Not sorry to say, my wife and I went to the Kimmel to hear the Philadelphia Orchestra. Mostly Mozart, Symphonies 36 and 40. Sublime. 

I recorded the game, of course, and took pains not to know the outcome. Still, the game was so execrable that I peeked at the final score and shut it off. Ugh.

I gather we gave the game away, several times.

JJaw has got to be pumped that Reagor is on the team now at least.🤷‍♂️

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

JJaw has got to be pumped that Reagor is on the team now at least.🤷‍♂️

JJAW is finally turning it around. First back to back catch games since his rookie year. #progress 

Meanwhile

 

 

I do also miss having a QB who can hit a WR running wide open downfield, without the wr having to stop and wait on the ball. 

 

 

Whether the Eagles won or lost a game against the woeful 3-7 Giants depending on the outcome of two last-minute, desperation passes is really besides the point regarding the future direction of the franchise.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Waiting for the PFF tweet about how good Jalen Hurts was yesterday.  

Well, short of that, we have Afan, Infam, and RTK.

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

Whether the Eagles won or lost a game against the woeful 3-7 Giants depending on the outcome of two last-minute, desperation passes is really besides the point regarding the future direction of the franchise.

If we won then people would just say "hey at least we got the win" and ignore the terrible play

11 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I do also miss having a QB who can hit a WR running wide open downfield, without the wr having to stop and wait on the ball. 

 

 

That was a fun game to watch.  Wentz played pretty well, although he missed some throws and still holds the ball too long.  The Colts were throwing to Michael Pittman more than T.Y. Hilton, which makes no sense -- Pittman was bad yesterday (not Reagor bad, but bad).

The real takeaway for me from that game was Fournette was a beast.  He and Gronkowski imposed their will on the Colts D and brought them back to win.

Pretty much says it all

 

Highest winning percentage when allowing 23+ points 

2001-2019: Patriots 
2020-2021: Buccaneers 

Reagor is a shorter Dorial Green-Beckham

Sorry if already posted, but here is a great example of a 1 read QB.

 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Sorry if already posted, but here is a great example of a 1 read QB.

 

You need to post this in the Jalen Hurts Discussion Thread.  Just read the posts from the past hour and you'll understand why.

 

For all the negatives Hurts brings, you can live with some of the positives. But where he absolutely fails and sabotages all of his good, is his football IQ. I have no idea if he's a smart guy off the field. But he must have the worst football IQ of any starting QB. And it's not one or two examples that you could write off as being outliers, I now expect him to have a few plays every game where you just shake your head and wonder what the hell he's thinking.

The end of the first half doomed us yesterday above all else. We had held the Giants to 3 points, we had a beautiful, long drive running it down their throats....and then...

That sequence is the most basic of football IQ. It's not high level by any means. You have two options on that play. If there's an open receiver, you try to get it to him as quick as possible. It's a one read and throw play. If he's covered, just throw the damn ball away and take the 3 points. You can't take a sack, you can't get tackled in bounds if you try and run it in, and you cannot throw it for an INT. I haven't rewatched the play because I don't want to hurl, but I think his throw was short of the end zone as well. Like, why? Just, why? You kill everything with that play. Kill our momentum. Kill our players confidence that we'll bash the Giants in the 2nd half and they can't stop it. And, we were getting the ball to start the 2nd half. So if we could come back with another long drive, it completely deflates the Giants and potentially we end up 10-3. Instead, we go into the locker room deflated, defense is pissed off at the offense, and it spirals. 

And we saw in the 2nd half that the Giants were getting worn down by the run game. That's the only way this team can win games. Just wear down the other team with runs, and we're pretty good at it so why wouldn't we? 

That INT at the end of the half ended any investment from me in the team this year. And it should have been the end of the Hurts experiment. I can live with a QB who is limited athletically, so long as he can compensate mentally, like Mac Jones in NE. The one trait a QB just cannot have is being football dumb. The position requires the highest football IQ, yet, Lowie has decided to trot out the player in the league with possibly the lowest football IQ. What a cluster F. 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

That INT at the end of the half ended any investment from me in the team this year. And it should have been the end of the Hurts experiment. I can live with a QB who is limited athletically, so long as he can compensate mentally, like Mac Jones in NE. The one trait a QB just cannot have is being football dumb. The position requires the highest football IQ, yet, Lowie has decided to trot out the player in the league with possibly the lowest football IQ. What a cluster F. 

I chuckled when Ray Didinger blamed Sirianni for not kicking the FG at the end of the half.  Would have been nice if his QB had given him that option.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I chuckled when Ray Didinger blamed Sirianni for not kicking the FG at the end of the half.  Would have been nice if his QB had given him that option.

Spot on. Sirianni did nothing wrong there. There was 8 seconds on the clock. Sadly Hurts screwed the FG attempt when he rolled out of the pocket because at that point he left no real time. And then in doing so he forced a throw. That entire play is on Hurts. 

34 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

He had a throw a couple weeks ago. He rolled out to his right, threw it across  the field, about 50 yards away and hit the dude perfectly. 

First thing I thought was, ZERO chance Hurts could make it half way there with his arm

Wentz has a big arm, his problem was that he tried too many times to play hero ball, turns out it looks like it was Doug not Carson.

The injuries are still concerning but he's played through them this year.

I am sure there will be some emotional responses to this, but so be it.  Taking the emotion out of it, Hurts just isn’t the guy.  Posts a 17 qb rating against the 25th ranked pass defense (who had starters out in the back 4) and he has enough starts and a full off season under his belt to not have a built in rookie excuse.  For a team to make a run, the QB has to be able to push the ball down the field consistently.  The run isn’t always going to be there, especially against good teams.  Hurts locks on to one guy too often, doesn’t really progress through the reads consistently, and is up and down with his accuracy.  He leaves too many plays on the field.  I think he has a role as a serviceable backup and an offensive gadget.  I don’t think he will be benched, more for optics than for performance.  But I wouldn’t mind seeing a 3-4 game sample for Minshew.  Hurts could go out there and play great football and change my mind (and I hope he does), but I just don’t see it.  Either way, Go Birds.

23 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Too much when Hurts is the QB....YES!!!

 

And it was 31 pass attempts.......14 completed

I think you call about 30 passes/game - Hurts will scramble on 25% of them. That leaves 20-25  pass attempts versus 35 called runs. This is probably the best you can do in terms of balance with Hurts before the wheels fall off of the offense.

50 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I do also miss having a QB who can hit a WR running wide open downfield, without the wr having to stop and wait on the ball. 

 

 

This is what upsets me. Everyone blaming Reagor, but Hurts 3rd INT was an underthrown deep ball that may have been 6 to Reagor. 
 

The first "Reagor screw up” was an another underthrown pass that also had a defender tackling him and the flag wasn’t thrown. 
 

The nice catches by Watkins and Reagor were both late where they had to make a play and stop for the ball. 
 

These are speed receivers. Not 50/50 guys. Hit them in stride and they will look much better.

3 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

I am sure there will be some emotional responses to this, but so be it.  Taking the emotion out of it, Hurts just isn’t the guy.  Posts a 17 qb rating against the 25th ranked pass defense (who had starters out in the back 4) and he has enough starts and a full off season under his belt to not have a built in rookie excuse.  For a team to make a run, the QB has to be able to push the ball down the field consistently.  The run isn’t always going to be there, especially against good teams.  Hurts locks on to one guy too often, doesn’t really progress through the reads consistently, and is up and down with his accuracy.  He leaves too many plays on the field.  I think he has a role as a serviceable backup and an offensive gadget.  I don’t think he will be benched, more for optics than for performance.  But I wouldn’t mind seeing a 3-4 game sample for Minshew.  Hurts could go out there and play great football and change my mind (and I hope he does), but I just don’t see it.  Either way, Go Birds.

I think a lot of people assumed Hurts would look good for these 5 games against weaker opponents and the Eagles would keep him for 2022 while they build the roster.  If he looks bad down the stretch I think QB is in play this offseason.  I wouldn't say it's the smartest move, but the team won't have three 1st round picks in any other years.

It was discussed a bit a few weeks ago I think, but I wonder if the whole Carson thing went down as Wentz saying choose me or choose Howie. And if that is really true, and Lurie chose Howie..........it's just gross, the whole thing is just gross. With Wentz, and a healthy offense around him, we'd easily be challenging for the division title this year. And we'd have a new GM with no ties to the old guard or our cap problems. 

Instead, we have the same old GM, we're gonna need a new QB, and we have the same cap problems, with aging vets getting restructured to hurt our cap when they aren't even on the team anymore. What a sad state of affairs. I hate Lurie. 

31 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Sorry if already posted, but here is a great example of a 1 read QB.

 

Looks like he missed Smith for a long TD too

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

For all the negatives Hurts brings, you can live with some of the positives. But where he absolutely fails and sabotages all of his good, is his football IQ. I have no idea if he's a smart guy off the field. But he must have the worst football IQ of any starting QB. And it's not one or two examples that you could write off as being outliers, I now expect him to have a few plays every game where you just shake your head and wonder what the hell he's thinking.

The end of the first half doomed us yesterday above all else. We had held the Giants to 3 points, we had a beautiful, long drive running it down their throats....and then...

That sequence is the most basic of football IQ. It's not high level by any means. You have two options on that play. If there's an open receiver, you try to get it to him as quick as possible. It's a one read and throw play. If he's covered, just throw the damn ball away and take the 3 points. You can't take a sack, you can't get tackled in bounds if you try and run it in, and you cannot throw it for an INT. I haven't rewatched the play because I don't want to hurl, but I think his throw was short of the end zone as well. Like, why? Just, why? You kill everything with that play. Kill our momentum. Kill our players confidence that we'll bash the Giants in the 2nd half and they can't stop it. And, we were getting the ball to start the 2nd half. So if we could come back with another long drive, it completely deflates the Giants and potentially we end up 10-3. Instead, we go into the locker room deflated, defense is pissed off at the offense, and it spirals. 

And we saw in the 2nd half that the Giants were getting worn down by the run game. That's the only way this team can win games. Just wear down the other team with runs, and we're pretty good at it so why wouldn't we? 

That INT at the end of the half ended any investment from me in the team this year. And it should have been the end of the Hurts experiment. I can live with a QB who is limited athletically, so long as he can compensate mentally, like Mac Jones in NE. The one trait a QB just cannot have is being football dumb. The position requires the highest football IQ, yet, Lowie has decided to trot out the player in the league with possibly the lowest football IQ. What a cluster F. 

The thing that became very clear to me yesterday is I can live with him developing his football IQ. He’s shown in some moments this year some improvement in that. I can also live with him still learning and improving on his route reading. Again he’s shown improvement in that here and there this year. 
 

What I think I can’t live with is the fact that the guy simply doesn’t have a NFL arm. He has not thrown a single real deep pass this year that was in stride for the WR. Every single time they have adjust and come back to the ball. His arm strength is never going to get better and IMO you can’t be a real NFL QB when you can’t throw a deep pass. That will severely limit any offense he plays in. 

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

Im thoroughly embarrassed to be an Eagles fan this morning

I cant believe they ish their pants against the totally incompetent Giants with a shot at a meaningful season on the line

Now Im pissed I even gave Hurts a shot, pissed the Eagles forced me to give him a shot, pissed we have to continue to pretend he's our franchise QB because Howie and Lurie are f'ing stupid, and have basically no interest in Eagles football until the draft.

The mere fact that Hurts will finish out this utter waste of a season makes my blood boil, so Im just checking out as a fan

They never wanted to embrace this "run first mentality". Lurie, Howie and the analytical dept just don't want that. So they get what they deserve, a loss. This team isn't a good passing team and when we do, we lose. It's pretty simple.