Just now, ManuManu said:

Sirianni also noted the route wasn’t clean by Smith, who only got open after freelancing late.

People are killing Hurts too much for that play. 

Agree. Hurts made a good enough throw to an open receiver who was at the literal goal line. It hit said receiver right in his hands and went thru them into his face. That play is 100% on Reagaholor. 

1 hour ago, wussbasket said:

You don't HAVE to draft or acquire a QB this off season. Sure, it could increase the chances of the Eagles playing better next year but for the long term future it might be best to sit this off season out on QB's.

This team is not a top QB away from going deep into the playoffs.

Could be

18 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

Browns have been swinging for the fences and drafting QB's in the 1st round about every 4 years since 1999.

 

 

Yes, because they too know without a franchise QB, they dont really have a team. Think about that, and think about what the chances are that we are in position to draft a good QB next year, or the year after that. And that Howie will draft a good one, who will develop.  How often does that happen? 

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

I would bet money that right now Howie and Lurie think they are much further along than originally thought and are being held back at QB.

Yup. I completely think there’s a reason why Albert Breer came out with his report and then two days later there was another report about Jalen hurts could become the franchise quarterback from Ian Rappaport. My view might be different than yours but the way I looked at that was the Eagles were going to be aggressive  going after one of these quarterbacks. if they don’t get one (highly likely) then they wanted it known they were ok going for another year with Hurts and helps in any trade negotiations as they can say we are fine just going with hurts for another year. 

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Again- the MAJORITY of SB's are won by Franchise QB's.When you dont have one, you really only have a shot at catching lightning in a bottle. 

You guys can keep going if you wish, But nothing changes my mind. I knew it wouldn't be popular, because it isn't what you all want to hear. 

 

We will agree to disagree. 

Majority???, you keep saying this word, I don't think it means what you think it means

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Could be

I do not think they are but I could definitely see howie and Jeff thinking this way. And with 3 quarterbacks in Wilson, rodgers and watson on the trade market I can see them trying their damnedest to get one.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I would bet money that right now Howie and Lurie think they are much further along than originally thought and are being held back at QB.

I mean they're not technically wrong. Lurie pretty much admitted to this year being a rebuild year, they are better than last year's team, and they're not horrible. They're certainly flawed, but I don't think they're a bad team. The biggest issue is the passing game which is attributed to the QB. The question is if you sacrifice 2-3 first rounders to get a premium QB at the cost of not being able to rebuild the defense with those picks.  

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Cliff Notes.

Hosteller / Rypien / Foles - Outliers

Eli - Some where in the middle

Aikman, Young, Farve, Elway, Warner, Brady, Big Ben, Wilson, Payton, Mahomes Rodgers - Upper Echelon Hall of Famers 

By my count since 1990, 23 hall of famer QB's have won the superbowl, 

And for what it's worth, what Flacco did that playoff stretch was beyond ELITE. yes, very short window but regoddamndiclous what he did that stretch

 

While done might be HOF and or eventual ones not all had hof seasons when the win the super bowl.

Elway was a game manager as was Peyton their last super bowls 

Big Ben's first super bowl he was the worst rated QB to ever win a super bowl 

 

38 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Here’s one stud. Maybe Hargrave too? So we can snap our fingers and add 2-3 more easily?

Hargrave has been MIA for a few weeks now after being near the top of the league at DT

23 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

Roethlisberger has thrown for 400 touchdowns in his career and won 2 Super Bowls but he's not a franchise QB? I have to stop reading your posts.

What if Jalen Hurts did what Ben did? 

Reading comprehension is a lost art.  I said he wasn't an elite QB and gave four names who were.

Now Eli is not a franchise QB unless you water down the term to any QB who starts for a long period even if he's a middle of the pack guy.

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

And sometimes you shoot yourself in the leg when you handle the gun stupidly... let's not become Plaxico.

So we just sit back and wait for a miracle to happen? That a future top 10 QB will be avail in a draft at a spot we can draft them, and .... Howie actually drafts them? 

That seems more of a stretch to me than trading away our 3 first rd picks from this year on a proven commodity. iI the past 25 years we have been in position to draft a top 10 ish QB 2x, and one of those times we had to do several trades just to get there. Otherwise, we have not been in that position. When you finish 7-9 because your defense is just good enough and your oline is just good enough, you aren't usually in a position to draft a good QB. Normally you need to be really bad. And because our division sucks, we are never that bad. 

 

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Cliff Notes.

Hosteller / Rypien / Foles - Outliers

Eli - Some where in the middle

Aikman, Young, Farve, Elway, Warner, Brady, Big Ben, Wilson, Payton, Mahomes Rodgers - Upper Echelon Hall of Famers 

By my count since 1990, 23 hall of famer QB's have won the superbowl, 

And for what it's worth, what Flacco did that playoff stretch was beyond ELITE. yes, very short window but regoddamndiclous what he did that stretch

So now the goal is to land a HOF QB?

I think the odds are better at building a top team and getting lucky with the next Foles.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Reading comprehension is a lost art.  I said he wasn't an elite QB and gave four names who were.

Now Eli is not a franchise QB unless you water down the term to any QB who starts for a long period even if he's a middle of the pack guy.

been hearing that for ever, and yet, they won two superbowls in part because of him - against the GOAT. 

We got lucky Foles played lights out once , no way he would ever repeat that. 

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Called that yesterday

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

You're splitting extreme hairs at this point. 

Game manager Elway and Peyton along with "quasi" rookie Big Ben would make this team a playoff team tomorrow and probably flirt with top 10 in this NFL,. 

No they wouldn't, nor would Eli. Peyton won the SB by handing the ball off all game and letting the defense do the heavy lifting.

You discount the impact Hurts has on the running game, put a mediocre veteran pocket QB in there and teams will find it much easier to stop the run.

The OL is only average at pass blocking right now, that's still a work in progress, and the receivers are below average as a group (less about talent than lack of experience). So an immobile QB would struggle.

 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

been hearing that for ever, and yet, they won two superbowls in part because of him - against the GOAT. 

We got lucky Foles played lights out once , no way he would ever repeat that. 

They didn't win b/c of Eli, they won b/c of their defense.

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I mean they're not technically wrong. Lurie pretty much admitted to this year being a rebuild year, they are better than last year's team, and they're not horrible. They're certainly flawed, but I don't think they're a bad team. The biggest issue is the passing game which is attributed to the QB. The question is if you sacrifice 2-3 first rounders to get a premium QB at the cost of not being able to rebuild the defense with those picks.  

Based off Jeff Lurie’s past comments after they drafted wentz,  i think you know the answer to how he thinks. so i Can see if they believe they are closer than any of us think they’d try their best to do so. i think they ultimately fail in their attempt to acquire one 

"Because in the NFL, it’s the one position you can’t just go get. And so when you have an opportunity, you’ve gotta take your shot, and you’ve gotta be bold. Otherwise, if you say to yourself, 'you know, it is probably a 50-50 shot that maybe the quarterback will be really good,' you can't let that deter you. So that’s how I look at it: You either have a really good QB and you compete for the Super Bowl, or you don’t and you are probably not competing for the Super Bowl. And that’s simple.”

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Hurts is looking to Smith, but it's a slow developing play, he has to move to avoid getting sacked and by the time he resets his feet, the window to Smith is closed.

Check where Smith is when Hurts has to avoid the sack, just getting separation, if Hurts is clean he hits him for a TD.

11 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Majority???, you keep saying this word, I don't think it means what you think it means

LOL, OK So Elway, Young, Brees, Brady, Manning's, Rodgers, WIlson, Mahommes, Aikman, Warner, Favre, Rothlisberger...

I guess these names aren't Franchise QB's? 

 

And you are more likely to win a SB with a Flacco, Dilfer, Foles???  Amirite? 

 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts is looking to Smith, but it's a slow developing play, he has to move to avoid getting sacked and by the time he resets his feet, the window to Smith is closed.

Check where Smith is when Hurts has to avoid the sack, just getting separation, if Hurts is clean he hits him for a TD.

If Hurts steps up into that clean pocket and throws to SMith it's a TD... EVERYDAY

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

welp, back on ignore you go. 

I'm sure Rodgers, Brady, Herbert and Burrow would struggle behind this line but Tyrod Taylor and Tua tear it up since the O-line is so bad. 

We were talking about Peyton in his last season when he couldn't move and could barely throw it 20 yards.

Now you're talking about top QBs in their prime?

How do you plan to get one?

And the odds of landing a HOF QB are slim and none, basically you have to get lucky and have one fall into your lap - Rodgers late in the 1st, Brees traded after an arm injury, Brady in the 6th rd, Warner UDFA, or Peyton and Elway #1 picks.

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

If Hurts steps up into that clean pocket and throws to SMith it's a TD... EVERYDAY

Step up and lead him to the back pylon. Not sure Hurts can actually do all that, but it was there. 

8 minutes ago, austinfan said:

They didn't win b/c of Eli, they won b/c of their defense.

Sure Eli didn't make the throws needed in crunch time to win? 

SMH

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Reading comprehension is a lost art.  I said he wasn't an elite QB and gave four names who were.

Now Eli is not a franchise QB unless you water down the term to any QB who starts for a long period even if he's a middle of the pack guy.

My bad. 🤣

I do find it weird the way you talk about Roethlisberger. Maybe not ever in that elite group, but certainly better than just "consistently good."