just 12 passes in a game, mostly screens.  So he’s not going to have this kind of opportunity to look like this every week.

I don’t think he’ll get benched at any point for any reason this year.  
 

 

When you have a QB that can't pass more than 12 times a game and win, you don't really have a QB. You have a Tebow. 

1 minute ago, Uscg-green said:

When you have a QB that can't pass more than 12 times a game and win, you don't really have a QB. You have a Tebow. 

But, he has Swag

38 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Man, Hurts is down to a 60.1% completion percentage; he can’t finish the season below 60% again, can he?

I think this game was a reminder to the owner, the gm, the coach, and the fans of Hurts’ limitations…after the last 3 weeks had built up some hype and hope that he was the guy.  From here on out, he’ll probably see only very easily digestible game plans with simple throws that will see that completion percentage rise significantly.  

3 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

When you have a QB that can't pass more than 12 times a game and win, you don't really have a QB. You have a Tebow. 

Tebow was the best comp for Hurts from day 1 and remains the best comp.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Tebow was the best comp for Hurts from day 1 and remains the best comp.

I'll give that Hurts is faster than Tebow. But yeah otherwise perfect match.

6 hours ago, Wentz 2 Ertz said:

WR corp is still too weak to win games. Need to spend another 1st round pick on a WR 100%. 

No. No way … no draft picks on WR’s this year. Maybe a marginal FA signing.Until Hurts learns how to play the position or is replaced its irrelevant who plays next to DeVonta.

If the Eagles keep the 3 first round picks and draft defense, I wouldn’t mind if they used a 2nd on Carson Strong or Sam Howell if they are there.

Not taking away from how bad the Eagles passing game was, Jalen hurts ugly day with decision making and reagor continuing to disappoint but the Giants defense for the last five weeks has not been bad at all. They gave up 30 against Tampa Bay on Monday but if it wasn’t for Daniel Jones being an idiot and giving Tampa Bay 2 drives starting in field-goal range it wouldn’t have looked as bad in the box score. the defense wasn’t nearly as bad against the quality of an opponent as the overall points suggested. Over the last five weeks the Giants defense is giving up just 15.2 ppg. And last 3 home games it’s even better 8.7 ppg. 

that said hurts and the offense was horrible today. Their turnovers killed them in this game. Reagor dropping balls and hurts making bad decisions with the ball really hurt. The defense played well enough to win this game and likely deserved much better than what they got. However 2 areas i was disappointed in. the defense getting no turnovers against Daniel Jones. Also against one of the worst olines in the league they had 1 sack and 5 QB hits. I thought the defensive line should’ve had a field day against that oline.

Hurts is 29th in the nfl in passing yards per game.  It has been established that he is a 1 read qb.  Their development of any additional wrs will invariably fail until they get a different passer.  
 

Once they have their qb, I’ll be all for using a first round pick to put the offense over the top for a WR to complement Smith.

Disgusted.  That is my reaction to the playcalling and overall play of the game today.

That said, I was actually encouraged by hurts throwing into traffic.  It is the only way we can see if he truly might improve.  

The playoff mirage was fun for a week but the reality is that this team has way too many holes.   

BTW, Judge.  You saw a full game from pretty much the same Philly offense.  Still think they tanked on purpose?

What’s the point of even having WRs if we can’t throw the football really at all? I understand that two of these haven’t worked out, but we’ve drafted two in the first round and one in the second, in the last three years. For what? It’s sickening to watch what’s going on with this offense. It’s great that we can run the ball effectively. But you move up to draft Devonta Smith because he runs routes and gets open. Not to run block. Our OL doesn’t need a running QB to block well. They do that anyway. If we’re gonna have a **** QB, I’d rather have one with a noodle arm who can at least get the ball out quick and utilize the strengths of our best skill position player. 
 

But they won’t bench Hurts. It’s a pride thing for the FO. And they’ll keep him as a backup so they don’t want to F with his head. But can they really pretend that this is what’s honestly best for the team? They tried. They see it’s not working. Let your pass catchers try to develop, at least. Right now we’re just calling plays to the strengths of what we have.. knowing that it’s not gonna be a long term viable option. Why? What does that solve in the long term? Nothing. Yeah, we have a running QB now.. so we call plays for that. But how does that help us? I just think it’s a waste of time. 

24 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Tebow was the best comp for Hurts from day 1 and remains the best comp.

It was a bad pick. In a long line of others. Now they’re just hanging on to it to save face or whatever they’re doing. They may as well put me out there. I’d gain less rushing yards, but your WRs would develop just as miserably and at least you wouldn’t win meaningless games 😂

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Hurts is 29th in the nfl in passing yards per game.  It has been established that he is a 1 read qb.  Their development of any additional wrs will invariably fail until they get a different passer.  
 

Once they have their qb, I’ll be all for using a first round pick to put the offense over the top for a WR to complement Smith.

You see it in the stat lines each week. For the most part, only Goedert and Smith get targets. Watkins on occasion. I don’t see a point of even having anyone else out there. Yeah, get a QB that can throw toning routes and it’d be fine to spend yet another high pick on a WR. But right now we’re just wasting time with an offense that isn’t viable. We’re making Siri call plays we won’t be calling once we have a QB. No one is developing. Well, our OL is learning to run block, but half the plays are ROs that we hopefully can get away from. Now it seems like we’re either gonna draft a QB out of desperation, or overpay in trade for an old guy who our team isn’t ready for, or go into next season with this trash again. At least going with Hurts another year will make Smith cheaper to extend, because he’ll have mediocre stats..

In all seriousness, I’m against a third straight year of a pass catcher in the first round. But I’m not dictating the draft around Hurts being the long term guy. You still go BPA. If you aren’t interested in Hurts being the starting QB for the next 5 years it doesn’t make sense to build around his strengths only.

The Eagles are in a tough position. The QB prospects in this draft are not very good compared to most years. Devonta was frustrated today and I think that will get worse because WRs are judged on receptions and yards (in evaluation and for future contracts) and Hurts isn't feeding Devonta and Quez enough.  I would prefer to use two of the three #1s on defense and move the third #1 into 2023 and get our QB then. But, I don't know if our young WRs can deal with another year of a run first QB. The last thing we need is for Devonta to want to be traded next year when he is only in year two of his contract.  This team needs a lot.  I don't think Russell Wilson is an answer and Rodgers isn't a long-term answer and he won't want to come to Philly.  We need pass rushers, linebackers, another WR, possibly a center, a starting CB and possibly two safeties.  So many needs.  Honestly, if we drop another couple of games, I think we should play Minshew to see how he looks in the offense so we can see if he shows enough for us to put off addressing QB until 2023.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

In all seriousness, I’m against a third straight year of a pass catcher in the first round. But I’m not dictating the draft around Hurts being the long term guy. You still go BPA. If you aren’t interested in Hurts being the starting QB for the next 5 years it doesn’t make sense to build around his strengths only.

I think they’ll free up enough money to bring in a FA WR.  They’d have to be gun shy of using more draft capital, the way JJAW and Reagor have turned out.

I don’t think Hurts is making believers of anyone in the front office.  The national media and casual fans might see a budding franchise QB — I don’t think Eagles brass do.  There are a lot of QB needy teams again this offseason; a lot more teams than qualified QBs.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Hurts is traded before the draft unless he makes some real strides down the stretch run.

I don't like the prospect of picking up another WR but you can't expect to get a passing game going with only two realistic threats on the field. We're also way too one dimensional with Smith/Reagor/Watkins. They all have relatively the same type of game but Smith is just way better than the other two. Without another serious WR threat on the field it's going to be difficult to get a consistent passing game going regardless of who the QB is.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I think they’ll free up enough money to bring in a FA WR.  They’d have to be gun shy of using more draft capital, the way JJAW and Reagor have turned out.

I don’t think Hurts is making believers of anyone in the front office.  The national media and casual fans might see a budding franchise QB — I don’t think Eagles brass do.  There are a lot of QB needy teams again this offseason; a lot more teams than qualified QBs.  I wouldn’t be surprised if Hurts is traded before the draft unless he makes some real strides down the stretch run.

I agree with most. I do find it interesting that Rapoport came out with the "The Eagles FO is believing in Hurts” story yesterday. I have to wonder where that came from as it’s too early to be putting out smoke screens for the draft. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I agree with most. I do find it interesting that Rapoport came out with the "The Eagles FO is believing in Hurts” story yesterday. I have to wonder where that came from as it’s too early to be putting out smoke screens for the draft. 

I always come back to evaluation based on what the ceiling is.  Hurts limits what the team can do in the passing game — he just does.  The Eagles can beat middling and bad teams (most weeks) by pounding the football, but good teams at playoff time — or before — will shut the run down and make the Eagles throw.  The Giants said as much today, and the Giants can’t be confused with a good team.

If Howie is true to his "philosophy” that he’s not interested in a goal of 10-6(7) and just making the playoffs then the decision at QB is right in front of him.  The Eagles aren’t beating any contending teams the way they’re constructed.  If Hurts wasn’t a Howie pick — and I don’t think he was — this offseason will be very interesting 

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I agree with most. I do find it interesting that Rapoport came out with the "The Eagles FO is believing in Hurts” story yesterday. I have to wonder where that came from as it’s too early to be putting out smoke screens for the draft. 

I wouldn't be so sure of that and I doubt there isn't something to Howie personally scouting kids like Pickett recently. I like Hurts a lot and I want to see him succeed. He has every intangible you look for in a QB. It's games like today that make the reality of him being a ''college QB'' hard to ignore though.

41 minutes ago, blindside said:

You see it in the stat lines each week. For the most part, only Goedert and Smith get targets. Watkins on occasion. I don’t see a point of even having anyone else out there. Yeah, get a QB that can throw toning routes and it’d be fine to spend yet another high pick on a WR. But right now we’re just wasting time with an offense that isn’t viable. We’re making Siri call plays we won’t be calling once we have a QB. No one is developing. Well, our OL is learning to run block, but half the plays are ROs that we hopefully can get away from. Now it seems like we’re either gonna draft a QB out of desperation, or overpay in trade for an old guy who our team isn’t ready for, or go into next season with this trash again. At least going with Hurts another year will make Smith cheaper to extend, because he’ll have mediocre stats..

Yup.  

We've seen all-22 clips all year of Watkins running free downfield while the ball was forced to Smith.  Today, we see Smith running free downfield while the ball is forced elsewhere. The simple reason for this is that Siri was trying to diversify the offense.  Defenses know Smith is our #1 target and roll coverage to him.  Reagor and Watkins were the primary read more often than usual today.  Hurts just locks onto that one read, no matter who it is.  

It's egotistical to not go WR again simply because you've went there so many times recently and missed. It's a massive problem again, and there will be plenty of WRs likely worthy of one of our firsts or early 2nd round pick. I'm not passing on one I like because of recent misses. 

Also, Hurts can't throw. It's obvious

34 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

In all seriousness, I’m against a third straight year of a pass catcher in the first round. But I’m not dictating the draft around Hurts being the long term guy. You still go BPA. If you aren’t interested in Hurts being the starting QB for the next 5 years it doesn’t make sense to build around his strengths only.

Agreed.  

A brand new QB needs a WR1, a pass catching TE, a sound OL, and a strong running game to intermittently lean on.  A vet QB leading an elite offense needs 3 quality WRs who get open, a pass catching TE, a sound OL focused on a clean pocket, and a touch of a running game.

Hitting the WR position hard in the draft was more of a priority when we tried to get Wentz over the top....and then a priority again last year when we needed that ONE WR to be competent.  If we get the right QB, WR2 will become a first round priority.  But we may be a couple years (or more) away from that.

 

4 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

It's egotistical to not go WR again simply because you've went there so many times recently and missed. It's a massive problem again, and there will be plenty of WRs likely worthy of one of our firsts or early 2nd round pick. I'm not passing on one I like because of recent misses. 

Also, Hurts can't throw. It's obvious

If Julio Jones 2.0 is sitting there at #16, then yea, draft him.  

If a WR who is a slam dunk first round talent somehow falls into round 2, then yea, draft him.  

But I wouldn't go out of my way to draft a WR whose talent fits the draft range and who won't develop because he's getting 1-2 off target passes per game.