1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For Howie... piece of cake.  He added a defensive stud in 2012.  So, it should be no problem doing it again for 2022... he's due.

He's just been unlucky. The tables are bound to heat up and go on a win streak.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Do you think we should move on from Hurts this year? I don't know who would replace him honestly, but just a question about what your off season strategy would be? 

No. He's good enough, if he just improves incrementally as a passer, to get them to the playoffs next year.

And in a rebuild, having young players chase a playoff spot and maybe play a PO game or two is great for their development (not going through the motions in meaningless games).

If Hurts can't improve much further, you keep your eyes open for an upgrade, but you don't force it, otherwise you end up starting Darnold.

15 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I still disagree. 

When you dont have a franchise QB, you are spinning your wheels. 

We basically would give up this years first rd draft picks.  And yes negotiate a deal

 

VS

 

hope you draft one someday, and he magically develops into a top 10 or 15 QB? 

 

 

HMMMM  those are my choices? 

I'm going with the former. 

 

Another false equivalency.... 

Give up the hope of building the roster up so that when a QB actually becomes available, you have the pieces in place... 

or 

give yourself false hope of being a contender for the immediate future.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No. He's good enough, if he just improves incrementally as a passer, to get them to the playoffs next year.

And in a rebuild, having young players chase a playoff spot and maybe play a PO game or two is great for their development (not going through the motions in meaningless games).

If Hurts can't improve much further, you keep your eyes open for an upgrade, but you don't force it, otherwise you end up starting Darnold.

His passing aside, which is atrocious.....his football IQ is the biggest issue I have. And I don't think he improves it. I don't really want another season of Hurts honestly. I agree not reaching for a QB, but I would look to change from Hurts. 

Browns have been swinging for the fences and drafting QB's in the 1st round about every 4 years since 1999.

 

Using the Bucs as an example gives more weight to the notion of building the team and then getting a QB. They had Evans, Godwin, Brate/Howard, Suh, Vea, and JPP before signing Brady, Fournette, and Antonio Brown.

If you are going the trade or FA route for a QB, I feel you need a solid team that is a few pieces away. If your team structure is much further behind, it may be best to draft a QB and build around them. Unfortunately, the eagles are closer to the latter, but there doesn't seem to be a top QB in the draft to use a high pick on.

 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

What's often overlooked is the Bucs were loaded on defense too. Which they had built up for years before Brady got there. Also, they had Evans and Godwin on offense. Sprinkle in a few upgrades on o-line, and they were about as primed as could be to add a franchise QB for free. 

Cox I guess? 

Reid was still here in 2012... hard to claim that pick belongs to Howie, isn't it?   But, even if it does belong to Howie.   That was 10 drafts ago.  Not exactly a track record worth flaunting.  

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I lived in Altoona doe over a decade.  Was in State College a ton.  There’s a cult-like feel to their fan base when it comes to them and Paterno.  They go 4-0 and think its 1980 again.  I lived it.  Trust me.  

I guess... I'm on the Eastern part of the state... a lot more realism here I guess.    Those same fools are the same brain dead Stiller fans though... so... it fits.

lol. Sure. 

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No. He's good enough, if he just improves incrementally as a passer

No, he is not, and he needs to improve massively as a passer.

12 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Eli is not a franchise QB. Unless you define is as any QB who starts for a few years. Even at his peak (sucked his first five seasons) he was barely top ten.

And Big Ben was never elite, played on great teams. Consistently good, but not in the same league as Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Peyton.

Eagles won with Foles, Denver with washed up Peyton, Baltimore with Flacco, Giants with Eli (2), TB with Brad Johnson, that's 6 of 15 in the last 20 years without Brady.

SF got there with Garopollo, Rams with Goff, Carolina with Newton, SF with Kaepernick (scored 31 points), Zona with 37 yr old Warner (lost by 4), Bears with Grossman, Seattle with Hasselback, Eagles with McNabb, Carolina with Delhomme (scored 29 points), Raiders with Gannon, Giants with Collins.

Sure, it's easier to win with a top QB, it's also easier to win with a top defense.

Roethlisberger has thrown for 400 touchdowns in his career and won 2 Super Bowls but he's not a franchise QB? I have to stop reading your posts.

What if Jalen Hurts did what Ben did? 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I lived in Altoona doe over a decade.  Was in State College a ton.  There’s a cult-like feel to their fan base

Yeah, a lot of the die-hard alumni and their kids are culty as hell. Fans around the state that just root for the team because it's the big football school in PA don't see that as much.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

lol. Sure. 

Someone should let DeVonta know that.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Someone should let DeVonta know that.  

The correct phrasing should be "Jalen can't make that throw"

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

lol. Sure. 

I mean, its not like there is video showing that this is 100% false.

 

44 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

LOL, yes by all means pick out the few outliers that have won a SB.  Then go back and see how many SB's were won by teams with Eliete QB's. News flash : The majority. 

I'm going to start with 1990 cuz that's when I really started watching football.

1990 Jeff Hostetler, not elite.

1991 mark rypien not elite

1992,1993, 1995 Aikman not elite in my opinion but really accurate 

1994 Steve Young Elite QB only super bowl   appearance and win.

1996 Brett Favre elite QB only super bowl win 

1997, 1998 Elway- was elite when he lost 3 Superbowls not Elite when he won 2

1999 Kurt Warner- elite bit dude was bagging groceries a couple months before winning MVP so it's not like Rams spent any draft capital or money to " find him" he just kind of fell into their laps.

2000-now is a bunch of Tom Brady cheating, Ben Rothlisberger having the worst QB rating of a super bowl winning QB, Russell Wilson who only win 1 super bowl, Eli Manning who wasn't Elite and an Elite Payton Manning except for his last super bowl with the broncos where he was not elite at all then Nick foles career backup Mahomes elite and Rodgers for all his greatness all of 1 super bowl win.

That's definitely not the majority, I'm sure I missed a few but the majority of those teams had one thing in common, they were really good " Teams".

Eagles aren't a very good team right now, they don't have a super bowl caliber defense and they don't have a good enough offensive to make up for the bad defense.

They need a lot more than a QB.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The correct phrasing should be "Jalen can't make that throw"

Well... it was to the left.  

Just now, downundermike said:

I mean, its not like there is video showing that this is 100% false.

 

It's my fault for my posting an ESP tweet that conveniently left out the most important part of the quote. 

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's my fault for my posting an ESP tweet that conveniently left out the most important part of the quote. 

 

It wasn't open on the initial cross... BUT, because Bradberry undercut, Smith worked open late, and as the scramble drill ensued (not necessary for a QB that knows how to move in the pocket), was clearly the best option for a QB with any kind of arm talent and vision to his left side.

Let’s say the eagles win 8 games this year. I could totally see howie and lurie convincing themselves they are much further along then they originally thought heading into 2021. Also that if they had a franchise type quarterback whom was a better passer that they could’ve gotten to 10 or 11 wins and been a contending type team.

Do I think they are that close like howie and lurie could make themselves believe? No but I can see those two thinking that where they would say what we probably would’ve won the Niners game. We probably would’ve won the Giants game. And they probably think they could win another one of the games they lost. I do not think for a second that is out of the realm of how they’ll view it. 

i think people are looking at this like we can’t go after and get a quarterback meanwhile lurie and howie view it as we have a chance to get one of these franchise QBs and closer than we originally though. That said I don’t think they actually are able to pull it off, acquire and land that quarterback. but I will bet anything those two with the 3 QBs that are gonna be available this off-season that they are going to attempt to go after one of them. 

18 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Browns have been swinging for the fences and drafting QB's in the 1st round about every 4 years since 1999.

 

Using the Bucs as an example gives more weight to the notion of building the team and then getting a QB. They had Evans, Godwin, Brate/Howard, Suh, Vea, and JPP before signing Brady, Fournette, and Antonio Brown.

If you are going the trade or FA route for a QB, I feel you need a solid team that is a few pieces away. If your team structure is much further behind, it may be best to draft a QB and build around them. Unfortunately, the eagles are closer to the latter, but there doesn't seem to be a top QB in the draft to use a high pick on.

Even the 2002 BUCS followed a similar pattern, they had a pretty good team especially on defense, so did they swing for the fences on a QB?

Nope they brought in Brad Johnson 

Then paired him with keyshawn and Joe jeruvicious two big tall receivers and Gruden ran the ball on first and 2nd down with a crappy o line and threw a million slants on 3rd down and with that defense it worked, of course the eagles choked but still the bucs didn't sell the farm to get a QB they just got some solid pieces to put around a really good and well constructed team.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

lol. Sure. 

To be fair, he wasn't "really open".

He was extremely, hilariously wide open on a throw that #intangibles cant make.

9 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I'm going to start with 1990 cuz that's when I really started watching football.

1990 Jeff Hostetler, not elite.

1991 mark rypien not elite

1992,1993, 1995 Aikman not elite in my opinion but really accurate 

1994 Steve Young Elite QB only super bowl   appearance and win.

1996 Brett Favre elite QB only super bowl win 

1997, 1998 Elway- was elite when he lost 3 Superbowls not Elite when he won 2

1999 Kurt Warner- elite bit dude was bagging groceries a couple months before winning MVP so it's not like Rams spent any draft capital or money to " find him" he just kind of fell into their laps.

2000-now is a bunch of Tom Brady cheating, Ben Rothlisberger having the worst QB rating of a super bowl winning QB, Russell Wilson who only win 1 super bowl, Eli Manning who wasn't Elite and an Elite Payton Manning except for his last super bowl with the broncos where he was not elite at all then Nick foles career backup Mahomes elite and Rodgers for all his greatness all of 1 super bowl win.

That's definitely not the majority, I'm sure I missed a few but the majority of those teams had one thing in common, they were really good " Teams".

Eagles aren't a very good team right now, they don't have a super bowl caliber defense and they don't have a good enough offensive to make up for the bad defense.

They need a lot more than a QB.

Again- the MAJORITY of SB's are won by Franchise QB's.When you dont have one, you really only have a shot at catching lightning in a bottle. 

You guys can keep going if you wish, But nothing changes my mind. I knew it wouldn't be popular, because it isn't what you all want to hear. 

 

We will agree to disagree. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Let’s say the eagles win 8 games this year. I could totally see howie and lurie convincing themselves they are much further along then they originally thought heading into 2021. Also that if they had a franchise type quarterback whom was a better passer that they could’ve gotten to 10 or 11 wins and been a contending type team.

Do I think they are that close like howie and lurie could make themselves believe? No but I can see those two thinking that where they would say what we probably would’ve won the Niners game. We probably would’ve won the Giants game. And they probably think they could win another one of the games they lost. I do not think for a second that is out of the realm of how they’ll view it. 

i think people are looking at this like we can’t go after and get a quarterback meanwhile lurie and howie view it as we have a chance to get one of these franchise QBs and closer than we originally though. That said I don’t think they actually are able to pull it off, acquire and land that quarterback. but I will bet anything those two with the 3 QBs that are gonna be available this off-season that they are going to attempt to go after one of them. 

I would bet money that right now Howie and Lurie think they are much further along than originally thought and are being held back at QB.

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Another false equivalency.... 

Give up the hope of building the roster up so that when a QB actually becomes available, you have the pieces in place... 

or 

give yourself false hope of being a contender for the immediate future.

LOL

If you say so. I dont mind having an unpopular opinion.  I know when you dont have a franchise QB, you have almost no shot. I also know you can draft QB's on and off every few years and never hit on one. (see the browns)

To me as much as we throw away high draft picks on JJAW, Reagor, Sidney Jones, Hurts etc.... why not throw it away on proven players? 

I know it's unpopular, but it make sense to me. 

 

SO we agree to dissagree. 

Sirianni also noted the route wasn’t clean by Smith, who only got open after freelancing late.

People are killing Hurts too much for that play.