1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

This benching Reagor debate...

Who is going to play when Reagor gets benched?  Reagor has already been "benched" in favor of Watkins, who has played significantly more snaps for the last 2 weeks.  The coach has already washed his hands of Reagor's increased targets and indirectly put that on the QB.

Now, the #3 WR is on the field for about 2/3 of the snaps, which is what we are seeing from Reagor.  Do you really want JJAW or Ward in there over Reagor?  Maybe you do.  Hard to pick one.  But you can't really say they are playing draft favorites just because Reagor is playing over JJAW and Ward.

I'd go with JJAW. We know he's a good run blocker, and he's made a couple plays lately, maybe we can salvage something here - even if he's just a 3rd option, if he becomes a solid safety valve receiver with the blocking and STs, he's worth keeping around.

You trade for someone like Wilson AFTER you've built a playoff caliber (10+ wins for multiple seasons) team.

The point of that kind of trade is to put you over the top, not get you int the playoffs.

Until the defense is fixed, no QB will take this team deep into the playoffs.

Wilson got Seattle deep into the playoffs when he had a top 5 defense, when they fell to the middle of the pack, missed PO, 3 straight quick exits.

jalson reagholor

 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

This benching Reagor debate...

Who is going to play when Reagor gets benched?  Reagor has already been "benched" in favor of Watkins, who has played significantly more snaps for the last 2 weeks.  The coach has already washed his hands of Reagor's increased targets and indirectly put that on the QB.

Now, the #3 WR is on the field for about 2/3 of the snaps, which is what we are seeing from Reagor.  Do you really want JJAW or Ward in there over Reagor?  Maybe you do.  Hard to pick one.  But you can't really say they are playing draft favorites just because Reagor is playing over JJAW and Ward.

Also, it’s not like the third WR is gonna see any targets, unless he’s in the slot and the play is designed as the slot WR as the first read, in which case it will probably be Smith there anyway, or should be. We’ve talked about "one read QBs” in here for decades, but Hurts is literally a one read QB. Usually it’s only Goedert and Smith with any targets, but not that teams are catching on, we see Watkins with some, with Smith as a decoy. I don’t think it really matters who the 3rd WR is in this offense. As bad as Reagor has been, with a real QB, I’d be willing to bet his stats would be triple just out of sheer happenstance. Like, if we were getting 250 passing yards a game, the balls would have to go somewhere. We’re lucky to get 100. And those go to two of three players per week. We’ve seen even moderate QBs wearing midnight green over the years hit 7 different pass catchers per game. We’re lucky if 4 guys get a catch. And really lucky if the 3rd and 4th guy get more than one. 

3 hours ago, Swoop said:

 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Nothing to lose in benching Reagor, nothing to gain by going with Hightower.

I don’t think Hightower is any good. I think Reagor has natural ability, but it’s mental with him. But at this point, maybe benching him makes him finally wake up and figure some ish out in his head. Either that or it completely ruins him. But at this point I just don’t know how much there is to lose. 
 

But at the same time, like I said before, the third WR isn’t going to get any targets to speak of. I personally think getting Reagor some touches and him putting together a decent game might wake him up. But I don’t trust Hurts to do that. 
 

But that’s another thing. If we want to win, we need to just keep running the ball, but that doesn’t do this team any good in the short or long term. Winning only worsens our draft position. Running a gimmick offense only hurts Sirianni for when we actually have a QB. And our WRs need opportunity to develop. We need to make a QB change, period. We need to run an NFL offense. Still rely on the run game, but put someone behind center who will at least throw the ball. Playing Hurts to save face does nothing for us. 

30 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You trade for someone like Wilson AFTER you've built a playoff caliber (10+ wins for multiple seasons) team.

The point of that kind of trade is to put you over the top, not get you int the playoffs.

Until the defense is fixed, no QB will take this team deep into the playoffs.

Wilson got Seattle deep into the playoffs when he had a top 5 defense, when they fell to the middle of the pack, missed PO, 3 straight quick exits.

But how can your team win ten games without a viable QB? It’s a conundrum. The defense hasn’t been great all season, but they’ve gotten way better the last few weeks, albeit against bad teams. But if you’re waiting for Hurts to win you ten games, even with a great defense, your whole defense will retire before that happens. We do need some serious help defensively. But this team will never win anything with the offense we’re running. 
 

That said, I’m against trading for an old QB anyway. Rodgers is great. Wilson is still good, but they’re expensive and declining. Small windows aren’t what we need. It worked for the Bucs, sure. I just don’t trust that for us. 
 

I feel like we’re just not in a good place as a franchise. Not a desirable destination. Not a good cap situation. A lame duck QB, who the players like. A mess of a front office, with power structure issues. The future doesn’t look too bright. I’ve always liked Lurie, but I even have concerns about him now. 
 

We have to hit in this upcoming draft. And I don’t trust them to do that. 

But in terms of QB.. getting one isn’t as difficult as it seems. Look at the last five years.  
 

Justin Herbert was pick 7, Josh Allen pick 6, Mahomes and Mac Jones were mid 1st. Say what you want about Lamar Jackson, but he as end of round 1. You don’t have to be the first overall pick to find a good one, you have to be able to be able to evaluate, and probably get a little lucky. Some of the earlier guys in those drafts weren’t nearly as good. And yeah, Howie doesn’t exactly give me a lot of confidence in drafting anyone. But it can be done. I just hope he chooses a guy with a passing pedigree next time. 

 

It's not just a mental thing with Reagor. The talent isn't there either. He was barely an effective WR playing in the Big-12. He isn't all that fast, he isn't explosive, he doesn't have technical skill in his route running, and he doesn't have good hands. On top of it, he processes the game slowly. It's not just a battle with poor confidence.

26 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's not just a mental thing with Reagor. The talent isn't there either. He was barely an effective WR playing in the Big-12. He isn't all that fast, he isn't explosive, he doesn't have technical skill in his route running, and he doesn't have good hands. On top of it, he processes the game slowly. It's not just a battle with poor confidence.

I don’t know if I can say the talent isn’t there. He clearly hasn’t shown the talent to be there. But it feels like it’s a mental/attitude/maturity problem with him 

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I don’t know if I can say the talent is there. He clearly hasn’t shown the talent to be there. But it feels like it’s a mental/attitude/maturity problem with him 

He absolutely gets in his own way.

17 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

It's not just a mental thing with Reagor. The talent isn't there either. He was barely an effective WR playing in the Big-12. He isn't all that fast, he isn't explosive, he doesn't have technical skill in his route running, and he doesn't have good hands. On top of it, he processes the game slowly. It's not just a battle with poor confidence.

I think he has talent but it’s not top 20 draft talent. He is never going to live up to where he went based off talent and who he went in front of him. On top of that he had a crap attitude even at TCU when he didn’t get the ball or wasn’t targeted. It’s continued into the nfl. You saw it last year where he half assed routes and gave up on plays. That was stated by Daniel Jeremiah and Dane burglar during the draft process. 

I don’t see him turning this around. I think he is more likely mentally check out and implode more 

Who cares about Reagor… need a QB before anything matters anyway 

9 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Who cares about Reagor… need a QB before anything matters anyway 

No you need to build a team that has multiple years of double digit wins before you consider the most important position for some reason that no team ever follows 

People talk as if you just draft a QB and you're guaranteed a winner as long as he has a strong arm.

Meanwhile, something like 2/3 of the QBs taken in the top 15 the last five years or so aren't even top 20 guys.

It is really hard to draft a franchise QB, it is easy to ruin a potential franchise QB by drafting him onto a team that can't provide adequate support.

Hurts can win 10 games with a good defense, a strong running game and a good defense can carry you through the regular season.

First build that solid team, then worry about a QB that can take you to the SB.

12 QBs threw for 4000 yards in 2020, Watson, Ryan, Carr, Cousins and Stafford missed the playoffs. Guess a passing QB is no guarantee of winning 10 games.

3 hours ago, olsilverhair said:

I wonder why you keep posting

24 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People talk as if you just draft a QB and you're guaranteed a winner as long as he has a strong arm.

Meanwhile, something like 2/3 of the QBs taken in the top 15 the last five years or so aren't even top 20 guys.

It is really hard to draft a franchise QB, it is easy to ruin a potential franchise QB by drafting him onto a team that can't provide adequate support.

Hurts can win 10 games with a good defense, a strong running game and a good defense can carry you through the regular season.

First build that solid team, then worry about a QB that can take you to the SB.

12 QBs threw for 4000 yards in 2020, Watson, Ryan, Carr, Cousins and Stafford missed the playoffs. Guess a passing QB is no guarantee of winning 10 games.

How are you going to get a franchise QB if you're picking in the 20s? When you're positioned to take one that fits the bill, you do it. Whether "you're ready" or not.

33 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

How are you going to get a franchise QB if you're picking in the 20s? When you're positioned to take one that fits the bill, you do it. Whether "you're ready" or not.

building up the team and then getting your quarterback when it is built up is ideal so you can hit the ground running with the rookie contract QB. However teams aren’t passing up on quarterbacks just because their teams are not built up to their likings. They don’t dick around and say you know what we’ll just wait for two years cause our team isn’t built up enough even though we love this quarterback or there’s a quarterback we feel could be a franchise changer. 

the Cincinnati Bengals weren’t like you know what we can’t take Joe Burrow right now because our team is built up enough. The Cincinnati Bengals were in a much more dire situation then the current Philadelphia eagles and yet they drafted Joe burrow. I don’t see the Cincinnati Bengals saying to themselves damn we should’ve waited. When the Bengals talk Joe Burrow they were anywhere close to being a contending team as they were 2-14. Now they are currently 7-4 with a potential chance to win the AFC North. The LA chargers were also not built up all that much better than what the Eagles are currently when they went out and drafted Herbert. And there was a lot of people down on Justin Herbert and didn’t want to touch him or tua  

The point is you adore and absolutely love a quarterback then draft him regardless of how your team looks currently or if a quarterback becomes available on the trade market that you absolutely  love and is a franchise changer then you go and make it happen. cause you don’t know when one of those quarterbacks is going to come back around again. 

No team follows that absurd theory. Point to the Bucs all you want but they spent the #1 overall pick on a QB and built the team around him. It just so happened he wasn’t worth a second contract so they were in position to sign Brady to put them over the top. It was pure lucky timing, nothing else. 

28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

building up the team and then getting your quarterback when it is built up is ideal so you can hit the ground running with the rookie contract QB. However teams aren’t passing up on quarterbacks just because their teams are not built up to their likings. They don’t dick around and say you know what we’ll just wait for two years cause our team isn’t built up enough even though we love this quarterback or there’s a quarterback we feel could be a franchise changer. 

the Cincinnati Bengals weren’t like you know what we can’t take Joe Burrow right now because our team is built up enough. The Cincinnati Bengals were in a much more dire situation then the current Philadelphia eagles and yet they drafted Joe burrow. I don’t see the Cincinnati Bengals saying to themselves damn we should’ve waited. When the Bengals talk Joe Burrow they were anywhere close to being a contending team as they were 2-14. Now they are currently 7-4 with a potential chance to win the AFC North. The LA chargers were also not built up all that much better than what the Eagles are currently when they went out and drafted Herbert. And there was a lot of people down on Justin Herbert and didn’t want to touch him or tua  

The point is you adore and absolutely love a quarterback then draft him regardless of how your team looks currently or if a quarterback becomes available on the trade market that you absolutely  love and is a franchise changer then you go and make it happen. cause you don’t know when one of those quarterbacks is going to come back around again. 

It’s amazing to read the galaxy braining around such a simple concept because you can’t admit Howie made a mistake drafting Hurts in the 2nd and creating the situation he did. 

37 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No team follows that absurd theory. Point to the Bucs all you want but they spent the #1 overall pick on a QB and built the team around him. It just so happened he wasn’t worth a second contract so they were in position to sign Brady to put them over the top. It was pure lucky timing, nothing else. 

I’ve felt this way for a couple of months now I’m not taking a quarterback or trading for one unless I absolutely love the quarterback. I am fine with waiting but the theory we’re just gonna get a quarterback once we have the team built up like it’s magically going to fall into place that a QB we love just appears and can just acquire him  

everyone  who’s like we will just wait to get our quarterback until the team is built up. So 2023 draft comes around, you like two guys but you aren’t picking up high enough to get them. So you’re gonna have to trade a boatload of picks to get one of them if it’s possible. And that’s only if teams picking higher is willing to trade back with you and do not also love those quarterbacks. You could have a situation just like this year where the Jaguars wanted no part of trading with that pick and the Jets love Zack Wilson enough what they weren’t going to trade out. So you could be in this cycle of trying to get your quarterback but stuck in purgatory of not being bad enough to secure a pick high enough for that QB and not good enough to win anything. Plus who knows over the next 2 to 3 years after this upcoming offseason if any of these franchise quarterbacks become available and if you have the assets to acquire them or if you have better assets than another trade vying for him. 

this is why I always say if there’s a quarterback in this draft you absolutely love or a quarterback is available for trade that you absolutely love then you should make that move. Just don’t force it if there’s not. 

39 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve felt this way for a couple of months now I’m not taking a quarterback or trading for one unless I absolutely love the quarterback. I am fine with waiting but the theory we’re just gonna get a quarterback once we have the team built up like it’s magically going to fall into place that a QB we love just appears and can just acquire him  

everyone  who’s like we will just wait to get our quarterback until the team is built up. So 2023 draft comes around, you like two guys but you aren’t picking up high enough to get them. So you’re gonna have to trade a boatload of picks to get one of them if it’s possible. And that’s only if teams picking higher is willing to trade back with you and do not also love those quarterbacks. You could have a situation just like this year where the Jaguars wanted no part of trading with that pick and the Jets love Zack Wilson enough what they weren’t going to trade out. So you could be in this cycle of trying to get your quarterback but stuck in purgatory of not being bad enough to secure a pick high enough for that QB and not good enough to win anything. Plus who knows over the next 2 to 3 years after this upcoming offseason if any of these franchise quarterbacks become available and if you have the assets to acquire them or if you have better assets than another trade vying for him. 

this is why I always say if there’s a quarterback in this draft you absolutely love or a quarterback is available for trade that you absolutely love then you should make that move. Just don’t force it if there’s not. 

Yup. Likewise it’s not so easy to just say "trade back one of your 2022 first for a first next year”. You can’t play both sides of saying there’s no QB worth taking this year while pretending a team is going to trade a haul to move up for something else other than QB, especially when the picks are trending to be in the middle of the first. 

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No you need to build a team that has multiple years of double digit wins before you consider the most important position for some reason that no team ever follows 

What? I’m just pointing out Reagor sucking isn’t on the same level as having a RB play QB 

6 hours ago, austinfan said:

You trade for someone like Wilson AFTER you've built a playoff caliber (10+ wins for multiple seasons) team.

The point of that kind of trade is to put you over the top, not get you int the playoffs.

Until the defense is fixed, no QB will take this team deep into the playoffs.

Wilson got Seattle deep into the playoffs when he had a top 5 defense, when they fell to the middle of the pack, missed PO, 3 straight quick exits.

And who is gonna do that?

People realize it is possible to draft a QB and also work towards building the rest of the team, yes? Drafting a QB doesn't prevent you from doing so.