6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Maybe. I kind of think you’d have to apply that to trubisky as well. Cause they really haven’t had a great oline in Chicago and Nagy has also been bleh as a HC. Interesting i might take my chances on trubisky over jones. Only because I’ve seen Trubisky have somewhat success with a mediocre coach and bad organization. Plus the Nickelodeon award helps lol 

Every time I've seen Trubisky play he looks like a deer in the headlights.

Who knows though sometimes in the right system qbs can have their careers resurrected.

Gannon with the raiders, Chandler with the falcons, Brad Johnson with the BUCS and skins, Foles for a postseason.

Those guys are outliers but sure would be cool to find one.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Now Eli is not a franchise QB unless you water down the term to any QB who starts for a long period even if he's a middle of the pack guy.

25 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Fair enough except now were blurring the lines between elite and franchise QB.

Not to mention we have yet to come to a consensus on what qualifies one as elite?

Elite top 3-5 QB over an extended period, not one or two hot seasons (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton)

Franchise, top 10 QB over an extended period (Big Ben)

Starter, starts for an extended period, but basically in that 11-20 group, maybe breaks into the top 10 for a season or two, but not consistently (Cousins)

Marginal, consistently in the 15-25 range, can win with the right team but gets buried on bad teams (Fitzpatrick)

Bad: bottom ten of the league until he's replaced.

Then there are players like McNabb:  Franchise QB from 2001-2004, then after his knee injury, regressed to "Starter" status.

A guy like Wentz had one elite season, but has basically been "Starter" status so far in his career.

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Every time I've seen Trubisky play he looks like a deer in the headlights.

Who knows though sometimes in the right system qbs can have their careers resurrected.

Gannon with the raiders, Chandler with the falcons, Brad Johnson with the BUCS and skins, Foles for a postseason.

Those guys are outliers but sure would be cool to find one.

Oh i don’t disagree. I don’t think trubisky does turn it around. If you asked me to choose out of mariota, Daniel jones, trubisky which i thought could do it I’d probably go with mariota. But i don’t believe in any of those guys tho. 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Elite top 3-5 QB over an extended period, not one or two hot seasons (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton)

Franchise, top 10 QB over an extended period (Big Ben)

Starter, starts for an extended period, but basically in that 11-20 group, maybe breaks into the top 10 for a season or two, but not consistently (Cousins)

Marginal, consistently in the 15-25 range, can win with the right team but gets buried on bad teams (Fitzpatrick)

Bad: bottom ten of the league until he's replaced.

Then there are players like McNabb:  Franchise QB from 2001-2004, then after his knee injury, regressed to "Starter" status.

A guy like Wentz had one elite season, but has basically been "Starter" status so far in his career.

Ok then one would need to define what level of QB we're they when they won their super bowl 

For instance Manning his last super bowl was no more than a game manager sane for elway.

Rothlisberger first super bowl he had the worst in game QB rating for a super bowl winning QB.

In the flip side Foles had an elite postseason but by most standards was no more than a journeyman QB.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh i don’t disagree. I don’t think trubisky does turn it around. If you asked me to choose out of mariota, Daniel jones, trubisky which i thought could do it I’d probably go with mariota. But i don’t believe in any of those guys tho. 

Mariota was such a disappointment, not that I wanted to trade the whole team and draft for him like chip Kelly but I thought he'd be a lot better than he has.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Oh i don’t disagree. I don’t think trubisky does turn it around. If you asked me to choose out of mariota, Daniel jones, trubisky which i thought could do it I’d probably go with mariota. But i don’t believe in any of those guys tho. 

Keep in mind

Trubisky = 27

Mariota = 28

Jones = 24, basically a rookie, younger than Wentz played his first game

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Keep in mind

Trubisky = 27

Mariota = 28

Jones = 24, basically a rookie, younger than Wentz played his first game

Hmmm. But he still makes me want to punch him in the face. 

Just now, Utebird said:

Mariota was such a disappointment, not that I wanted to trade the whole team and draft for him like chip Kelly but I thought he'd be a lot better than he has.

The man threw a TD to himself in a playoff game!

I wouldn't touch Wilson except as a FA at a reasonable (Brady) price.

His best years are behind him, his best stretch was his first five seasons. He's starting to get injured, if he loses some of his mobility, his height will kill him in the pocket. So I don't see him as a franchise QB going forward, maybe a "Starter" for a few years - and a QB who'll need a very good team to get deep into the playoffs.

Watson, just pass, gaudy stats, so-so offenses, and a complete f---p. Pass.

Rodgers, will be 39, had a great season two years ago that looks like an outlier, going forward he's not going to carry your team, so if you haven't build a good team (not as good as Wilson needs but good) he's not going to take you to the promised land - he'd be looking for a "TB" type situation, talented team that needs a QB to put them over the top.

None are the cornerstone QB who can be the heart of your team for the next five years. That's the only way I give up 3 1st rd picks and pay $40M a year.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You said, 3 first rounders and add a QB......did you not?

 

So which QB are you adding?  Or do you prefer for people to ignore what you post?  That way you don't back up what you say?  Help me out here.  

Someone said we are not a QB away from making a deep playoff run.

I said- We may be.

Since the original post I responded to was not specific, stating we are not a QB away rather than stating none of these QBs are the answer- my response was non-specific as well.

You keep asking for a specific guy when no one was speaking about one. You need to stay in context. But you only want to play these game so you can pin someone down and have an ITYS for later. Silly game for a grown man.

 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Keep in mind

Trubisky = 27

Mariota = 28

Jones = 24, basically a rookie, younger than Wentz played his first game

Jones played better than hurts last game so there's that.

I mean Jones has a bad O line an over rated RB and was throwing to back up receivers all game and was still able to complete basic throws from the pocket and escape it when he didn't 

I think hes more talented than hurts as a thrower but then again that's not saying much, hurts  is pretty limited as a passer.

Would one rather have hurts or Jones?

 

 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Question for the group.  

 

If you post something kinda dumb.....do you.....

 

A. hope no one calls you on it 

B. pretend like you didn't post it 

C. change the subject

D. disappear for a few days

Are these options or steps?

41 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Not to mention we have yet to come to a consensus on what qualifies one as elite?

Utebird, did you not get the memo ??  afans opinion is the consensus, we are just a bunch of nobody's who don't know anything about football.

11 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Elite top 3-5 QB over an extended period, not one or two hot seasons (Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Peyton)

Franchise, top 10 QB over an extended period (Big Ben)

Starter, starts for an extended period, but basically in that 11-20 group, maybe breaks into the top 10 for a season or two, but not consistently (Cousins)

Marginal, consistently in the 15-25 range, can win with the right team but gets buried on bad teams (Fitzpatrick)

Bad: bottom ten of the league until he's replaced.

Then there are players like McNabb:  Franchise QB from 2001-2004, then after his knee injury, regressed to "Starter" status.

A guy like Wentz had one elite season, but has basically been "Starter" status so far in his career.

What a load of crap.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Jones played better than hurts last game so there's that.

I mean Jones has a bad O line an over rated RB and was throwing to back up receivers all game and was still able to complete basic throws from the pocket and escape it when he didn't 

I think hes more talented than hurts as a thrower but then again that's not saying much, hurts  is pretty limited as a passer.

Would one rather have hurts or Jones?

 

 

I'd take Jones in a heartbeat over Hurts in a vacuum. Only thing I don't like is he has one year left at a reasonable price. 

Yeah, put me in the group who are ready to pounce if Wilson becomes available. Recency bias. He's playing behind a trash OL with 4 working fingers. Wilson's best years were 2018-2020, not just his first few years. I'm not sure what I'd be willing to give up because this team needs some young talent, but let's not forget who Russell Wilson is all of a sudden. Players like him don't become available very often.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Utebird, did you not get the memo ??  afans opinion is the consensus, we are just a bunch of nobody's who don't know anything about football.

Well, in your case, if the shoe fits . . . 😄

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No....that WAS the context.  Then you said we add the 3 first round players AND a QB.....that's the context you changed to.  

 

So if you want us to stay in context....then don't change it.  

The fact that the rest of the offseason exists is pretty much implied.

Whether or not the answer exists at QB among the group who are available, is not implied.

Its a different question. Theoretically, can we add a QB and be a contender with adequate QB play is very different than implying someone who is available right now is going to be the guy to do it. 

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Utebird, did you not get the memo ??  afans opinion is the consensus, we are just a bunch of nobody's who don't know anything about football.

What a load of crap.

This memo😁

 

14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I don’t think eli was elite. But his two postseason runs with the giants he played really well. It gets overshadowed cause his defense played great . His first run he had 6 tds and 1 int and had a QB rating of  102.2. He also threw for only 214 yards in each game. However he also won 3 straight road playoff games with 0 turnovers.

His second run he had 9 tds and 1 int. Averaged 305 yards passing per game.  His QB rating was 107.4 and won back to back road games at GB and SF. If Eli doesn’t play the way he did in Green Bay in that divisional game the Giants don’t win that Super Bowl.

that said I think he’s overrated as hell because the rest of his career wasn’t all that impressive except for the longevity 

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

I wouldn't touch Wilson except as a FA at a reasonable (Brady) price.

His best years are behind him, his best stretch was his first five seasons.

He's starting to get injured

False.  Second highest passing yards, most passing TD's, highest completion percentage, second best team record, all last year, 9th season.

In regards to injury, he had not missed a game until this year, and I would not consider his injury something that will be a trend.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I'd take Jones in a heartbeat over Hurts in a vacuum. Only thing I don't like is he has one year left at a reasonable price. 

Well I can't imagine he'd command much on the open market.

One never knows though I've seen worse players get paid 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think eli was elite. But his two postseason runs with the giants he played really well. It gets overshadowed cause his defense played great . His first run he had 6 tds and 1 int and had a QB rating of  102.2. He also threw for only 214 yards in each game. However he also won 3 straight road playoff games with 0 turnovers.

His second run he had 9 tds and 1 int. Averaged 305 yards passing per game.  His QB rating was 107.4 and won back to back road games at GB and SF. If Eli doesn’t play the way he did in Green Bay in that divisional game the Giants don’t win that Super Bowl.

Yup Eli played really well when it counted and just good enough to get there.

Wilson has the 4th best passer rating of all-time and the 3rd best TD-INT ratio of all-time. 

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Well, in your case, if the shoe fits . . . 😄

Comedy.  You post like you are the be all and end all of football, when in fact it is mostly nonsense that the majority of the blog calls you out on.

Anytime you are proven wrong, you either ignore the response, or go with the lame " I don't respond to gotcha posts " BS.

The only thing worse than Howie Roseman as a GM is you as a poster.