2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Wentz with NS would be fun and a totally different record for the Eagles. 

Lol I bet you the straw that broke his back wasn't even Hurts being drafted....it was Reagor

 

Reagor and Hurts were drafted because the FO thought they were a field stretcher and a Folesian backup QB away from a deep playoff run. They spent their 3rd rounder (and 5th) on Darius Slay because they thought they were a stud CB away defensively.

They catastrophically misjudged the quality of the roster in 2020. Doug crapped the bed. The coaching staff didn't develop anyone other than OL and Josh Sweat. Carson cratered.

Reagor has been an abject disaster. Hurts is fine for what he is, but he's probably just a cheap bridge QB.

None of that means Carson should've stayed here.

1 minute ago, wtfcares said:

The thing that became very clear to me yesterday is I can live with him developing his football IQ. He’s shown in some moments this year some improvement in that. I can also live with him still learning and improving on his route reading. Again he’s shown improvement in that here and there this year. 
 

What I think I can’t live with is the fact that the guy simply doesn’t have a NFL arm. He has not thrown a single real deep pass this year that was in stride for the WR. Every single time they have adjust and come back to the ball. His arm strength is never going to get better and IMO you can’t be a real NFL QB when you can’t throw a deep pass. That will severely limit any offense he plays in. 

Nope. The mental mistakes he makes are things that pop warner kids don't do. He's been playing football long enough to know you don't throw the f$%#^!^ing ball away when it's 4th down and you're in the red zone. Force a pass, worst case is it's picked off, but who cares. A throwaway is just insane. This week, with 8 seconds left, like i said, you have two choices, throw away or throw to an open guy. It's actually a really easy play for the QB. One read, if he's open, throw it. If he's not, throw it away. Instead he throws a pick. Ridiculous. He has no football IQ. 

5 minutes ago, VeeMak said:

I am sure there will be some emotional responses to this, but so be it.  Taking the emotion out of it, Hurts just isn’t the guy.  Posts a 17 qb rating against the 25th ranked pass defense (who had starters out in the back 4) and he has enough starts and a full off season under his belt to not have a built in rookie excuse.  For a team to make a run, the QB has to be able to push the ball down the field consistently.  The run isn’t always going to be there, especially against good teams.  Hurts locks on to one guy too often, doesn’t really progress through the reads consistently, and is up and down with his accuracy.  He leaves too many plays on the field.  I think he has a role as a serviceable backup and an offensive gadget.  I don’t think he will be benched, more for optics than for performance.  But I wouldn’t mind seeing a 3-4 game sample for Minshew.  Hurts could go out there and play great football and change my mind (and I hope he does), but I just don’t see it.  Either way, Go Birds.

I think those who respond to your post emotionally have dug there heels in and are more interested in being right than they are in being objectionable.

I feel like I gave hurts a pretty fair shake, up until Siri started running the ball I was ready to throw the towel in on hurts, then I thought maybe he can be " the guy" in this offense if he can consistently hit on the few passes he has, yesterday though he showed to me that even when the run game is working and the OL dominating that even against a crappy D like the Giants hurts can't consistently make plays with his arm to win games.

The eagles O line abused the Giants front 7 that game yesterday should have been easily win by the eagles and had they had a competent QB they win easy.

I'm ready to see a different QB but confident in saying Howie is not.

36 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

You need to post this in the Jalen Hurts Discussion Thread.  Just read the posts from the past hour and you'll understand why.

 

Just dropped the hammer on the idiots over there.

34 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

By the way... Did anyone see Aiden Hutchinson... Dudes a man beast and I'd take him over Thibodeaux every day of the week. 

Yup, we are officially out of the running for him. He will go top 3. Miami screwed us! I do like his DE counterpart, Ojabo. We can get him in the teens, also like Kingsley Enagbare quite a bit and willing to take him mid round 1. I'm off the Drake Hackson or Karlaftis bandwagon so we will probably draft one of those guys instead. 

3 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Reagor and Hurts were drafted because the FO thought they were a field stretcher and a Folesian backup QB away from a deep playoff run. They spent their 3rd rounder (and 5th) on Darius Slay because they thought they were a stud CB away defensively.

They catastrophically misjudged the quality of the roster in 2020. Doug crapped the bed. The coaching staff didn't develop anyone other than OL and Josh Sweat. Carson cratered.

Reagor has been an abject disaster. Hurts is fine for what he is, but he's probably just a cheap bridge QB.

None of that means Carson should've stayed here.

If Carson had this same roster, with Sirianni, but Howie was gone as the price to pay, we would be discussing how week 18 is going to be a big tilt for the division title. Instead we're hoping 2 of our first 3 round picks next April fall in the top 10. 

And we still have Howie making the picks. We're screwed. 

Just now, Saltpeter said:

Reagor and Hurts were drafted because the FO thought they were a field stretcher and a Folesian backup QB away from a deep playoff run. They spent their 3rd rounder (and 5th) on Darius Slay because they thought they were a stud CB away defensively.

They catastrophically misjudged the quality of the roster in 2020. Doug crapped the bed. The coaching staff didn't develop anyone other than OL and Josh Sweat. Carson cratered.

Reagor has been an abject disaster. Hurts is fine for what he is, but he's probably just a cheap bridge QB.

None of that means Carson should've stayed here.

The bolded, Mostly because - they were relying on OLD OFT injured players to not only play but stay healthy. And others got hurt as well especially along the OLINE. 

It didn't work, Peters, Brooks, Djax, Alshon etc.  all played very little and only hurt the team in the end. 

How is Howie's job not tied to Hurts? He went out of his way to draft him in the 2nd round, forced Carson to leave after signing him to a mega deal, and now we see Hurts is trash and Wentz is doing OK. How can you justify bringing Howie back again? Goddamn it. 

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

He's missed less games than a ton of other QB's and important players. 

It's almost to a point where it's a false narrative. 

But yes, Reich has him rolling out a lot, ton of play action, and has WR's who are running and catching the ball(leading to yac) while I feel Doug LOVED sit down routes where we got ZERO yac.

 

Wentz too has a very good run game helping him.  He too isn't the most accurate but his WRs will make great catches for him, especially Pittman.

 

28 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

For all the negatives Hurts brings, you can live with some of the positives. But where he absolutely fails and sabotages all of his good, is his football IQ. I have no idea if he's a smart guy off the field. But he must have the worst football IQ of any starting QB. And it's not one or two examples that you could write off as being outliers, I now expect him to have a few plays every game where you just shake your head and wonder what the hell he's thinking.

The end of the first half doomed us yesterday above all else. We had held the Giants to 3 points, we had a beautiful, long drive running it down their throats....and then...

That sequence is the most basic of football IQ. It's not high level by any means. You have two options on that play. If there's an open receiver, you try to get it to him as quick as possible. It's a one read and throw play. If he's covered, just throw the damn ball away and take the 3 points. You can't take a sack, you can't get tackled in bounds if you try and run it in, and you cannot throw it for an INT. I haven't rewatched the play because I don't want to hurl, but I think his throw was short of the end zone as well. Like, why? Just, why? You kill everything with that play. Kill our momentum. Kill our players confidence that we'll bash the Giants in the 2nd half and they can't stop it. And, we were getting the ball to start the 2nd half. So if we could come back with another long drive, it completely deflates the Giants and potentially we end up 10-3. Instead, we go into the locker room deflated, defense is pissed off at the offense, and it spirals. 

And we saw in the 2nd half that the Giants were getting worn down by the run game. That's the only way this team can win games. Just wear down the other team with runs, and we're pretty good at it so why wouldn't we? 

That INT at the end of the half ended any investment from me in the team this year. And it should have been the end of the Hurts experiment. I can live with a QB who is limited athletically, so long as he can compensate mentally, like Mac Jones in NE. The one trait a QB just cannot have is being football dumb. The position requires the highest football IQ, yet, Lowie has decided to trot out the player in the league with possibly the lowest football IQ. What a cluster F. 

When I was watching live I expected him to scramble around so much that he would kill the clock and then throw it away. He somehow let me down. 

8 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Just dropped the hammer on the idiots over there.

Getting ready to do the same.  Hold my beer.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

When I was watching live I expected him to scramble around so much that he would kill the clock and then throw it away. He somehow let me down. 

Lol me too man....what a sad state of affairs. If you're Sirianni, you basically have to take the most risk averse approach you can now. He should've just kicked the FG there, you just can't trust your QB to make the simplest of the plays. So sad. 

28 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I chuckled when Ray Didinger blamed Sirianni for not kicking the FG at the end of the half.  Would have been nice if his QB had given him that option.

Didinger is a full on squirter. The other week he was on someone's pod and they asked him "How do you evaluate Jalen Hurts season so far?" His response was "well, you have to throw away everything from Weeks 1 to 7". I can't take anything from him seriously after that.

Hurts got injured yesterday. A week after taking a couple monster hits against the Saints. This offense isn't sustainable beyond a few years at most.

We have to see development as a passer. Yesterday was 10 steps in the wrong direction.

35 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

For all the negatives Hurts brings, you can live with some of the positives. But where he absolutely fails and sabotages all of his good, is his football IQ. I have no idea if he's a smart guy off the field. But he must have the worst football IQ of any starting QB. And it's not one or two examples that you could write off as being outliers, I now expect him to have a few plays every game where you just shake your head and wonder what the hell he's thinking.

The end of the first half doomed us yesterday above all else. We had held the Giants to 3 points, we had a beautiful, long drive running it down their throats....and then...

That sequence is the most basic of football IQ. It's not high level by any means. You have two options on that play. If there's an open receiver, you try to get it to him as quick as possible. It's a one read and throw play. If he's covered, just throw the damn ball away and take the 3 points. You can't take a sack, you can't get tackled in bounds if you try and run it in, and you cannot throw it for an INT. I haven't rewatched the play because I don't want to hurl, but I think his throw was short of the end zone as well. Like, why? Just, why? You kill everything with that play. Kill our momentum. Kill our players confidence that we'll bash the Giants in the 2nd half and they can't stop it. And, we were getting the ball to start the 2nd half. So if we could come back with another long drive, it completely deflates the Giants and potentially we end up 10-3. Instead, we go into the locker room deflated, defense is pissed off at the offense, and it spirals. 

And we saw in the 2nd half that the Giants were getting worn down by the run game. That's the only way this team can win games. Just wear down the other team with runs, and we're pretty good at it so why wouldn't we? 

That INT at the end of the half ended any investment from me in the team this year. And it should have been the end of the Hurts experiment. I can live with a QB who is limited athletically, so long as he can compensate mentally, like Mac Jones in NE. The one trait a QB just cannot have is being football dumb. The position requires the highest football IQ, yet, Lowie has decided to trot out the player in the league with possibly the lowest football IQ. What a cluster F. 

Yup, on the pick to end the half even if the WR catches it he was short of the goal line so what's the point, just throw the ball out if bounds and take the 3 points 

Pretty basic situational football 

15 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

How is Howie's job not tied to Hurts? He went out of his way to draft him in the 2nd round, forced Carson to leave after signing him to a mega deal, and now we see Hurts is trash and Wentz is doing OK. How can you justify bringing Howie back again? Goddamn it. 

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31 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It was discussed a bit a few weeks ago I think, but I wonder if the whole Carson thing went down as Wentz saying choose me or choose Howie. And if that is really true, and Lurie chose Howie..........it's just gross, the whole thing is just gross. With Wentz, and a healthy offense around him, we'd easily be challenging for the division title this year. And we'd have a new GM with no ties to the old guard or our cap problems. 

Instead, we have the same old GM, we're gonna need a new QB, and we have the same cap problems, with aging vets getting restructured to hurt our cap when they aren't even on the team anymore. What a sad state of affairs. I hate Lurie. 

I suspect there's more to the Wentz saga than we know. Your take seems plausible. The "OMG you drafted another quarterback high I want to be traded!!!" narrative seems simplistic and probably wrong.

19 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

How is Howie's job not tied to Hurts? He went out of his way to draft him in the 2nd round, forced Carson to leave after signing him to a mega deal, and now we see Hurts is trash and Wentz is doing OK. How can you justify bringing Howie back again? Goddamn it. 

If Howie were gone who else would Lurie get to push in his stools?😳

Will it be this bad , again, next year

11 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Hurts got injured yesterday. A week after taking a couple monster hits against the Saints. This offense isn't sustainable beyond a few years at most.

We have to see development as a passer. Yesterday was 10 steps in the wrong direction.

Giants also clocked him a few times on handoffs because he delays so long on some of these options. A few times they took some pot shots well beyond the handoff. I expect more of that going forward. 

Off topic....anybody catch the newest South Park special? Thought it wasn't as good as the Pandemic Special, but was still funny. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Is it? You draft me sh!t. Instead of trying to get me more weapons or help on defense you draft my replacement because you dont trust me and o ya, Dougie blows. 

I'd want off this shipping sink too. 

I wonder if Doug was trying to do what he was told to do last year. What he was told to do didn't work. Wentz could see it wouldn't work so "went rogue". I don't know if any of this is right, just guessing.