Debate 1: Hurts the future QB or not.

Debate 2: What do you think of the 2022 QB draft class.

Debate 3: If not Hurts and you are lukewarm on the 2022 class...do you force-pick someone, draft one of the guys later, or stick with Hurts/Minshew for 1-2 years until the right QB opportunity presents itself?  Basically, if not Hurts, do you/Howie/Lurie exercise the restraint to NOT add a QB, at all costs, that you can present to the fans as the future savior (picture the lion king scene).  I don't know if they are willing to wait until the following offseason to do that.  Having 2 consecutive seasons with no face of the franchise and no realistic/marketable hopes of contending might not be something Lurie is willing to tolerate.

As down as I am on Hurts, he is a second round pick who is easy to erase from future plans.  If they force it this offseason, we could be getting married to a still not good enough QB.  I just hope they are willing to wait.

23 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

I wouldn't be so sure of that and I doubt there isn't something to Howie personally scouting kids like Pickett recently. I like Hurts a lot and I want to see him succeed. He has every intangible you look for in a QB. It's games like today that make the reality of him being a ''college QB'' hard to ignore though.

Possibly. There’s just so much volatility right now with draft order it seems odd. We went from in the discussion of possibly having the first overall to almost being out of the top 10 in a month. 

6 minutes ago, EagleMatt said:

Reagor is going down the well-traveled Eagles road to WR bustdom.  

The next exit is a move to the slot to simplify his responsibilities, which will allow for a decent resurgence and salvaged productivity in year 3 as the coaches learn to harness his limited skill set against lesser coverage.

It's the Fredex/Agholor development plan.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Debate 1: Hurts the future QB or not.

Debate 2: What do you think of the 2022 QB draft class.

Debate 3: If not Hurts and you are lukewarm on the 2022 class...do you force-pick someone, draft one of the guys later, or stick with Hurts/Minshew for 1-2 years until the right QB opportunity presents itself?  Basically, if not Hurts, do you/Howie/Lurie exercise the restraint to NOT add a QB, at all costs, that you can present to the fans as the future savior (picture the lion king scene).  I don't know if they are willing to wait until the following offseason to do that.  Having 2 consecutive seasons with no face of the franchise and no realistic/marketable hopes of contending might not be something Lurie is willing to tolerate.

As down as I am on Hurts, he is a second round pick who is easy to erase from future plans.  If they force it this offseason, we could be getting married to a still not good enough QB.  I just hope they are willing to wait.

Yup. I’m not in on Hurts but using the last first round pick or the second on a QB just to draft a QB is a complete waste and just compounding the mistake you made with Hurts. You draft the guy you think can start for you for the next 6-10 years. Nothing less. 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. I’m not in on Hurts but using the last first round pick or the second on a QB just to draft a QB is a complete waste and just compounding the mistake you made with Hurts. You draft the guy you think can start for you for the next 6-10 years. Nothing less. 

I do think there is also a range where you draft a Jalen Hurts.  Not Jalen Hurts himself; he can't pass.  But a toolsy QB, to borrow a baseball scouting term, with a couple concerns that dropped him out of the hyper-expensive range.  You get a shot at something special and you can kick him to the curb if you don't like what you see.  And you use him the way they use Hurts.  No, not as a running back.  But you give him his shot, hope for the best, but just leave him in place until you have a chance to pounce on something better.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I do think there is also a range where you draft a Jalen Hurts.  Not Jalen Hurts himself; he can't pass.  But a toolsy QB, to borrow a baseball scouting term, with a couple concerns that dropped him out of the hyper-expensive range.  You get a shot at something special and you can kick him to the curb if you don't like what you see.

Sure. But not near #53. Especially not after you locked in your QB on a huge extension that didn’t even kick in yet. 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Sure. But not near #53

I used to think late 1st anywhere 2nd was no man's land for QBs.  If you like them enough to think they can be the guy, you'd never wait until that range.  And if you don't like them enough to make that commitment, why the hell are you burning a still very valuable pick on them?

3rd-4th round seems better for those types.

But I do really like Carson Strong.  I don't want the Eagles to marry any QB in this draft.  But maybe date Strong?  2nd round is an expensive date, but when you have no QB and no direction, I'd rather have a shot at a QB than draft a quality CB at that spot.

Thoughts on the game...

-- Disappointed in the offensive gameplan. One of the worst rush defenses in the league and you come out passing? What.

-- Hurts was truly awful today. Just had nothing as a passer. More of these performances and there's no justifying him starting in 2022.

-- Get Miles Sanders, Derek Barnett, and Jalen Reagor off my team. Sanders is so unreliable. Forgets how to catch from year 1 to year 2. Fumble problem. Comes back today, plays spotty, gets a huge run, and promptly hobbles off the field. Can't trust this guy.

Barnett got stonewalled by Evan Engram (!) today. Couldn't believe it. If we can't trust Barnett to beat up on TEs and FBs, what can we trust him to do other than commit personal foul penalties? Got a lucky sack last week and made a disciplined TFL today, but he still sucks.

Reagor should be inactive next week. Split his snaps between Hightower and Ward. At least we know Hightower can get down the field and Ward knows how to run NFL routes. Reagor is terrible. Legit shocked he's this bad. And his PC after the game? Ugh. Should've just snuck out the back of the stadium.

-- I'll continue to say it: a downhill, physical back is one of the easiest things to find in the offseason and one the most important. The Eagles win this game today with Jordan Howard. It's still an ugly ass game, but it's an ugly W.

-- Milton Williams and Jack Driscoll got hurt. Disaster game. Losing either for any length of time is a kick to the gut like losing Taylor was.

-- Positive: Quez has a ton of talent

I'm not sure Driscoll can stay healthy long enough to even be trusted as a backup.

Did they ever say what happened with Williams? The broadcast I had showed him down and then jumped to the next play after commercial without saying anything. Didn’t hear anything else about him. 

2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Disgusted.  That is my reaction to the playcalling and overall play of the game today.

That said, I was actually encouraged by hurts throwing into traffic.  It is the only way we can see if he truly might improve.  

The playoff mirage was fun for a week but the reality is that this team has way too many holes.   

BTW, Judge.  You saw a full game from pretty much the same Philly offense.  Still think they tanked on purpose?

Can someone fill me in on why the play calling is getting so much hate? The problem is Hurts period  

 

19 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Can someone fill me in on why the play calling is getting so much hate? The problem is Hurts period  

 

Because the bar has been set so low that a 60/40 run pass ratio before the last drive is unacceptable 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I used to think late 1st anywhere 2nd was no man's land for QBs.  If you like them enough to think they can be the guy, you'd never wait until that range.  And if you don't like them enough to make that commitment, why the hell are you burning a still very valuable pick on them?

3rd-4th round seems better for those types.

But I do really like Carson Strong.  I don't want the Eagles to marry any QB in this draft.  But maybe date Strong?  2nd round is an expensive date, but when you have no QB and no direction, I'd rather have a shot at a QB than draft a quality CB at that spot.

 Drafting Strong there isn’t a question on how many times he can pass it, that dude is a pure thrower, and you can remove worry about under thrown balls.  He’s got the best arm in the class, with Corral being a close 2nd. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. I’m not in on Hurts but using the last first round pick or the second on a QB just to draft a QB is a complete waste and just compounding the mistake you made with Hurts. You draft the guy you think can start for you for the next 6-10 years. Nothing less. 

Yes. Don’t force a QB pick. But at the same time, I don’t really trust them to pick the right QB. I don’t know this class of QBs coming out, so I don’t want to say "pick a mid round guy” not knowing who they are. But I’d rather take a flyer on a guy like Trask or that kid from Stanford last year than force an early QB just to do it. We just did that. 
 

I know Minshew probably isn’t the answer long term, but I’d rather at least see what he has, to determine who our backup should be. I’m not sure Hurts should be the backup here. He was kinda talked about as the leader by the players and coaches. Relegating him to backup at this point would be kinda weird for everyone, it feels like. Plus, I’m hoping we go for a QB that is a pass first QB, so I’d rather have a backup who will run a similar style, so if he does get hurt, the whole offense doesn’t have to change. I just feel that having a guy like Hurts who has been a leader, and making him a backup just makes it weird for everybody. Kinda like the Wentz-Foles situation. I’m sure there will be guys who like Hurts as a person that will "take his side” or whatever and I don’t want another drama situation. I’m over camp battles and non-committal training camps. If you draft or trade for a guy, just see wtf they have. Even this year, having these Hurts and Flacco press conferences where they talk about winning the job is just annoying. Hurts isn’t the guy. Let’s not play pretend. Move on. He might have some trade value for the right team. Take a fifth or whatever and start fresh. I get that there might not be a viable long term option this offseason, but I feel going with Hurts again just hampers the offense and WRs. At least if Minshew or whoever sucks, they’ll at least give the WRs a chance and let Siri try to call a viable offense. And probably throw for more than 70 yards through 3.5 quarters every week. 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yup. I’m not in on Hurts but using the last first round pick or the second on a QB just to draft a QB is a complete waste and just compounding the mistake you made with Hurts. You draft the guy you think can start for you for the next 6-10 years. Nothing less. 

Exactly. You draft a guy to be the franchise guy for the next 6-10 years. You draft a guy to be a future star (hopefully). I don't see that in this next draft class. I may be wrong but I don't see it. I see some guys with upside but flags. I see some solid guys who are more pro ready but not sure they have star potential. 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Because the bar has been set so low that a 60/40 run pass ratio before the last drive is unacceptable 

The Eagles ran more than they passed. They were down all game I know it wasn’t more than 10 points but they had to pass. You can’t become one Dimensional. Hurts simply can’t do it. He can’t look off coverage he can’t go through progressions he isn’t accurate he has a weak arm. 
 

Unless they plan to get a Derrick Henry type RB and Go with a Ravens type offense. 

1 hour ago, jwill2420 said:

The Eagles ran more than they passed. They were down all game I know it wasn’t more than 10 points but they had to pass. You can’t become one Dimensional. Hurts simply can’t do it. He can’t look off coverage he can’t go through progressions he isn’t accurate he has a weak arm. 
 

Unless they plan to get a Derrick Henry type RB and Go with a Ravens type offense. 

None of it is true. None of it was true yesterday. He was accurate and his arm has not been weak.

But ultimately someone has to catch it. An accurate pass doesn't lead to a completion as was on full display yesterday all day.

2 minutes ago, Infam said:

None of it is true. None of it was true yesterday. He was accurate and his arm has not been weak.

But ultimately someone has to catch it. An accurate pass doesn't lead to a completion as was on full display yesterday all day.

He consistently under throws receivers and was inaccurate more than normal yesterday. I'm not sure what game you were watching.

1 minute ago, Perforator said:

He consistently under throws receivers and was inaccurate more than normal yesterday. I'm not sure what game you were watching.

He wasn't inaccurate. Sure if you go by xy-yards x-% he was. But the actual throws were accurate. Just goes down like this on the stat sheet if they aren't caught.

5 minutes ago, Infam said:

He wasn't inaccurate. Sure if you go by xy-yards x-% he was. But the actual throws were accurate. Just goes down like this on the stat sheet if they aren't caught.

 

Hurts very accurately threw to three Giants players. 

2 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Hurts very accurately threw to three Giants players. 

More like five/six. Fortunately a few were dropped.

4 hours ago, jwill2420 said:

Can someone fill me in on why the play calling is getting so much hate? The problem is Hurts period  

 

We’re supposed to never pass apparently. 

58 minutes ago, Infam said:

None of it is true. None of it was true yesterday. He was accurate and his arm has not been weak.

But ultimately someone has to catch it. An accurate pass doesn't lead to a completion as was on full display yesterday all day.

good morning, you up early still trolling I see, hope you have a nice day

9 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

We’re supposed to never pass apparently. 

not until we get a qb who can actually do that

I wasn’t a fan of Reagor coming out , but I didn’t think he would be this bad , I think it’s about safe to say , he is a bust . There s just no improvement and it looks like he  really don’t care .