4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

When was the last time a future HOF QB was available to trade for?

IIRC Peyton was a FA

Not sure we know what the compensation is until it happens. Hopefully the team would be smart enough to have security if whoever it is ends up wanting to go to a real contender the next year or just retires

What condition are you getting them in?  I'm not paying for what the player has been; I'm paying for what their future value is to me.

 

Rodgers is 38.  Rodgers is also a flake, who could retire tomorrow.  Rodgers also throws his organization under the bus whenever HE fails to deliver in the playoffs

Watson will be quite fortunate to play football in 2022.  It's a positive sign he hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime (yet).  Until his legal troubles are behind him he's not worth much, though.  I didn't even want him before I knew about the legal issues because of his NBA-style power move against the Texans organization.

Wilson might be the most appealing of the three, but he's also likely past his prime.  He's 33, been punished a lot, and his effectiveness relies on his full mobility, at least in part.  

I don't see any of them as being worth writing a blank check.

9 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Nobody is saying Howie won't due his due diligence.  He'll make calls on Wilson and Watson (if he settles his lawsuits), likely be less involved on Rodgers -- but he's hanging up the phone if SEA or HOU asks for all 3 first round picks.

The Rams paid too much for Stafford because they're completely sold out in win-now mode.  Most GMs aren't going to pay that price.

I would easily trade 3 1sts for Rodgers or Wilson, and 2 1sts for Watson.  And I know if we dont try we wont get one, but we have to try. 

It does not mean we will get one, but we have more capital to spare than any other team. We should be in a position to get one. the tricky part is getting the player to agree. But it's not impossible. 

5 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

I must disagree.

I think if Howie was fired tomorrow and the team hired Gettlemen, we would hear about how Gettlemen has a better track record than Howie as GM.  

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

What condition are you getting them in?  I'm not paying for what the player has been; I'm paying for what their future value is to me.

 

Rodgers is 38.  Rodgers is also a flake, who could retire tomorrow.  Rodgers also throws his organization under the bus whenever HE fails to deliver in the playoffs

Watson will be quite fortunate to play football in 2022.  It's a positive sign he hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime (yet).  Until his legal troubles are behind him he's not worth much, though.  I didn't even want him before I knew about the legal issues because of his NBA-style power move against the Texans organization.

Wilson might be the most appealing of the three, but he's also likely past his prime.  He's 33, been punished a lot, and his effectiveness relies on his full mobility, at least in part.  

I don't see any of them as being worth writing a blank check.

LOL, man you really dont want us to do this, you keep giving all kinds of reasons to not do it.  ALl I know is no one is playing better than Rodgers right now, for a team he doesn't want to be on. Thats good enough for me. 

The market will be what it will be. 

 

Our alternatives are, we get one of these or we stay irrellevant for a few more years. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

What condition are you getting them in?  I'm not paying for what the player has been; I'm paying for what their future value is to me.

 

Rodgers is 38.  Rodgers is also a flake, who could retire tomorrow.  Rodgers also throws his organization under the bus whenever HE fails to deliver in the playoffs

Watson will be quite fortunate to play football in 2022.  It's a positive sign he hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime (yet).  Until his legal troubles are behind him he's not worth much, though.  I didn't even want him before I knew about the legal issues because of his NBA-style power move against the Texans organization.

Wilson might be the most appealing of the three, but he's also likely past his prime.  He's 33, been punished a lot, and his effectiveness relies on his full mobility, at least in part.  

I don't see any of them as being worth writing a blank check.

I never fail to deliver on the playoffs. 

14 hours ago, eagle45 said:

If he were to refuse to come here, everyone would hate him for his misadventures.  If he becomes an Eagle, everyone will dismiss the charges.

Negative.

8 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I would easily trade 3 1sts for Rodgers or Wilson, and 2 1sts for Watson.  And I know if we dont try we wont get one, but we have to try. 

It does not mean we will get one, but we have more capital to spare than any other team. We should be in a position to get one. the tricky part is getting the player to agree. But it's not impossible. 

No chance I give up all 3 firsts for Wilson. It's ridiculous. A first this and a first next, sure. But not three firsts, and all in the same draft. Way too much. 

Just because you have a million dollars, doesn't mean you should spend $900k on a used car that performs reliably. 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I agree.  I'd rather use 2 of the draft picks on defensive help.  And use the other one to trade back to 2023 and hope to get our QB then.  That's what my strategy would be.  Just grin and bear it with Minshew/Hurts for another season.  

I'll just start to tie a noose for myself, and get the chair positioned under the ceiling beams....

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I'll just start to tie a noose for myself, and get the chair positioned under the ceiling beams....

Honestly, I think the defense has been more triggering for me. 

26 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well I think the takeaway is throws of 15+ yards are inherently more likely to be incomplete. The guys with the highest completion percentage on all throws have a 15+ yard completion percentage that is significantly lower than their all throws total. 

So, good QBs seem to limit the amount of times they throw more than 15 yards. It seems most are under 20% of their throws being more than 15 yards. The only ones over 20% are Hurts, Mayfield, Russ Wilson, Fields, Siemian, and PJ Walker. 

Hurts, Russ, Fields and Walker all seem like guys who will run around behind the LOS waiting for a big play to open downfield. Rather than just take a shorter, higher percentage throw that may not yield as many yards. It's not a good thing. 

Considering almost all of the completion rates are under 50%, it would seem to me that you would want to limit the total amount of 15+ yard throws. 

Unless you're Brady who likes to win underneath, it's really hard to constantly win with 5 yard throws. How many other players in the league play like Brady?

The trade off for higher aDot, is lower completion percentage. That's why Herbert is a freak.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

Unless you're Brady who likes to win underneath, it's really hard to constantly win with 5 yard throws. How many other players in the league play like Brady?

The trade off for higher aDot, is lower completion percentage. That's why Herbert is a freak.

I think there's a big delta between throws over 15 yards and 5 yard throws. That chart illustrates very plainly that having more than 20% of your throws go farther than 15 yards is not ideal. It seems to me the magic number is between 15-18%.

Brady has a career yards per attempt of 7.5. That's pretty good. A-rod is 7.8. Brady isn't as much of a dinker and dunker as many think. 

Edit - Brady's aDot was 9.8 last year. 

Brady also leads league in completions over 20 yards , pretty sure he did last year too . Brady uses  the whole field  and will take what’s given to him . It’s just amazing what he has done and is doing at 44 ,  never see it again 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think there's a big delta between throws over 15 yards and 5 yard throws. That chart illustrates very plainly that having more than 20% of your throws go farther than 15 yards is not ideal. It seems to me the magic number is between 15-18%.

Brady has a career yards per attempt of 7.5. That's pretty good. A-rod is 7.8. Brady isn't as much of a dinker and dunker as many think. 

Brady throws "short" most of the time. He just compliments that with taking deep shots. He avoids a lot of the 20 yard passes. It's basically dink & dunk or home run. It's a great approach, but most QBs aren't accurate enough to be good at both. Russell Wilson might be the best deep passer in the NFL history, but he can't consistently hit 5 yard throws in the middle of the field. Brady is a unicorn.

There's also no play-action in the data. Throwing 15 yard over routes against trailing safeties is different than hitting deep digs. 

23 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

LOL, man you really dont want us to do this, you keep giving all kinds of reasons to not do it.  ALl I know is no one is playing better than Rodgers right now, for a team he doesn't want to be on. Thats good enough for me. 

The market will be what it will be. 

 

Our alternatives are, we get one of these or we stay irrellevant for a few more years. 

I wouldn't have anything against trading for Russell Wilson, but it has to be at the right price.  If I had $300,000 in my pocket it doesn't mean I should have to pay you all $300K if the market or my overall financial situation doesn't warrant it.

If I find out in February the Eagles have traded a 2022 1st, a 2023 1st, and Jalen Hurts in exchange for Russell Wilson (or even Watson or Rodgers) -- you wouldn't see me complaining.

Just finished my first fan speak mock draft - thoughts?

AM PICKS

12: R1 P12 EDGE George Karlaftis - Purdue

13: R1 P13 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia

17: R1 P17 CB Ahmad Gardner - Cincinnati

45: R2 P13 LB Devin Lloyd - Utah

77: R3 P13 RB Zach Charbonnet - UCLA

115: R4 P13 G Ed Ingram - LSU

155: R5 P13 WR Romeo Doubs - Nevada

162: R5 P20 CB Kyler Gordon - Washington

174: R5 P32 EDGE Logan Hall - Houston

195: R6 P16 S Jalen Pitre - Baylor

It will be interesting to see how the Eagles come out of the bye week, and if they look fresh and efficient or slow and off. We all remember how well Reids teams would play after rest, but since then it has been downhill. Pederson was 1-4 coming off bye weeks, the only win coming in 2017. 

35 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

What condition are you getting them in?  I'm not paying for what the player has been; I'm paying for what their future value is to me.

 

Rodgers is 38.  Rodgers is also a flake, who could retire tomorrow.  Rodgers also throws his organization under the bus whenever HE fails to deliver in the playoffs

Watson will be quite fortunate to play football in 2022.  It's a positive sign he hasn't been arrested or charged with a crime (yet).  Until his legal troubles are behind him he's not worth much, though.  I didn't even want him before I knew about the legal issues because of his NBA-style power move against the Texans organization.

Wilson might be the most appealing of the three, but he's also likely past his prime.  He's 33, been punished a lot, and his effectiveness relies on his full mobility, at least in part.  

I don't see any of them as being worth writing a blank check.

They were eliminated last year because of the HC. It wasn't on Rodgers

He's still playing at an elite level

I'm not saying I'd give up all 3 for him. I'm just saying there hasn't been anything like this to really tell what's going to happen

3 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Just finished my first fan speak mock draft - thoughts?

AM PICKS

12: R1 P12 EDGE George Karlaftis - Purdue

13: R1 P13 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia

17: R1 P17 CB Ahmad Gardner - Cincinnati

45: R2 P13 LB Devin Lloyd - Utah

77: R3 P13 RB Zach Charbonnet - UCLA

115: R4 P13 G Ed Ingram - LSU

155: R5 P13 WR Romeo Doubs - Nevada

162: R5 P20 CB Kyler Gordon - Washington

174: R5 P32 EDGE Logan Hall - Houston

195: R6 P16 S Jalen Pitre - Baylor

3 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Just finished my first fan speak mock draft - thoughts?

AM PICKS

12: R1 P12 EDGE George Karlaftis - Purdue

13: R1 P13 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia

17: R1 P17 CB Ahmad Gardner - Cincinnati

45: R2 P13 LB Devin Lloyd - Utah

77: R3 P13 RB Zach Charbonnet - UCLA

115: R4 P13 G Ed Ingram - LSU

155: R5 P13 WR Romeo Doubs - Nevada

162: R5 P20 CB Kyler Gordon - Washington

174: R5 P32 EDGE Logan Hall - Houston

195: R6 P16 S Jalen Pitre - Baylor

I think it's important to maximize your 401(k) contributions whenever possible, especially if you get matching funds.  Also, putting money into a Roth IRA will help your retirement as the money grows and is tax-free when you withdraw it.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

They were eliminated last year because of the HC. It wasn't on Rodgers

He's still playing at an elite level

I'm not saying I'd give up all 3 for him. I'm just saying there hasn't been anything like this to really tell what's going to happen

Nah.  Lafleur kicked a FG and got 3 points.  Rodgers missed the broad side of a barn on 6 consecutive red zone throws and had no chance in hell of converting on 4th down.

Bad decision by the head coach -- until you go back and watch Rodgers' previous attempts, not even including foregoing an easy TD run to throw a brick.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It will be interesting to see how the Eagles come out of the bye week, and if they look fresh and efficient or slow and off. We all remember how well Reids teams would play after rest, but since then it has been downhill. Pederson was 1-4 coming off bye weeks, the only win coming in 2017. 

Hurts is not going to let you down.  He's going to do this for the team, the organization, the city -- but most of all, for you.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I wouldn't have anything against trading for Russell Wilson, but it has to be at the right price.  If I had $300,000 in my pocket it doesn't mean I should have to pay you all $300K if the market or my overall financial situation doesn't warrant it.

If I find out in February the Eagles have traded a 2022 1st, a 2023 1st, and Jalen Hurts in exchange for Russell Wilson (or even Watson or Rodgers) -- you wouldn't see me complaining.

The only difference for me, when I see Howies last 3 first round picks, Reagor, Dillard and Smith, I have no problem giving up 3 of them. We usually get one good player out of 3 1st rd draft picks with Howie picking. So, getting an eliete QB? I'm ok. The likelyhood is with those 3 first rd picks we would not get even one player with as much impact as a Wilson or Rodgers. 

 

17 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think there's a big delta between throws over 15 yards and 5 yard throws. That chart illustrates very plainly that having more than 20% of your throws go farther than 15 yards is not ideal. It seems to me the magic number is between 15-18%.

Brady has a career yards per attempt of 7.5. That's pretty good. A-rod is 7.8. Brady isn't as much of a dinker and dunker as many think. 

Edit - Brady's aDot was 9.8 last year. 

And that's why yards per attempt matters.  It bridges the gap between the dinkers/dunkers and the deep ball QB's in the way slugging percentage does for contact hitters and power hitters.

aDot matters...but you really need to follow a team to tease that apart.  Is that low because of the offense or the QB's limitations?  Is it low because the WRs can't separate downfield?  I'm not looking at stats here, but I would bet that Brady's aDot has fluctuated wildly over the course of his career.  The bombs away season to Moss, the check-down years to Welker and his TE's...

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

Brady throws "short" most of the time. He just compliments that with taking deep shots. He avoids a lot of the 20 yard passes. It's basically dink & dunk or home run. It's a great approach, but most QBs aren't accurate enough to be good at both. Russell Wilson might be the best deep passer in the NFL history, but he can't consistently hit 5 yard throws in the middle of the field. Brady is a unicorn.

There's also no play-action in the data. Throwing 15 yard over routes against trailing safeties is different than hitting deep digs. 

My takeaway was it's in a QB's best interest to keep throws of 15+ yards under 20% of their total throws. I'm not sure what exactly you're arguing here? 

 

 

10 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

They were eliminated last year because of the HC. It wasn't on Rodgers

He's still playing at an elite level

I'm not saying I'd give up all 3 for him. I'm just saying there hasn't been anything like this to really tell what's going to happen

Uh, Rodgers could've ran it in at the end of that game. Plenty of blame to be shared between him and Lafleur. 

38 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

No chance I give up all 3 firsts for Wilson. It's ridiculous. A first this and a first next, sure. But not three firsts, and all in the same draft. Way too much. 

Just because you have a million dollars, doesn't mean you should spend $900k on a used car that performs reliably. 

I agree.  Giving up all 3 1sts and then you also have to pay Wilson, Rodgers or Watson their contract on top of that.  Too much.