9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Can’t even throw left or over the middle. 

Better completion percentage than Hurts though. 

I’m a little surprised from an analytics perspective that NFL teams in 2021 would cater their offense to a running QB.  When I look at the 2021 passing stats the average YPA (yards-per-attempt) while passing is somewhere around 7.3 — that means every time the QB throws the football the average gain is 7.3 yards.  Hurts ranks tied for 22nd among starting QBs with a 6.9 YPA.

Hurts’ rushing average is 5.7 yards-per-attempt.  Lamar Jackson is 5.8 (he does have a 7.6 YPA passing) — Allen, Herbert and Fields are all 5.6-5.7 …. both Allen and Herbert are above league-average at 7.5 yards per passing attempt.  Fields is where Hurts is, at 6.9

I interpret this as even the best running QBs are operating at about 30% less efficiency by taking off and running with the football as opposed to throwing it.  Certainly there are times where the QB needs to use his legs to move the chains when coverage wins the play.  Not sure the evidence points to a competitive advantage with a dual threat QB, though.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You’re an idiot. No offense.  

No offense taken.  Considering you don't know me personally .  That comment doesn't mean crap to me.  

lol this is the equivalent to calling a play action pass a RPO

3 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

What a bad call.  Not even a hard push and he was trying to reach for the 1st down marker and hadn't landed OOB yet.  Just get it over with and call it the National Flag-Football League.

 

 

6 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Been more fg attempts than passing attempts by Mac Jones.

 

Lol, the other goal posts have been moved the same way too. They should have left them. Add a challenge. 

6 hours ago, eaglestime34 said:

BIll Belichick is a overrated fraud.  He has never won anything without Tom Brady. Playing zone defense in these conditions.  Yeah real smart!

Worst post of the week. Congrats.

4 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

lol this is the equivalent to calling a play action pass a RPO

Joe Judge says it was a gimmick 

4 hours ago, eaglestime34 said:

No offense taken.  Considering you don't know me personally .  That comment doesn't mean crap to me.  

hey man it should, I believe on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the mt everest of idiot, you my friend are at the peak, yep, its true, you're an idiot, you should start paying for your own internet also, get out of your parents basement, and you're a poser

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m a little surprised from an analytics perspective that NFL teams in 2021 would cater their offense to a running QB.  When I look at the 2021 passing stats the average YPA (yards-per-attempt) while passing is somewhere around 7.3 — that means every time the QB throws the football the average gain is 7.3 yards.  Hurts ranks tied for 22nd among starting QBs with a 6.9 YPA.

Hurts’ rushing average is 5.7 yards-per-attempt.  Lamar Jackson is 5.8 (he does have a 7.6 YPA passing) — Allen, Herbert and Fields are all 5.6-5.7 …. both Allen and Herbert are above league-average at 7.5 yards per passing attempt.  Fields is where Hurts is, at 6.9

I interpret this as even the best running QBs are operating at about 30% less efficiency by taking off and running with the football as opposed to throwing it.  Certainly there are times where the QB needs to use his legs to move the chains when coverage wins the play.  Not sure the evidence points to a competitive advantage with a dual threat QB, though.

I’m curious, how are sacks handled in this equation? I assume the negative yardage is applied, but is it also considered an attempt?

You could also argue that a rQB helps out the rushing offense in general - but I think the big piece that is missing from the pQB perspective is the holding/DPI/roughing the passer penalties that represent huge plays or keep drives going.  

Pats D is tops in the league for a reason ,well coached 

pats would be my choice coming out of the afc 

1 hour ago, olsilverhair said:

hey man it should, I believe on a scale of 1 to 10, with 10 being the mt everest of idiot, you my friend are at the peak, yep, its true, you're an idiot, you should start paying for your own internet also, get out of your parents basement, and you're a poser

Hey the Pats offense last night had to remind you of the good ole days of listening to games on the radio 

12 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Pats D is tops in the league for a reason ,well coached 

pats would be my choice coming out of the afc 

Brady is the GOAT but it wasn’t only him all those years. 

3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Brady is the GOAT but it wasn’t only him all those years. 

Though him taking lower contracts than he could‘ve does play a role in that too.

The idea that Belicheck outcoached McDermott when bad weather favors the Pats personnel over the Bills personnel is laughable. 

20 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Brady is the GOAT but it wasn’t only him all those years. 

Greatest coach and greatest QB , Brady has proving he can win without Belichick , he is 17-3 last 20 games and a super bowl , hopefully they can play each other this year in the Super Bowl 

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

The idea that Belicheck outcoached McDermott when bad weather favors the Pats personnel over the Bills personnel is laughable. 

Love Daboll and his offensive philosophy, but when you play in Buffalo you have to be able to run when needed. The Bills couldn’t last night unless it was Josh Allen.

Still just trying to figure out why Jalen Hurts is untouchable as the starter.  He ranks as follows in passing categories:

Completions- 22nd

Attempts- 22nd

TDs- 23rd

INTs- 15th

Completion %- 28th

YPC- 24th

Yards- 22nd

QRR- 28th

 

Hurts is in the bottom1/3rd of nearly every QB statistic. The two big ones that directly relate to his talent, QBR and Completion %, he's 28th in the league.  How can anyone defend that without using his running skills as an argument? You can argue that yards per completion could be a result of the plays called or the guys catching the ball but that also could fall on his shoulders.  The NFL has never been more geared to favor the passing game and that's what he does worst.  

I'm repeating myself now and starting to kick a dead horse, but we need to know what Nick Sirianni's offense is.  Having Hurts at QB doesn't allow Sirianni to call the offense he installed and wants from his team.  Minshew is not the long-term answer at QB but he can run the offense as it's intended.  

Hurts probably just needs to suck one or two more times and he's done

30 minutes ago, RLC said:

The idea that Belicheck outcoached McDermott when bad weather favors the Pats personnel over the Bills personnel is laughable. 

The Bills have a very good defense themselves…and the Bills have a qb with a vastly stronger arm who is very mobile himself, all things that help in the elements.  Pats qb has a weaker arm and zero mobility.  

The Pats were definitely better prepared for that.

7 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

I’m a little surprised from an analytics perspective that NFL teams in 2021 would cater their offense to a running QB.  When I look at the 2021 passing stats the average YPA (yards-per-attempt) while passing is somewhere around 7.3 — that means every time the QB throws the football the average gain is 7.3 yards.  Hurts ranks tied for 22nd among starting QBs with a 6.9 YPA.

Hurts’ rushing average is 5.7 yards-per-attempt.  Lamar Jackson is 5.8 (he does have a 7.6 YPA passing) — Allen, Herbert and Fields are all 5.6-5.7 …. both Allen and Herbert are above league-average at 7.5 yards per passing attempt.  Fields is where Hurts is, at 6.9

I interpret this as even the best running QBs are operating at about 30% less efficiency by taking off and running with the football as opposed to throwing it.  Certainly there are times where the QB needs to use his legs to move the chains when coverage wins the play.  Not sure the evidence points to a competitive advantage with a dual threat QB, though.

There are a lot more factors involved. If it just came down to YPA, nobody would ever have to go for it on 4th down and 3rd downs would be rare and their conversions would be  around 100%. Every pass play has a much higher potential for a turnover. Every play has a chance for a fumble as you have the snap, the handoff / pitch, and carrying the ball. On passing downs, you have all those plus the potential for an INT as well. There's also a very relevant argument about time of possession and how winning that battle helps your team, keeps your defense rested and lowers the snap count for players, thus decreasing injury potential. Teams also tend to run more often to convert short yardage situations. Another less significant factor is victory formation where you lose 1-2 yards as opposed to clocking the ball with a pass which nets zero loss or gain. 

11 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

I remember doing that 3 times as a youth.

First time was probably about 11-12.  We got dismissed early from school due to snow so decided to play a tackle football game in the rectangular cul-de-sac around the corner from my street.   For some reason we decided to play by time instead of by whoever scores X amount of points first wins.  Someone had a stop watch so we went by that, which was set on top of a parked car and checked now and then.  There was time for one last play and my team was trailing by less than 6 points.  For some reason I was left mostly uncovered on the outside from 'midfield' and my friend the QB threw it up towards me where I laid out and made a diving catch and hydroplaned past the GL for the game winning TD.

Second time we had this big open field behind our development where we had painted (with spray paint) a 60 yard football field (about 25-30 yards wide with 10 yard EZs).  It snowed heavy the day before and there were 3-4' snow drifts that covered 1/3 of the field along the one sideline.  It was all neighbourhood kids with older and younger brothers so we had 2 'big kids' and 4 'little kids' per side.  My side was up a TD and the other side was driving for TD to tie.  This was back when PSU had Shane Conlan so I had my down vest with a generic PSU jersey over the top and tied at the back.  My friend tried throwing a pass over the middle which I leaped and picked off then started to run for a pick-6.  He had the angle on me so I had no choice but to try my luck with the snow drifts, which I got tackled by the big walls of snow.  We scored several plays later to win the game.

Then after HS when most of us either worked or were in college we had Christmas Bowl tackle football games which really beat the Hell out of all of us.  I'd be sore for 2-3 days after.  But the one year when I woke up and looked at the thermometer between by bedroom window and the screen it read 13 degrees.  It had snow a day or two before, but when we got the field we played on it was a sheet of ice.  That was a rough game and being tackled was like hitting concrete and trying to cover anyone on a route was difficult. 

Three great memories I'm glad to have, though.

 

I have friends who own a cabin on the shore of Lake Superior, although cabin is really a misnomer. It is huge and has everything. I went up there with a group of friends - this was about 1970. January. 40 below. There was no running water because the pipes would burst and no TV because in those days everything was tubes. We lit fires in the fireplaces and turned on space heaters. There was an outhouse and we ran a rope out to it because a blizzard was due and you couldn't see three feet in front of you. Two days later it had warmed up enough inside that we could turn on the TV.

We drank a lot of brandy.

Then the weather broke, it warmed up to zero, and we went out and played football in sweatshirts. After the bitter cold, it felt like spring. 

Then we went in and drank more brandy.

8 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Can’t even throw left or over the middle. 

I wonder what it would have looked like for Hurts throwing into the wind? 😉

7 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I wonder what it would have looked like for Hurts throwing into the wind? 😉

Would have looked like a well lit Christmas tree, equal parts green, red, and white.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Would have looked like a well lit Christmas tree, equal parts green, red, and white.

In front or behind the LOS?