8 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

You'd get Rodgers, Wilson, or Watson and still have a terrible defense.

They are in a terrible situation and probably the best long term solution is to sit out of the QB race this year and draft/trade for one next offseason. Unless Carson Strong or even Sam Howell drop to the back half of the 2nd or 3rd round, there really isn't any QB i'd spend a high pick on.

See below.  

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I disagree. When you dont have a franchise QB, it doesn't matter what the rest of the team is like, you are just wasting time. EVeryone always says they dont like this QB draft class, and we should wait till 2023 draft. 

The problem with that thinking is: We dont know what that class will be like, and we dont know if we will be in a position to draft a good QB if there is one in 2023. And if we are not in position to draft them in 2023, then what? Will any QB's the likes of Rodgers, Wilson or Watson even be avail in 2023?   Was any avail last year? Not likely. 

 

You need to swing when the ball is hitable, not when it is not. The opportunity to land a known franchise QB is now. 

 

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Done....

 

• 
  8.
  DeMarvin Leal

  DT Texas A&M
   
• 
  9.
  Aidan Hutchinson

  EDGE Michigan
   
• 
  14.
  Andrew Booth Jr.

  CB Clemson
   
• 
  42.
  Brandon Joseph

  S Northwestern
   
• 
  73.
  Ed Ingram

  OG LSU
   
• 
  110.
  Chad Muma

  LB Wyoming
   
• 
  152.
  George Pickens

  WR Georgia
   
• 
  161.
  Josh Jobe

  CB Alabama
   
• 
  174.
  Quay Walker

  LB Georgia
   
• 
  207.
  Kedon Slovis

  QB USC

Hutchinson screwed everyone including Thibodeaux last Saturday, he’s now projected to go number 1, no worse than 2. 

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

None of this stops me from trying to acquire one. 

It may make it tougher, I still try. 

I think they try. I don’t  think they are able to land one. But i agree with Albert breer. They are definitely going to attempt to do so. 

I can't believe how many people are blaming Reagor for the deep ball interception. 

 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't believe how many people are blaming Reagor for the deep ball interception. 

 

QB has to be our #1 priority. Period. We dont have a chance without one. 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't believe how many people are blaming Reagor for the deep ball interception. 

 

Not looking off the safety in Cover 3 = INT. That's on Hurts.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't believe how many people are blaming Reagor for the deep ball interception. 

 

Yup haters gonna hate.

Reagor has made plenty of mistakes yet no reason to blame him when it's not warranted unless one has some weird axe to grind 

Hurts stared down reagor then under threw it and as always with hurts he didnt have the velocity on the pass to get it there quick, not because he chose not to but because he doesn't have the arm strength to throw deep balls on a rope like other top qbs.

RTK has been awfully quiet with his praise and excuses for hurts this week.

Don't fret though looks like AFAn has picked up the slack👎

 

 

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

QB has to be our #1 priority. Period. We dont have a chance without one. 

Yes and if one takes a QB just to take one then one ends up with baker mayfield then one doesn't have a chance either 

11 minutes ago, RLC said:

Dickerson is very good already. He has an average pass block win rate, despite giving up a ton of pressures in weeks 2 & 3.

  Dude hadn’t played since the SEC championship last season, be basically had no preseason and started practicing with the team week 1, so of course he was gonna be brutal for awhile. 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't believe how many people are blaming Reagor for the deep ball interception. 

 

It’s because we’ve now moved on from being wentz washers where we apparently coddled wentz to now hurts huggers where we apparently coddle hurts. 

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

See below.  

 

I just can't see any of them wanting to come to a team that's rebuilding. The defense has so many holes a franchise QB isn't going to solve them and send them to the playoffs.

If you go out and try to land a QB via trade you are mortgaging future picks to help build the team and make them younger. If this team were built more like the Titans or Saints I'd agree with you, but I feel this team has a lot more to go than just a QB.

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup haters gonna hate.

Reagor has made plenty of mistakes yet no reason to blame him when it's not warranted unless one has some weird axe to grind 

Hurts stared down reagor then under threw it and as always with hurts he didnt have the velocity on the pass to get it there quick, not because he chose not to but because he doesn't have the arm strength to throw deep balls on a rope like other top qbs.

RTK has been awfully quiet with his praise and excuses for hurts this week.

Don't fret though looks like AFAn has picked up the slack👎

 

 

Yes and if one takes a QB just to take one then one ends up with baker mayfield then one doesn't have a chance either 

Which is why I stated earlier, if you dont like one in the QB draft class, this year you have a shot at not one, not two, but three possible known franchise type QB's Rodgers, Wilson, and Watson. 

 

3 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

I just can't see any of them wanting to come to a team that's rebuilding. The defense has so many holes a franchise QB isn't going to solve them and send them to the playoffs.

If you go out and try to land a QB via trade you are mortgaging future picks to help build the team and make them younger. If this team were built more like the Titans or Saints I'd agree with you, but I feel this team has a lot more to go than just a QB.

And none of that stops me from trying to land one. 

53 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Interesting quote:

There are plenty of first-round-caliber players, and the depth at certain positions will stretch well into Day 3 on draft weekend. However, something that has been echoed by evaluators around the NFL is the lack of elite-level talent at the top.

Since we're gonna have 3 1sts in the 11-20 range or so, lack of elite players at the top is not an issue for the Eagles.

However, maybe 3 5ths will have extra value in this draft (the depth is due to COVID and players staying - these are the late bloomers and role players who won't strengthen the top of the draft but provide more NFL ready players on the 3rd day). Kind of draft to look at picking up extra picks and building depth along your roster if you're a rebuilding team.

Oh, I've heard this before... deep OL draft, Eagles pass on all of them.  Sign some priority UDFAs.  Deep RB draft... Eagles end up with Donnel Pumphrey.  Deep WR draft... Eagles end up with Jordan Matthews and Josh Huff.  

 

Color me unimpressed.

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yes and if one takes a QB just to take one then one ends up with baker mayfield then one doesn't have a chance either 

To be fair, Mayfield was taken #1 overall.  Dorsey graded him as the best prospect in that draft.  They had the #1 and #4 overall picks.

54 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah....because ND can't compete with the real power schools.......so that's kind of my point this morning.  He's taking a big step up going from ND to LSU.  It's not 1980.  Now if only PSU fans can come to grips to that...

Not sure what your point is here... most PSU fans I know recognize it, but are still fed up with Franklin's futility.

45 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

hmmm all defense? I know we need defensive help, but our number 1 priority has to be a QB. And yes if there is none good enough to draft, I swing for the fences - Rodgers, Wilson, Watson etc....  We go nowhere without a franchise QB. 

Home run swings lead to a lot of strikeouts.  If none of the QBs available are good enough... improve the overall talent of the franchise and wait a year to get a QB.  The names you mentioned all come with far too many negatives to warrant selling the farm to land any of them.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Home run swings lead to a lot of strikeouts.  If none of the QBs available are good enough... improve the overall talent of the franchise and wait a year to get a QB.  The names you mentioned all come with far too many negatives to warrant selling the farm to land any of them.

So I have to ask, what QB's will be avail next year? Will there be any home runs? Any Free agent known Franchise QB's avail? Will we have the draft capital to go get one if there is one? 

You can keep kicking that franchise QB can down the road every year, and waste you other players careers while searching for one. 

 

When you dont have a franchise QB, YOU HAVE TO KEEP TRYING TO GET ONE, until you do acquire one. Because you have almost zero shot without one. 

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I want no parts of Wilson Or Watson so that leaves Rodgers. 

Sure you can try, but he's not coming to philly. 

and again, none of that stops me from trying. I'd take any of those three for 5 years. And gaurantee we make the playoiffs every year, and have a legit shot each year!

Especially in our division. 

10 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Which is why I stated earlier, if you dont like one in the QB draft class, this year you have a shot at not one, not two, but three possible known franchise type QB's Rodgers, Wilson, and Watson. 

 

And none of that stops me from trying to land one. 

No thanks on any of those 3 qbs.

Rodgers is a head case and I can't imagine he'll come to Philly and he's getting up there in age.

Wilson has been dinged up and not nearly as effective as during his super bowl years.

Watson could be in prison in a year so I'll pass and even if he settles out of court I'm not sure I want a guy on my team with all that baggage.

Then again doesn't matter what I think cuz I'm not Howie, thankfully.

I could see Howie taking a shot at Wilson to make up for not drafting him.

I could see him taking a shot at Watson probably so he can get some pointers on how to get a handy 

I could see him trying to get rodgers as well which would be a big get.

We'll see what happens, knowing Howie he'll trade for one of the 3 mentioned above and draft a QB in the first and extend Hurts to fully stock his QB factory ☹️

35 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I disagree. When you dont have a franchise QB, it doesn't matter what the rest of the team is like, you are just wasting time. EVeryone always says they dont like this QB draft class, and we should wait till 2023 draft. 

The problem with that thinking is: We dont know what that class will be like, and we dont know if we will be in a position to draft a good QB if there is one in 2023. And if we are not in position to draft them in 2023, then what? Will any QB's the likes of Rodgers, Wilson or Watson even be avail in 2023?   Was any avail last year? Not likely. 

 

You need to swing when the ball is hitable, not when it is not. The opportunity to land a known franchise QB is now. 

Is it?  A 38 year old disgruntled QB that thinks he's bigger than his coach... that will mesh with Sirianni?  

A 33 year old QB with aging legs, and a wonky finger on his throwing hand, with a no trade clause and gets to decide where he wants to go?

A 27 year old QB with a laundry list of issues, not the least of which is his legal issues, but also his entitlement in having a say in the GM and HC of the team he no longer wants to play for?   

 

Hard pass even if one of them wanted to come here... but I don't think the Eagles are at the top of any of their lists.  And I'd love to see a single precedent of a team making a move even remotely close to this and having it pay off?   Any team give up 3 first round picks for a QB at the top of the pay scale and end up hoisting the Lombardi?  

All this college money flying around + rumors of Alabama sniffing around Stoutland last year = me nervous. 

33 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I disagree. When you dont have a franchise QB, it doesn't matter what the rest of the team is like, you are just wasting time. EVeryone always says they dont like this QB draft class, and we should wait till 2023 draft. 

The problem with that thinking is: We dont know what that class will be like, and we dont know if we will be in a position to draft a good QB if there is one in 2023. And if we are not in position to draft them in 2023, then what? Will any QB's the likes of Rodgers, Wilson or Watson even be avail in 2023?   Was any avail last year? Not likely. 

 

You need to swing when the ball is hitable, not when it is not. The opportunity to land a known franchise QB is now. 

And what are the odds that any of this year's QB turns out to be a franchise QB?  10%? Maybe less.

Look at last year's class, Mac Jones QBR 52.6 (15), Lawrence 33.9 (29), Fields 25.9 (33), Wiilson 23.5 (34), Lance.

And that was considered one of the best QB drafts - maybe 2 will turn out to be a franchise QB, probably 1 or 0 (Jones doesn't strike me as a franchise guy, solid caretaker).

Build a team and hope to get lucky and land a QB or have a veteran fall into your lap.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

All this college money flying around + rumors of Alabama sniffing around Stoutland last year = me nervous. 

Lurie would match any offer, and I think Stoutland prefers the NFL, you get to work with adults, less hand holding.

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I can't believe how many people are blaming Reagor for the deep ball interception. 

 

No need to blame Reagor for that play.  He has plenty of other garbage plays.   Same for Hurts.  Both played terribly.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

No need to blame Reagor for that play.  He has plenty of other garbage plays.   Same for Hurts.  Both played terribly.

Yep. I heard Mike Quick blame his route running on this saying "he slowed up, and then had to kick it back to full gear"(?) yet the ball was underthrown. Also heard either Caplan or Frank say "he's got to come down with it"(?)

I have no idea what they watch sometimes unless they are just hitting common talking points. 

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

So I have to ask, what QB's will be avail next year? Will there be any home runs? Any Free agent known Franchise QB's avail? Will we have the draft capital to go get one if there is one? 

You can keep kicking that franchise QB can down the road every year, and waste you other players careers while searching for one. 

 

When you dont have a franchise QB, YOU HAVE TO KEEP TRYING TO GET ONE, until you do acquire one. Because you have almost zero shot without one. 

Really, tell that to Nick Foles, Flacco, Eli, etc. None who I'd consider "franchise QBs." Heck I don't consider McNabb one. Delhomme and Hasselback got to the SB. Just need a good defense and an average QB having a good game to win.

Outside of a handful of elite QBs, the rest of the top 15-20 are pretty interchangeable, they have a great season or two, some good seasons, some putrid seasons.

So a guy on the edge of the top 20 with the right supporting cast can outperform a top 10 guy a lot of seasons.

"Build it and they will come." Build a team that consistently wins 10-12 games, and a top veteran QB will consider you a prime landing spot.

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

So I have to ask, what QB's will be avail next year? Will there be any home runs? Any Free agent known Franchise QB's avail? Will we have the draft capital to go get one if there is one? 

You can keep kicking that franchise QB can down the road every year, and waste you other players careers while searching for one. 

 

When you dont have a franchise QB, YOU HAVE TO KEEP TRYING TO GET ONE, until you do acquire one. Because you have almost zero shot without one. 

Putting it in CAPS doesn't make the case stronger.  The Vikings went to try to get one and landed Kirk Cousins.  

 

Yes, the Eagles will be in a tough spot without a QB... but overpaying for the wrong one is even worse than not having one.  3 first round picks and tons of money for a QB that might retire in a year (Rodgers), or one that's throwing ability might be altered due to the finger injury and who's legs can't last forever (Wilson) or one that was disgruntled with his lack of say in Houston even before the legal issues started swirling (Watson)???  

Nah... pass on all 3 and look to the future.  You'd be surprised how often a QB can emerge out of nowhere in the college ranks.