1 hour ago, justrelax said:

Of course to my uneducated eye it looked like Minshew underthrew about half his passes. When it comes to "arm talent" he is no better than Hurts.

Agreed, he did underthrow a good number of passes, but there's more to a passing game than arm talent.  There's pocket presence, release time, identifying where to go with the ball, going through progressions, etc.   And Minshew looked far better in those areas than Hurts has, even at his best.   But, the arm strength isn't much different.  I would also mention that he didn't get much work with the ones in, and so he might have been underthrowing due to a lack of familiarity with the receivers he was throwing to.  

4 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

It was hit or miss, some of the underthrows were due to the questionable platforms he chose to throw from.  He certainly doesn't have a rocket though.

He has a weak arm, but there were some it looked like he was clearly trying to put touch and loft on. And at least 2 others were off his back foot. Which is a critique of its own I would like to see him stop doing.

I think a decent percentage of his underthrows wouldnt happen if it were his 2nd or 3rd start and he had established more chemistry with these WRs. 

2 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

Anticipation comes with repetition and trust. Personally I think he is in his own head right now and is afraid of making a mistake, so he is not letting it rip. Minshew did not have that same type of pressure on him, so he was more willing to take a shot like that one he threw up for grabs off his back foot to Goedert. That is 

I can probably point to several plays by established QBs over the course of the season that make no sense. Throwing short of the marker on 4th down, forcing a pass into coverage late into a half, etc. All QBs do stupid things at times. I mean Wentz was a better passer then Hurts and how many boneheaded things did he do as a QB? You know like forcing a pass instead of taking the check down? McNabb didn't know that a game could end in a tie. 

This is also why I am interested in seeing how Hurts does in the next game. Sitting on the bench and watching from the sidelines and then getting a bye week might do wonders for Hurts.

Throwing short on 4th down isn't a bad thing in and of itself. Sometimes you do it hoping your guy can make a play and get the first. It's usually a safe throw, and the worst case scenario is you punt it away after. I would love to see Hurts force a pass into coverage. Instead, if his primary read is covered, he takes off and runs. You throw out these general situations but have nothing to show it. 

On 4th down and goal to go, there is no other option. Throw it into the end zone and see what happens. Throwing it out of bounds is inexcusable. And if he's doing that to protect his turnover totals, then he needs to be benched. That's absurd. With 8 seconds left, no timeouts and in the red zone, you have two options. Throw it to your first read if he's open. If he's not, throw the ball away. Hurts instead scrambled around, then threw an INT. Just a complete unawareness of basic football. Cost us the game in the end. 

And McNabb was football dumb too. But at least he had an NFL arm to compensate for it. Wentz tries too hard to be a hero, but again, he has an NFL arm to compensate for his weaknesses. Hurts doesn't have the arm nor the IQ. That's a recipe for him to be a running back rather than a QB. 

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Exactly where I’m at.  Minshew isn’t the answer long term, obviously.  But the more he plays the more the team and other fans (dumb ones) will realize that Hurts is not the guy either.   And that’s all I care about for now.  Until we are able to get the long term answer.  

Yeah. I like Hurts and want him on my team. The problem is finding a spot for him. The Taysom Hill role looks like the answer.  I just don’t think he’ll develop enough as a passer to lead a team to a championship. Maybe a run heavy team with a great great D. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He has a weak arm, but there were some it looked like he was clearly trying to put touch and loft on. And at least 2 others were off his back foot. Which is a critique of its own I would like to see him stop doing.

I think a decent percentage of his underthrows wouldnt happen if it were his 2nd or 3rd start and he had established more chemistry with these WRs. 

I wonder if he still has ghosts of Jacksonville in his head, where he's afraid to step up and deliver in a clean pocket. Cause yeah, he definitely threw off his back foot a lot yesterday. 

28 minutes ago, downundermike said:

What a bunch of nonsense.  The QB debate has nothing to do with skin color. 

That settles it then. Glad you cleared that up.

28 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am team Minshew, does that make me racist ??

Making up a completely different argument to counter a point makes you dumb, not racist.

28 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I mean, I named my first family dog Donovan for F's sake.

Great. You sure know how to make a point. 

 

Hurts will never have this stat line

QB of the future?

JJ McCarthy, Michigan freshman. At the end of the first half against Iowa he threw a Hail Mary from his 30 to the opposing goal line and he whipped it. Great arm. When Harbaugh gets through with him he'll be a top five pick. Can run too.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I am not convinced the Eagles do better than split with the WTF.  Yesterday they beat the worse team in the NFL.  Instead of looking at the W/L (although still not to .500), we need to acknowledge what teams they beat.  Some very bad ones because they were the 4th place team last year  we all joked about Judge’s meltdown about the Eagles tanking last year.  Well 2021 Eagles playoff dreams are as delusional as 2020 giants playoff dreams  

On that second TD to Goedert, I think any QB could have hit that throw. Minshew was entertaining and had a good game.  I liked the trade and liked him in the draft, as a late round quality back up QB.  Glad to see that most are avoiding the unicorns and rainbows vision of the back up QB following a beating on a Little Sisters of the Mercy quality football team.

I wasn’t just laughing at Saleh yesterday, I was rolling.   Brady got fired as an OC.  From the look of things, Sirianni as a "consolation” pick at HC was a serious miss by a few posters in here. He and his coordinators are growing well into their roles. 

Jury is still out on Gannon IMO

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I wonder if he still has ghosts of Jacksonville in his head, where he's afraid to step up and deliver in a clean pocket. Cause yeah, he definitely threw off his back foot a lot yesterday. 

well the ones I noticed were when he was on the move and then faded away instead of stepping in to it. I didnt notice him doing it in the pocket. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

I can list 20-25 QB's I'd rather see in 2022, and would give us a chance in 2022. 

There is nothing that can be said or done that would make me believe hurts is the 2022 opening day QB. 

They would be giving up on the season if they allow him to be the opening day QB next year. 

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I am not convinced the Eagles do better than split with the WTF.  

I am convinced that they will be fortunate to get a split.  I think Washingteam can sweep them.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Jury is still out on Gannon IMO

Gannon keeps creeping back into the light box, soft coverage, 2-deep tendency.  I know he doesn't have the horses - but I don't like this approach under ideal circumstances.

Gannon had a horrific game plan in the first half yesterday. At least he adjusted for the 2nd half and locked it down. I would like to see what he can do when he has an upgrade from Derek Barnett and Singleton on the field. Those two were awful yesterday. 

51 minutes ago, RLC said:

There are legitimate reasons

- He makes the run game better, which is sustainable year to year for QBs who run the ball
- His teammates love him, so there's no issue bringing him back
- He makes 1.5M / Year the next 2 years, so if he's the 2022 starter, our cap problems are solved and we'll be back to even with the league by 2023/2024
- He's improved as a passer every year since college. That could reasonably continue
- Keeping Hurts > drafting a QB in this draft class or trading multiple picks for an expensive QB. Even if Hurts isn't great, Hurts + picks > available QBs

So, you are saying he's better this year as a passer than as a rookie?    I thought he was a rookie.  🤔

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am convinced that they will be fortunate to get a split.  I think Washingteam can sweep them.

Yeah - better QB, better D, starting the run the ball better... no looking good for the good guys (alternatively, great depending on how die-hard of a fan you are).

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

I am not convinced the Eagles do better than split with the WTF.  Yesterday they beat the worse team in the NFL.  Instead of looking at the W/L (although still not to .500), we need to acknowledge what teams they beat.  Some very bad ones because they were the 4th place team last year  we all joked about Judge’s meltdown about the Eagles tanking last year.  Well 2021 Eagles playoff dreams are as delusional as 2020 giants playoff dreams  

On that second TD to Goedert, I think any QB could have hit that throw. Minshew was entertaining and had a good game.  I liked the trade and liked him in the draft, as a late round quality back up QB.  Glad to see that most are avoiding the unicorns and rainbows vision of the back up QB following a beating on a Little Sisters of the Mercy quality football team.

I wasn’t just laughing at Saleh yesterday, I was rolling.   Brady got fired as an OC.  From the look of things, Sirianni as a "consolation” pick at HC was a serious miss by a few posters in here. He and his coordinators are growing well into their roles. 

Honestly believe Brady was made the scapegoat for the panthers and their bad moves. Hard to win in this league when your oline is one of the 10 worst in the league for consecutive years and they really didn’t spend high capital to fix it. They’ve had 7 picks in the first three rounds the last two years and spent one on a olineman and it was a 3rd rounder. And then they traded for Sam Darnold who has not been good behind a bad offensive line just like with the jets. And he’s not good in general. And then when you add in Christian McCaffrey is played 10 games in two years just adds into it. Not sure what they expect any OC to do with a. Bad QB, bad oline and missing their best offensive weapon for 70% of their games the last two seasons. 

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I am convinced that they will be fortunate to get a split.  I think Washingteam can sweep them.

It’s going to get worse. 
 

Minshew having the performance he had right before the bye, only for Hurts to come back and have to play against Washington? Lol. 
 

Im prepared for Hurts worst game of the season in 2 weeks. Hopefully I’m proven wrong. 

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

That's years down the road. I'm only advocating for Hurts in 2022, then making a decision then. We don't have to force a franchise QB decision this off-season.

my only issue with waiting till 2022

This year we have 3 first rd picks, so we could possibly position ourrselves for QB in the draft if we think one is a blue chip franchise prospect.

Or

This year unlike most years, there may be a few Franchise QB's avail via trade/Free agency - This is unusual.

So if we pass up on the rare oppurtunity we find ourselves in this year and wait till 2022 we may not be in position to get a franchise QB. Even in the next 5 years. If We decide to wait till 2022 or later- we better move some of this draft capital to again have at least 2 - 1st rd picks for next year and so on. 

21 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

 

Yep, Minshew made great decisions, but his arm strength looks pretty meh.

Like Taylor Heinecke with a mullet.

 

 

 

I'd take Heinecke over either of these QBs in a second.  

54 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Chuck is awful- must go.  But the Comcast idiots will let him ruin the team for another season or two

And therein lies the rub.  The team is owned by a corporation instead of a billionaire.  They are a nameless and faceless group, where an owner (or even a small ownership group) has a name/s and face/s that fans can direct their ire towards.  Having Comcast own the Flyers is like shouting at the sky because you don't like the weather that day.  Pointless.  As long as that team/investment makes them money they don't really care about winning a Cup.

 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

They would be giving up on the season if they allow him to be the opening day QB next year. 

And we did that exact thing this year. We knew going in this was a throw away season. I'd like for 2022 not to be a throw away. But- Howie is in charge. 

 

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

So if we pass up on the rare oppurtunity we find ourselves in this year and wait till 2022 we may not be in position to get a franchise QB. Even in the next 5 years. If We decide to wait till 2022 or later- we better move some of this draft capital to again have at least 2 - 1st rd picks for next year and so on. 

We should be trading down for future picks no matter what we do.

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

So, you are saying he's better this year as a passer than as a rookie?    I thought he was a rookie.  🤔

That's a dumb narrative TBH.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Brad Johnson's kid is apparently the next Golden Goose. 

When's the next Manning kid due up? Like 2026?