7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

In a heart beat. In a normal Year we get 1 1st rd pick. We hit on about 30-50% of our high draft picks under howie. We could pick 3 players with those picks and still not have a player who will make as much of an impact as an ELITE QB. 

I would gladly trade all 3 1st rd picks this year for a legit QB whom we could have for 5-6 years. We would still have every other pick this year and all our picks next year. 

Do you think we're a QB away from contending?

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Do you think we're a QB away from contending?

No- But I know if we dont have one, we have ZERO shot. An elite QB, and add some defensive pieces and we could easily win the division next year and go deep into the playoffs. With our young and talented Oline,  A Legit QB would elevate our young WR and TE group. 

 

 

The NFC South and North have 1 legit QB each - 1 will be traded and the other will be 45 next year.

The West is tough but not unbeatable.

If we get Wilson/Watson/Rodgers, we have the best QB in the NFC Least along with the best O-Line.

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

David Ojabo's testing will be fascinating. He's the #2 EDGE on his team, so he got less attention, but he might test as a top 3% EDGE. Odafe had zero sacks last year and had a good rookie year.

I have no issue betting on traits at EDGE.

Mike Mamula

59 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Completely agree, and I would add Rodgers. No one is playing better than Rodgers right now. 

I just don't like him

1 minute ago, greend said:

I just don't like him

You should write him a letter and tell him all about it 

1 hour ago, NCiggles said:

I mean I think Watson was rightfully upset at the Texans trading Hopkins for a bag of chips. I think their FO and management is dysfunctional.  They made the problem worse by promising him input in coaching decisions and then ignoring him.  I don't think Watson wasn't at fault for demanding a trade. I certainly don't think it was crazy out of line given the circumstances. I mean was Eli a bad person for telling San Diego he didn't want to play for them and making them trade him.  

Always yes

3 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

The NFC South and North have 1 legit QB each - 1 will be traded and the other will be 45 next year.

The West is tough but not unbeatable.

If we get Wilson/Watson/Rodgers, we have the best QB in the NFC Least along with the best O-Line.

AGREED. We would immediately have the Best QB in our Division. 

McShay's mock draft has us taking:

David Ojabo

Devin Lloyd

Garret Wilson

https://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2022/insider/story/_/id/32855847/nfl-mock-draft-2022-todd-mcshay-early-predictions-all-32-first-round-picks-including-qb-landing-spots

52 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I’m betting on Gettlemen getting canned and someone else making the picks.  So yes, smarter picks.  

I am not convinced Gettlemen will get canned.  I also think they may keep Judge.  Also, they are a likely landing spot for Wilson.  I could definitely see a new GM come in and trade both first rounders for him.  

Hurts is above average in attempts above 15 yards and league average in completion rate in throws above 15 yards. For reference, he's completing more deep passes on a rate basis than Mahomes, Dak, Rodgers, etc. (No, he's not better than those QBs). 

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

The Get Up crew talked with McShay about our QB status and he said the same thing Daniel Jeremiah said a little while ago:

No QB in this year's draft is enough of an upgrade over Hurts to warrant a 1st rd selection, but if the Eagles can get Wilson/Watson/Rodgers, go get one of them.

And the #1 reason to go get one of those QB's, is to see Howie apologist afan try and spin it after he has been 100% against it.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So predictable.  Pay up.   

That fraud put me on ignore again.  What an absolute clown.  RTK has some work to do to reclaim his title as the board clown.

56 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Would you trade all 3 first rounders for Wilson, Watson, or Rodgers?

No.  Maybe 1, possibly 2.  

53 minutes ago, RLC said:

David Ojabo's testing will be fascinating. He's the #2 EDGE on his team, so he got less attention, but he might test as a top 3% EDGE. Odafe had zero sacks last year and had a good rookie year.

I have no issue betting on traits at EDGE.

He’s a more productive version of Oweh from last year. That guy hardly made any plays at Penn State, but he’s having a good rookie year with Baltimore.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Would you trade all 3 first rounders for Wilson, Watson, or Rodgers?

All 3 for Rodgers in a heartbeat. He might be the best ever. That Packers organization has been a mess since he’s been there and he singlehandedly keeps them competitive.

It sounds like Russell Wilson wants to play for the Giants.

Some of you guys are licking serious toad this morning.  Just because the Eagles have 3 first round draft picks in 2022 doesn't mean you trade all three for a player; I don't care who the player is.  Let's ignore for the time being that none of these QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson) have indicated they would waive a no-trade clause to come to Philly.  The trade compensation for an over-30 (or almost-incarcerated) QB is not 3 first round picks -- never has been, and won't be in the future.  

The trade compensation would be ONE 2022 first round pick, a future (2023) first round pick, plus a mid-round pick or player.  Any GM should be fired for offering up more.

None of these QBs will have an open bidding war for their services because:

1)  They're NOT free agents -- none of them

2)  They have no-trade clauses, and the list of teams they'll waive it for will be minimal.  Include Rodgers in there because he'll make clear to GB he won't report to any team not on his approved list.

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts is above average in attempts above 15 yards and league average in completion rate in throws above 15 yards. For reference, he's completing more deep passes on a rate basis than Mahomes, Dak, Rodgers, etc. (No, he's not better than those QBs). 

Really cool stats, thanks for posting. 

Observations:

First, Brady is from another planet.  There's no other explanation.

Second, Siri seems to like to air it out more than I would have thought watching the games.  20+% of all passing plays are for > 15 yards?  

Third, Daniel Jones is among the league leaders in passing completions > 15 yards?  Who would have thought that?

Finally, making me think this is a really pointless stat: Cam Newton is #1 in completion % in plays > 15 yards.

 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Some of you guys are licking serious toad this morning.  Just because the Eagles have 3 first round draft picks in 2022 doesn't mean you trade all three for a player; I don't care who the player is.  Let's ignore for the time being that none of these QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson) have indicated they would waive a no-trade clause to come to Philly.  The trade compensation for an over-30 (or almost-incarcerated) QB is not 3 first round picks -- never has been, and won't be in the future.  

The trade compensation would be ONE 2022 first round pick, a future (2023) first round pick, plus a mid-round pick or player.  Any GM should be fired for offering up more.

None of these QBs will have an open bidding war for their services because:

1)  They're NOT free agents -- none of them

2)  They have no-trade clauses, and the list of teams they'll waive it for will be minimal.  Include Rodgers in there because he'll make clear to GB he won't report to any team not on his approved list.

Here is all I know:

You miss 100% of the shots you DONT TAKE.

We have the capital, we have a MASSIVE HOLE AT QB, and this may be an extremely rare year where 3 top QB's might get traded.

 

YOU HAVE TO TRY...

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

And the #1 reason to go get one of those QB's, is to see Howie apologist afan try and spin it after he has been 100% against it.

This is where you are wrong.  Afan isn't a Howie apologist. He is an Eagles apologist.  He defended Chip Kelly as much as anyone after Chip banished Howie.  It's more about trying to understand the reasoning of the team than a personal position.  

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

The trade compensation would be ONE 2022 first round pick, a future (2023) first round pick, plus a mid-round pick or player.  Any GM should be fired for offering up more.

This sounds about right.  

I would be tempted to package up those picks to go and get Matt Corral, given what I have seen on him I think he could be an outstanding pro.

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Some of you guys are licking serious toad this morning.  Just because the Eagles have 3 first round draft picks in 2022 doesn't mean you trade all three for a player; I don't care who the player is.  Let's ignore for the time being that none of these QBs (Rodgers, Wilson, Watson) have indicated they would waive a no-trade clause to come to Philly.  The trade compensation for an over-30 (or almost-incarcerated) QB is not 3 first round picks -- never has been, and won't be in the future.  

The trade compensation would be ONE 2022 first round pick, a future (2023) first round pick, plus a mid-round pick or player.  Any GM should be fired for offering up more.

None of these QBs will have an open bidding war for their services because:

1)  They're NOT free agents -- none of them

2)  They have no-trade clauses, and the list of teams they'll waive it for will be minimal.  Include Rodgers in there because he'll make clear to GB he won't report to any team not on his approved list.

When was the last time a future HOF QB was available to trade for?

IIRC Peyton was a FA

Not sure we know what the compensation is until it happens. Hopefully the team would be smart enough to have security if whoever it is ends up wanting to go to a real contender the next year or just retires

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Here is all I know:

You miss 100% of the shots you DONT TAKE.

We have the capital, we have a MASSIVE HOLE AT QB, and this may be an extremely rare year where 3 top QB's might get traded.

 

YOU HAVE TO TRY...

Nobody is saying Howie won't due his due diligence.  He'll make calls on Wilson and Watson (if he settles his lawsuits), likely be less involved on Rodgers -- but he's hanging up the phone if SEA or HOU asks for all 3 first round picks.

The Rams paid too much for Stafford because they're completely sold out in win-now mode.  Most GMs aren't going to pay that price.

3 minutes ago, EricAllenPick6 said:

Really cool stats, thanks for posting. 

Observations:

First, Brady is from another planet.  There's no other explanation.

Second, Siri seems to like to air it out more than I would have thought watching the games.  20+% of all passing plays are for > 15 yards?  

Third, Daniel Jones is among the league leaders in passing completions > 15 yards?  Who would have thought that?

Finally, making me think this is a really pointless stat: Cam Newton is #1 in completion % in plays > 15 yards.

 

Well I think the takeaway is throws of 15+ yards are inherently more likely to be incomplete. The guys with the highest completion percentage on all throws have a 15+ yard completion percentage that is significantly lower than their all throws total. 

So, good QBs seem to limit the amount of times they throw more than 15 yards. It seems most are under 20% of their throws being more than 15 yards. The only ones over 20% are Hurts, Mayfield, Russ Wilson, Fields, Siemian, and PJ Walker. 

Hurts, Russ, Fields and Walker all seem like guys who will run around behind the LOS waiting for a big play to open downfield. Rather than just take a shorter, higher percentage throw that may not yield as many yards. It's not a good thing. 

Considering almost all of the completion rates are under 50%, it would seem to me that you would want to limit the total amount of 15+ yard throws. 

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

This is where you are wrong.  A fan isn't a Howie apologist. He is an Eagles apologist.  He defended Chip Kelly as much as anyone after Chip banished Howie.  It's more about trying to understand the reasoning of the team than a personal position.  

I must disagree.

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

The Get Up crew talked with McShay about our QB status and he said the same thing Daniel Jeremiah said a little while ago:

No QB in this year's draft is enough of an upgrade over Hurts to warrant a 1st rd selection, but if the Eagles can get Wilson/Watson/Rodgers, go get one of them.

Would they say the same thing about Minshew? We can draft a better passer than Hurts round 1.