23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Carolina’s issue run deeper than rhule. Not winning anything until you get an offensive line that isn’t bottom 10 in the league. Only way to do that is draft and develop and sign a guy or two. It was the problem even before rhule got there but they went defensive heavy his first year with a emdeaft they took entirely defense. Also they need a better QB than bridgewater, darnold and declined cam Newton. Not sure many coaches are winning more than 6-8 games with those 3 QBs as their starters. 

Team is getting worse not better , that falls on Rhule , he has done a awful job to date 

Lol

 

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So a coach going another rung up the ladder at each stop makes him "erratic"?  

 

Let's see.

 

Position coach in the NFL > Head Coach Temple > Head Coach of Baylor > Head Coach of an NFL team where he makes $8.8 Million a Year!

 

Yeah....that guy make some questionable decisions.  

 

Like I said...you should

 

 

If he dies, he dies

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

No body.. NO BODY said it was questionable... But not being able to stay in one place(for whatever reason) is the definition of erratic. 

Would you trust someone who left  3 jobs in 8 years... I sure as F**** wouldnt. 

Each job he took was better then the last

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Love Daboll and his offensive philosophy, but when you play in Buffalo you have to be able to run when needed. The Bills couldn’t last night unless it was Josh Allen.

Fully agree with you there. That's a personnel issue. Their backs stink. 

When you have RBs that can't create at all, it's tough sledding. 

11 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Team is getting worse not better , that falls on Rhule , he has done a awful job to date 

Please let me know how many coaches you think would have overwhelming success with darnold/pj walker/cam (now), bottom 10 oline and missing their best offensive player for 70% of their games the last 2 years.If they somehow beat atlanta and the saints down the stretch they’d have 7 wins on the year which really is about where they should be considering the garbage they have at QB, bottom 10 oline and missing their best player for majority of the season. Now if you want to grill him for the darnold trade I’m for that. However based off talent they have on offense no one is making them a top 10 offense with cmc basically hurt every week, bad oline and bad QB play. And the QB play isn’t just a Carolina issue. Cam can’t throw anymore that was evident in New England. Darnold sucked with the jets as well. And Walker is a backup. I’d take hurts and minshew over any of those QBs on the panthers. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

You know what, you're right. Joe Brady made the best decision ever. Everyone should trust Matt Rhule. Panthers are a great organization. It was an amazing job. 

 

Man, you can't admit a bad take eh?

When he went there, CMC hadn't become a walking injury yet, they had DJ Moore, Robby Anderson and Curtis Samuel, and Teddy B coming off a decent recovery year. There was lots to work with as an up and coming offensive coach. And as others have noted, Rhule was taking progressively better jobs every year. And as far as Brady, first you take the OC job, and if you excel there, the next step in NFL head coach, which is the ultimate goal for a lot of these guys. It made all the sense in the world at the time. 

3 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I don’t need to know you.  It’s easy to figure out when you make moronic posts.   

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Ah it's been too long for a Blog beatdown of Bacarty. I missed this. 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Please let me know how many coaches you think would have overwhelming success with darnold/pj walker/cam (now), bottom 10 oline and missing their best offensive player for 70% of their games the last 2 years.If they somehow beat atlanta and the saints down the stretch they’d have 7 wins on the year which really is about where they should be considering the garbage they have at QB, bottom 10 oline and missing their best player for majority of the season. Now if you want to grill him for the darnold trade I’m for that. However based off talent they have on offense no one is making them a top 10 offense with cmc basically hurt every week, bad oline and bad QB play. And the QB play isn’t just a Carolina issue. Cam can’t throw anymore that was evident in New England. Darnold sucked with the jets as well. And Walker is a backup. I’d take hurts and minshew over any of those QBs on the panthers. 

Rhule brought Darnold in , stop with excuses , he has been bad as a HC in the NFL

Since Rhule is such a bad coach, maybe he'll trade us Joyce Horn for pennies on the dollar before he gets fired 

13 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

This is all false, Carolina is a great landing spot. they have a ton of talent, they know exactly what there doing. People would kill to work in Carolina

Really have you looked at the offensive line play this year? It’s been bad since cam newton left originally. Pro football focus last year had them as one of the worst offensive lines in the league last year. This year they are actually worse.
 

Christian McCaffrey has played 10 games in two years. That means out of 33 games in 2020 and 2021 he’s played in 30%. And the Quarterback play is Sam Darnold, P.J. Walker and a done for cam Newton. You somehow think that’s good offense and tell him because they have DJ Moore in Robby Anderson.  Meanwhile they can’t pass protect and they don’t have a quarterback that consistently get the ball to those two wide receivers. I don’t care how much talent you think they have at the school position if you don’t have a decent offensive line and a quarterback it doesn’t matter.

so you’re telling me it’s false that around the league it’s known Carolina has a bad offensive line and bad quarterback play. so it’s also false narratives also that Christian McCaffrey has played 10 games in two years. Yes those are all false 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I just learned that Carolina is a hot bed of talent, amazing place to flourish and even getting fired still makes it a great life decision. 

We live in bizaro world. 

 

Naw, just you living in the bizarro world. You ever hear of hindsight? 

Carolina also fired their GM after the 2020 season, and Kuechly retired in January 2020, which Rhule/Brady wouldn't have known about before signing on. Then they drafted Horn for some reason instead of addressing O-line (Slater would've helped them way more). Rhule gets some blame for not pushing for a better o-line and being unable to develop a QB  (though the two are intrinsically tied together), but CMC becoming super brittle and losing the heart and soul of the team set them back significantly I'd say. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

So let me get this straight, Panthers went 7-9, 5-11, fired there entire coaching staff, built there offense around a running back, they have no QB and you're getting hitched with a dude on his 3rd job in 6 years and you think thats a good decision lol. 

The selling point is DJ moore and Teddy Bridgewater LOL BIZARO WORLD. 

Burns, Reddick, Chinn, Horn on defense just to make a few

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Naw, just you living in the bizarro world. You ever hear of hindsight? 

Captain Hindsight? 

45 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Rhule brought Darnold in , stop with excuses , he has been bad as a HC in the NFL

And I said in that paragraph if you would’ve read it if you want to get on him about bringing in Sam Darnold that’s fine.

where did I say he’s done a good job? I have never said that. Please let me know when the NFL is able to make Sam Darnold, P.J. Walker and a declined cam Newton with a bad oline and their best player out 70% of the time looking consistently good. if you think most head coach is going to look good with those things then I don’t know what to tell you. If you put Bruce Arians as a head coach with that offense that offense isnt looking much better. 

He inherited a team that had a bad offensive line to begin with, declining quarterback and a defense that needed to be completely rebuilt as they were 31st in ppg, 29th against the run and 14th against the pass in 2019. hence why their entire 2020 draft was strictly all defense. When he took the job it was known it wasn’t going to be a quick fix. Outside of DJ Moore and Christian McCaffrey how many players did he inherit that were in their primes and very good? Maybe 2 other players besides them. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

So let me get this straight, Panthers went 7-9, 5-11, fired there entire coaching staff, built there offense around a running back, they have no QB and you're getting hitched with a dude on his 3rd job in 6 years and you think thats a good decision lol. 

The selling point is DJ moore and Teddy Bridgewater LOL BIZARO WORLD. 

Sigh. You clearly don't know what hindsight is then.

So yes, going back to end of 2019, Teddy B had rehabbed his horrible injury, and in 5 starts with the Saints, went 5-0, with 9 TDs and 2 Ints. 68% completion percentage. He looked to be recovered, and decent enough option for QB. DJ Moore and Robby Anderson is a really good WR combo. And yeah, CMC who hadn't been injured to that point was the best RB in the league, and possibly the best offensive weapon in the league. So for a young, offensive minded coach, there was a LOT to like about the job. Things turned out very differently, because Teddy B is not good, and is made much worse with a terrible o-line. CMC then getting hurt basically cratered the team. 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Carolina also fired their GM after the 2020 season, and Kuechly retired in January 2020, which Rhule/Brady wouldn't have known about before signing on. Then they drafted Horn for some reason instead of addressing O-line (Slater would've helped them way more). Rhule gets some blame for not pushing for a better o-line and being unable to develop a QB  (though the two are intrinsically tied together), but CMC becoming super brittle and losing the heart and soul of the team set them back significantly I'd say. 

Yup.

The Panthers not giving up a 3 for Andre Dillard didn't make sense to me. They'll give up a 2/4 for Darnold, but not actual OL? 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Why would the OC give a flying F about "pretty good players" on defense. 

I cant believe Carolina Panthers offense is a die people are willing to die on but here we are 

I can't believe a human being is this dense, but maybe this is just you trolling again.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Why would the OC give a flying F about "pretty good players" on defense. 

I cant believe Carolina Panthers offense is a die people are willing to die on but here we are 

I ment to quote your post which you sarcastically said that "Carolina is a hot bed of talent"

12 hours ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

I miss having a fullback. 
 

Hey let’s just get Hurts to put on 20lbs and there we go 

JJAW is clearly the answer at Fullback.  Hurts can't catch.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

That was NEVER the discussion.  You made it about that because you ere getting smoked on the original topics.  

 

Carolina could have made a bad hire....sure.  That owner is loaded....and he throws money around like a moron.   But that is exactly why you are dead WRONG for criticizing Rhule for taking the job.....and also dead wrong about Brady taking the job in the NFL as well.  That's the original points.  You can try to change the topic all you want.  

 

I would be a bad hire as well.  If they wanted to pay me $8.8 million dollars to coach....I shouldn't take it because I would be considered "erratic"?  

It's even worse than that. You'd be making a bad decision by taking an OC job because the guy they hired to be the HC kept progressing in his coaching career. That's essentially what he's arguing. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I dont give a flying F that Rhule took the job. GOOD FOR HIM!!! MAKE THAT MONEY!!!!!  

I also dont care if Carolina made a bad hire truly dont give a poop. 

My point is, Panthers had little to no offensive talent who just hired a coach who bounces around a lot while designing there offense around a running back like it's 1981

^thats why I think it was a bad decision for Brady. 

And Since the Panthers offense looked like hot garbage and he got fired I would say it was a bad decision.

BUT! you think(for some reason) the Panthers OC job is some EPIC spot with huge upside and  amazing landing place and he HAD to take it

Just flat out wrong. 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

 

That guy is a complete dunce as well.  

I’m not even defending that Matt Rhule has been good. He hasn’t. He screwed up with the darnold trade. I actually would argue I’d rather take a shot with Sam Darnold actually reaching his potential then Teddy Bridgewater who is A game manager stop gap. The thing that he got wrong and the Panthers got wrong was what they gave up in that trade and promised to Sam Darnold in the fifth year option  

but when he took over that team that they were a bad football team and when he got there had massive issues on both sides of the ball. He inherited a defense that was ranked 31st in the league in points per game allowed, 29th in the league in rushing yards allowed and 14th in passing yards allowed in 2019 (which would be even worse except for the fact teams just ran the ball on them). Their oline was ranked bottom 1/3 in the league by pff. And over the hill QB in cam  

So they needed to rebuild an entire defense when he got there. Hence their entire 2020 draft was strictly defense. They also have had a bad offensive line since 2017. They had DJ Moore and Christian McCaffrey as playmakers on offense when he got there. However Christian McCaffrey has played in only 30% of the Carolina Panthers games with rhule. Rhule hasn’t done a good job and i wouldn’t argue he has. But some of the panthers issues stem from issues prior to him getting here. 

32 minutes ago, RLC said:

Fully agree with you there. That's a personnel issue. Their backs stink. 

When you have RBs that can't create at all, it's tough sledding. 

I think the Bill's problem is their interior o-line which seemed to not get much push.  Their backs are mediocre but if you put Singletary on the Eagles he would probably get between 4 to 5 yards per carry.  Not having better talent at RB is inexcusable because RB talent is cheap.  They certainly need more of it. The real difference in play was their o-line vs. NE's defense.  I just don't think the Bills' o-line is good enough.