10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I was in on Jameis as a stop gap but not coming off an ACL

Not that I think it’s realistic but if you were trying to get someone who is Ryan Tannehill or Kurt Warner where they left one organization like the Dolphins or Giants. went elsewhere and had a lot of success then if I was a betting man I would take my chances on Marcus Mariota. I think he has the biggest potential upside of any of those quarterbacks but I really don’t see any of them having that type of success anywhere. Basically would just be a stop gap QB. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Which wouldn't be good enough to allow us to go "deep into the postseason" which is what has been discussed.  

And likely keep you out of position from drafting a high value QB prospect at the same time. Though with Howie drafting? It's basically throwing away picks anyway. 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Fair enough except now were blurring the lines between elite and franchise QB.

Not to mention we have yet to come to a consensus on what qualifies one as elite?

That's been going on for a few pages now lol

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Played this out in my mind and it could be too Madden-ish. 

Hurts for a 3rd(maybe 4th)

Sanders for anything. 

Use your 2nd and the 4th you got for Hurts to go get D. Carr(or you can do Hurts + 2nd for Carr)

That means you have 4 in the top 75 to go fill the Defense with D. Carr, Geodert, Smith, Quez and a decent running game. I'd be more than happy with this

Are raiders up to trading Carr???

I'd trade hurts and a 2nd for Carr in a hot minute.

 

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Stop gap QBs I would add.  Mitch Trubisky, Jimmy Garoppolo, Tyrod Taylor, Mason Rudolph, Derek Carr, Easton Stick, Drew Lock, Case Keenum.

Nothing exciting but I think any of those QB could be acquired and would be a good bridge QB until there is one available in the draft. 

Jimmy G seems like a good one but I think he has a big contract. Are Raiders ditching Carr?

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think seattle would take hurts. I actually mentioned this a couple weeks ago that what Pete Carroll wants to do it makes a lot of sense for him to go after Jalen hurts if he was forced to lose Russell Wilson.

Frankly I don’t think Miles Sanders moved the needle a lot for them because they have Chris Carson. Unless he’s unable to come back from his neck injury. Also Miles Sanders is coming up for a new contract. He has 1 year left on his rookoe deal. so they have to pay him in a new contract which hurts some of his value that they are forced to pay him once they acquire him. Add on sanders has missed time with injuries the past 3 seasons. 

with sanders and hurts, I still think Seattle wants picks this year. they don’t have a first rounder this year based off the Jamal Adams trade. So you’re likely going to have to give up to first rounders this year along with Myles sanders and Jalen hurts to get that deal done for Russell Wilson. I don’t think you can tell go with we will give you a 2023 and a 2024 first and they’ll just accept that. They could probably get a better offer from the Giants who might be willing to give up (according to the beat reporters) there 2 first round picks this year which are likely both top 10.

Don’t get me wrong what you suggested I would be OK with but I don’t think future first are going to get it done in this deal. I think they are team’s that are going to be willing to give them up this upcoming draft in order to acquire him and I don’t see the Seahawks waiting on future firsts with a team that has Russell Wilson on it as those picks likely will not be as good as the ones the eagles possess in 2022 draft

Im ok if they cant get their QB this year. I think those 2 vets in a Seattle package is the most likely possibility. But if it doesnt happen, Im ok with not trying to force something in the draft. I just really wish/hope theyd go with Minshew next year rather than Hurts. 

With the rest of the resources available the team should still be improved next year regardless. But would be a QB away from a solid playoff run. That was my point initially. 

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Like Aikman beating Jim Kelly

Rodgers beat Big Ben

Russ and Drew Brees beat Peyton

No matter how you spin it. time and time again you need big name, upper echelon, quasi elite QB's to win. 

That's a lot of qualifiers 😉

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I use Franchise and Elite in the same breath, as interchangebale, and myabe thats not fair, but to me, i see them as the same. You either have one, or you dont. 

 

Secondly, I also dont trust Howie, which is why I would gladly throw away 3 first rd picks on a proven commodity. VS drafting the likes of Reagor, Hurts, Jjaw, Sidney Jones. Sure howie may have hit on Smith, and Goedert, but thats less than 50% success rate. More likely in the 30% success rate. 

True I just don't like the 3 guys available.

I'd take Carr if the price is right over all 3

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not that I think it’s realistic but if you were trying to get someone who is Ryan Tannehill or Kurt Warner where they left one organization like the Dolphins or Giants. went elsewhere and had a lot of success then if I was a betting man I would take my chances on Marcus Mariota. I think he has the biggest potential upside of any of those quarterbacks but I really don’t see any of them having that type of success anywhere. Basically would just be a stop gap QB. 

I might get flamed for this but I think that guy is Daniel Jones 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im ok if they cant get their QB this year. I think those 2 vets in a Seattle package is the most likely possibility. But if it doesnt happen, Im ok with not trying to force something in the draft. I just really wish/hope theyd go with Minshew next year rather than Hurts. 

I am OK with waiting. But I don’t think it’s a given in 2023 that the eagles get their franchise quarterback either. I know a lot of people love CJ Stroud. But there is the chance a team like the Lions is picking at one and doesn’t want to move out of the number one spot so you can’t acquire him. And the other QBs might be underwhelming as well or also unattainable like the jets with Zach Wilson this year. 

it’s really better if the Eagles are really bad or really good. Being somewhere in the middle gets you stuck in purgatory where you’re not gonna be picking high enough to get the quarterback you want and have to massively overpay. and you’re not good enough to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender with a Quarterback you have 
 

 

5 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I don't care what the premise was.  This is what you said...

So with that, you're trying to convince us that with howie drafting those top 3 picks and whatever stop gap QB will allow us to be a playoff team?  

 

So I ask again, what QB will we be able to add that would be better than Hurts and only "slightly below average"?

No.... you are misreading things again.

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Like Aikman beating Jim Kelly

Rodgers beat Big Ben

Russ and Drew Brees beat Peyton

No matter how you spin it. time and time again you need big name, upper echelon, quasi elite QB's to win. 

Was Russell Wilson a big name or upper echelon when he won it.  What about Flacco or Foles? 

I think the real analysis is that you need an elite performance from QB to win the Super Bowl.  This is because teams that have home field throughout the playoffs tend to win more often.  So consistent good QB is part of a top 2 team sufficient to get homefield advantage.  I also think the team that has the better defense tends to win the Super Bowl more often than not.  

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

contract talks were pushed off. Seemed to piss off Carr. 

Trade speculation started when Rodgers wanted out of Green Bay (D. Carr would replace him) and even before that he was linked to go to the Saints when D.Brees retired. 

I just get the vibe that the Raiders dont think he's the guy while Carr is probably sick of the shitshow that is Vegas. 

One can win with Carr, he can make all the throws and is a polished QB without any limitations.

For whatever reason he hasn't had much post season success but he has a lot of ability is a good teammate har worker I think Philly would like him 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I might get flamed for this but I think that guy is Daniel Jones 

 Daniel jones could be that guy on another team? Hard to say because I haven’t seen him behind a decent offensive line. possible. I just think there’s something about him where he just makes a boneheaded decision at the worst possible time. 

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

One can win with Carr, he can make all the throws and is a polished QB without any limitations.

For whatever reason he hasn't had much post season success but he has a lot of ability is a good teammate har worker I think Philly would like him 

He grew up a Cowboy fan, that alone disqualifies him

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I am OK with waiting. But I don’t think it’s a given in 2023 that the eagles get their franchise quarterback either. I know a lot of people love CJ Stroud. But there is the chance a team like the Lions is picking at one and doesn’t want to move out of the number one spot so you can’t acquire him. And the other QBs might be underwhelming as well or also unattainable like the jets with Zach Wilson this year. 

it’s really better if the Eagles are really bad or really good. Being somewhere in the middle gets you stuck in purgatory where you’re not gonna be picking high enough to get the quarterback you want. and you’re not good enough to be a legitimate Super Bowl contender with a Quarterback you have 
 

 

Yeah. Its a sucky time to be without a QB. Some teams go from one great to the next so luckily with the timing. We have no QB and no certain end to this in sight. That sucks. 

This year should teach people not to look towards future drafts as the answer. This QB class was supposed to be incredible. And pretty much all of those names are still in this class, but they turned out not to be great prospects. 

You cant even assume Stroud will be the guy next year. It was supposed to be Slovis, Shough, Rattler, Howell, Ridder, Corrall. Malik Willis came on out of nowhere and quickly dropped out of that discussion as well. Carson Strong tried climinb the ladder but came up short as well.

There are so many names who were supposed to be first round picks. And not even 1 seems worthy. 

How do you look at that many guys who let you down and then go on thinking some guy next year is definitely going to be the guy? You cant.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

 Daniel jones could be that guy on another team? Hard to say because I haven’t seen him behind a decent offensive line. possible. I just think there’s something about him where he just makes a boneheaded decision at the worst possible time. 

Yep. Get him out of NY, put him behind a respectable O-line, give him a play caller not named Pat Shurmur or Jason Garrett and on a team with a middle of the road GM and I think he would be a lot better.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ahh.....sure.  Again, what QB will we get to make us a playoff team?  

You had me until.......

Just meant in general, not necessarily here. It's not hard to upgrade from Gettleman 

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah. Its a sucky time to be without a QB. Some teams go from one great to the next so luckily with the timing. We have no QB and no certain end to this in sight. That sucks. 

This year should teach people not to look towards future drafts as the answer. This QB class was supposed to be incredible. And pretty much all of those names are still in this class, but they turned out not to be great prospects. 

You cant even assume Stroud will be the guy next year. It was supposed to be Slovis, Shough, Rattler, Howell, Ridder, Corrall. Malik Willis came on out of nowhere and quickly dropped out of that discussion as well. Carson Strong tried climinb the ladder but came up short as well.

There are so many names who were supposed to be first round picks. And not even 1 seems worthy. 

How do you look at that many guys who let you down and then go on thinking some guy next year is definitely going to be the guy? You cant.

Yup. Which is a reason why i think howie and lurie have shown to be and would be very aggressive this offseason if there’s a realistic shot they could actually get Wilson or Watson to come here. 

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Am I missing something on Mel Tucker?  Big 10 Coach of the Year now after signing that 10-year contract??  Jim Harbaugh has Michigan in the Big 10 Championship after his best season at UM and finally beating OSU.  What the heck did Tucker accomplish?  I know they beat UM but they are 3rd in the Big 10 East.  How does that get you Coach of the Year?

 

James Franklin clearly deserved it 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ahh.....sure.  Again, what QB will we get to make us a playoff team?  

You had me until.......

Im not interested in your tangential questions that have nothing to do with what I was saying.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yep. Get him out of NY, put him behind a respectable O-line, give him a play caller not named Pat Shurmur or Jason Garrett and on a team with a middle of the road GM and I think he would be a lot better.

Maybe. I kind of think you’d have to apply that to trubisky as well. Cause they really haven’t had a great oline in Chicago and Nagy has also been bleh as a HC. Interesting i might take my chances on trubisky over jones. Only because I’ve seen Trubisky have somewhat success with a mediocre coach and bad organization. Plus the Nickelodeon award helps lol 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yup. Which is a reason why i think howie and lurie have shown to be and would be very aggressive this offseason if there’s a realistic shot they could actually get Wilson or Watson to come here. 

Ill take whichever one I can get AFTER I use those 1st round picks to build the team around him. The QB will appreciate that as well. 

If the GMs move before that, then maybe theres a super aggressive trade to be made the following year. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wilson became one.....but yes....he was on the rise.  

 

Flacco and Foles have already been brought up.  Flacco played elite then hit the skids.  Foles is the outlier......divine intervention.....my old man says "you're welcome".  

 

But this time...bacarty is right.  

6 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

25%. Kelly 4 times, Peyton twice, Big Ben and I forgot Elway beating Farve. 

Again "Big name QB's" are always linked to Superbowls. So to go, or want to go to the route of Nick Foles and pray doesnt make sense to me., 

Doesn't make sense to me either.

Like I said I'm not against having or getting an elite QB, tough to win without good QB play, look at the eagles...

Problem for me us 3 fold.

1- I don't think the 3 big name qbs available for trade or Fa are worth what they will demand, for a myriad if reasons 

2- I don't think this draft has and qbs that are worth taking over another position if more talent or value.

3- I just don't trust Howie to find a good QB in the draft.

I'm not arguing having an elite QB doesn't increase a teams ability to win, I disagreed that the majority of super bowl winners were won with elite qbs 

Now the definition of what or who are/were elite qbs can be argued and I'd agree with your statement that big name qbs are " always" linked to the super bowl.

No one wants to watch Bryce bortles duke it out against case keenum.

Big names like elway and manning even at the end of their careers playing on one leg and half a neck are going to be bigger draws than some scrub QB with a plucky defense.