6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Tutu Atwell is better than DeVonta Smith

That is a reach, but, with 8 offensive snaps and no targets I can already confirm he is better than JJAWful

Just now, downundermike said:

That is a reach, but, with 8 offensive snaps and no targets I can already confirm he is better than JJAWful

Also better than Reagor. 

Can we combine the atrocity that is JJAW and Reagor into one? JJAWGor? ReaJAW? Somebody more creative can do better

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ok man, have at it. All 3 WR rookies have shown flashes, and all 3 look like they'll have nice careers. 13 games is far too small a sample size to definitively say any is better than the others, but sure, die on that hill I guess. 

I think a interesting hindsight and what if scenario is if you ask Atlanta today knowing what happened with Calvin Ridley off the field if they would take Ja’Marr Chase over Kyle Pitts. I think both Chase and Pitts are gonna be really good and potentially great players. I think Atlanta knowing what they know now would probably take Chase over Pitts. Which then becomes interesting because I can see the Bengals if they thought Atlanta was good to take Chase trying to jump up to three and maybe Miami doesn’t move all the way back to 12 with SF and only moves back to 5 with the bengals instead and don’t have to trade their own first round pick. Meanwhile maybe the eagles strike a deal with San Francisco instead of Miami in that scenario. 

 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yep, see my post above. I think all 3 will have nice NFL careers, all look like they belong. So many other factors will come into play (QB play mostly), that's it's just far too early to declare any one of them better than the other 2. 

I agree with you up to the last point. I thought Ja’Marr Chase was better WR than Smith and Wardell coming out. Not that the other two were slouches or anything. I think people just forgot how good chase was because he didn’t play for an entire year. And then people piled on in the training camp/preseason that he was dropping balls. The fact was he hadn’t played in a game in over a year and people are trying to like bash him like he was a bust already. It was always going to take him time to adjust not playing for a year and then adjusting to the NFL 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Also better than Reagor. 

 

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Tutu Atwell is better than DeVonta Smith

Here is something interesting, WR Deebo Samuel, drafted in the 2nd round of the same draft as JJAWful, has more career rushing yards than JJ has receiving yards.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

godwin left 13:36 of the 2nd quarter and next drive evans left around the 9 min mark of the 2nd quarter after making a big reception. 

don’t get me wrong the Saints defensive line played really well. However you also have the benefit of not having Leonard Fournette out there, not having godwin went out there for 3 quarters and not having Evans out there for 2 1/2 quarters. That allows you to play much differently on defense and be much more aggressive as gronk was about the only weapon you could fear and he’s not what he once was 

Frankly I don’t think the Saints run defense was all that great last night. Ronald Jones was picking up big chunk yards and Bruce Arians for some reason just stopped going to him in a one score game.

also wanted to make mention I really thought Bruce Arians did a horrible job last night. On that 4th and 1 they decide to take a deep shot. Meanwhile they only needed a yard as Ronald Jones was averaging 7 yards a carry. 

Agreed. Now imagine having Travis Fulgham as your best receiver (who can’t even stay in the NFL), Greg Ward (who can’t get on the field w/new Coach) and a washed Alshon Jeffrey … and you’re playing behind 2nd and 3rd string Offensive Lineman with a Coach who won’t run the ball. Go get ‘em! 
Almost forgot everyone says you suck cuz your not playing well (shocking). 

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I agree with you up to the last point. I thought Ja’Marr Chase was better WR than Smith and Wardell coming out. Not that the other two were slouches or anything. I think people just forgot how good chase was because he didn’t play for an entire year. And then people piled on in the training camp/preseason that he was dropping balls. The fact was he hadn’t played in a game in over a year and people are trying to like bash him like he was a bust already. It was always going to take him time to adjust not playing for a year and then adjusting to the NFL 

Yes you're likely right. I think Chase is the best of the three, but still, too early to say. He by far has the best QB throwing to him as well as being surrounded by the best skill players (Mixon, Higgins, Boyd). He's in an absolute dream scenario for a rookie WR, except that he has to play for the Bengals. 

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, it is.  

Ok I'll just go with what Nick Saban saw when these two were in the same program at the same time running the same offense and Smith won a Heisman and absolutely dwarfed Waddles numbers in every facet and was handasdown the better player

Again, give Smith 30+ extra targets and we're not even having this conversation.  True Fans would have to admit he's clearly better as the eye test has shown for years

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Looks like 10 targets to me

 

Youre right it was a typo, I fixed it

11 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Tutu Atwell is better than DeVonta Smith

Its early you cant say anything definitively until 10 years after they retire and we can really digest everything

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

4 for 4 made the claim, not me

I said that Chase is arguable but not Waddle.  Smith is better than Waddle and has been for years

Waddle and Smith are totally different players but we won't know how good Smith really is until we have a QB who can get him the ball.  Smith is averaging less than 4 catches per game whereas Waddle is averaging almost 7.

Waddle has 86 catches.  10 ypc

Smith has 50 catches.     14 ypc.

When comparing Waddle and Smith entering the draft, Smith was the savvy, precise route runner who you would think would be a volume WR.  Waddle was the quicker, more dynamic of the two who made more sense as a slot WR and guy you put in motion, think Deebo Samuel.  I never imagined Waddle having that many targets but I also thought he'd have a higher average so he isn't producing the big plays.

Right now, I don't think Waddle is better than Smith or Smith is better than Waddle.  Waddle is benefitting from being fed the ball whereas Smith is suffering from not getting the ball.  If Smith had the same number of catches as Waddle right now he'd have 1,200 yards.  

I've said it plenty of times this year but we won't know how good Smith, Goedert, Watkins or even Reagor can be until we have a quarterback who can get them the ball.  

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

godwin left 13:36 of the 2nd quarter and next drive evans left around the 9 min mark of the 2nd quarter after making a big reception. 

don’t get me wrong the Saints defensive line played really well. However you also have the benefit of not having Leonard Fournette out there, not having godwin went out there for 3 quarters and not having Evans out there for 2 1/2 quarters. That allows you to play much differently on defense and be much more aggressive as gronk was about the only weapon you could fear and he’s not what he once was 

Frankly I don’t think the Saints run defense was all that great last night. Ronald Jones was picking up big chunk yards and Bruce Arians for some reason just stopped going to him in a one score game.

also wanted to make mention I really thought Bruce Arians did a horrible job last night. On that 4th and 1 they decide to take a deep shot. Meanwhile they only needed a yard as Ronald Jones was averaging 7 yards a carry. 

I mean it's not like Brady doesn't play a roll in what is called.  They were daring Tampa to throw deep because they knew they getting pressure up front.  They took away anything over the middle.  I don't know why Tampa didn't just run it but they kept going back to a passing attack.  It killed scoring chances.  I don't think that's all on Arian or Leftwich.  I think there's a probably fair amount that was on Brady.  

11 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Ok man, have at it. All 3 WR rookies have shown flashes, and all 3 look like they'll have nice careers. 13 games is far too small a sample size to definitively say any is better than the others, but sure, die on that hill I guess. 

How about their college careers then?

They played on the same team at the same time.  How did their respective careers work out?

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Seems reasonable.  Who do you predict the Eagles will take with those picks?  You have them moving some capital for a FA QB IIRC.

I dont care if it's this offseason or next, the only real way this bevy of picks really helps us is if we land an elite QB via a trade or a Blue Chip QB Prrospect in the draft. SInce the consensus is that this QB draft is weak, and if we cannot trade for one of Rodgers, WIlson or Watson, then it might be best turn one of those 1st's into an extra 1st for next year. We could also move down with one of those picks to acquire additional draft capital this and next year. 

Otherwise, I'd work on DL, LB's, DB's - Possibly a mid to late pick on a RB. Lord knows we may still need a WR as well. 

 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

How about their college careers then?

They played on the same team at the same time.  How did their respective careers work out?

I mean in terms of actual production, Waddle is better than Smith this year. 13 NFL games. There's a long list of guys who were studs in college who couldn't transition to the NFL. Smith could very well end up being better than Waddle. Maybe even better than Chase. But it's too early to plant your flag and claim it so now. There's nothing to support your argument, except

NoT eNoUgH tArGeTZzzzzzzzzzzZz! 

You sound stupid. 

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Wentz didn't leave because of the OL and rash of injuries on offense every year, although those factors didn't help.

He left because the organization drafted another QB in the 2nd round and benched him in favor of that QB.  The organization refused to give any assurances after the season his job was secure, so his agent requested a trade to a team where his starting job (and contract) was more secure.

Good business on Wentz's part.

Well they drafted JJAW, and Reagor over players who most people wanted, and that could have helped Him. And again drafted Hurts in the 2nd instead of players who could have helped him or this team succeed. Instead we gave him, the always injured Alshon, Peters, Brooks and Djax, Nelson Dropsgalore, Greg Ward, and a bunch of Practice squad WR's, and then benched him when it wasn't going well????

Yeah he isn't missing this place. 

 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

I mean in terms of actual production, Waddle is better than Smith this year. 13 NFL games. There's a long list of guys who were studs in college who couldn't transition to the NFL. Smith could very well end up being better than Waddle. Maybe even better than Chase. But it's too early to plant your flag and claim it so now. There's nothing to support your argument, except

NoT eNoUgH tArGeTZzzzzzzzzzzZz! 

You sound stupid. 

Yeah if you onlylook at raw production, but that would be really stupid wouldnt it, considering Waddle has had over 30 more passes thrown to him?

 

Its not too early to give my opinion, so why dont you stfu

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Well they drafted JJAW, and Reagor over players who most people wanted, and that could have helped Him. And again drafted Hurts in the 2nd instead of players who could have helped him or this team succeed. Instead we gave him, the always injured Alshon, Peters, Brooks and Djax, Nelson Dropsgalore, Greg Ward, and a bunch of Practive squad WR's, and then benched him when it wasn't going well????

Yeah he isn't missing this place. 

 

The franchise basically turned it's back on him, seemingly after the concussion against Seattle, but really before that even. After carrying the team on his back to the playoffs, to have his coach, GM and owner turn their back on you....why the hell would you wanna stay? 

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah if you onlylook at raw production, but that would be really stupid wouldnt it, considering Waddle has had over 30 more passes thrown to him?

 

Its not too early to give my opinion, so why dont you stfu

Yeah, who wants raw production?! Theoretical production is way better! You probably have a lot of imaginary friends too. 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

The franchise basically turned it's back on him, seemingly after the concussion against Seattle, but really before that even. After carrying the team on his back to the playoffs, to have his coach, GM and owner turn their back on you....why the hell would you wanna stay? 

Yeah, who wants raw production?! Theoretical production is way better! 

So what happened in college?

I guess True Fans on the EMB know better than Nick Saban

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I mean it's not like Brady doesn't play a roll in what is called.  They were daring Tampa to throw deep because they knew they getting pressure up front.  They took away anything over the middle.  I don't know why Tampa didn't just run it but they kept going back to a passing attack.  It killed scoring chances.  I don't think that's all on Arian or Leftwich.  I think there's a probably fair amount that was on Brady.  

Oh Brady definitely has blame in this too. His fumble was huge in that game. If they kick a field goal there it’s still 6 to 3 and changes the dynamics of that game. I thought that fumble was a huge deflation for the Buccaneers. And I’m right there with you that I do not understand why they kept going to the passing attack when they were able to run the ball with Ronald Jones. Not only that they took Ronald Jones out for Vaughn who looked lost in that game.

14 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yes you're likely right. I think Chase is the best of the three, but still, too early to say. He by far has the best QB throwing to him as well as being surrounded by the best skill players (Mixon, Higgins, Boyd). He's in an absolute dream scenario for a rookie WR, except that he has to play for the Bengals. 

I actually see burrow being better next year than this year. We forget he is coming off a major knee injury so 2 years removed from that and just progressing in his development should be huge for him and that offense. Bengals still need to upgrade that line. They are still below average imo

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually see burrow being better next year than this year. We forget he is coming off a major knee injury so 2 years removed from that and just progressing in his development should be huge for him and that offense. Bengals still need to upgrade that line. They are still below average imo

I'm really high on Burrow too. Think he's gonna be really great, but also agree, they need to beef up that o-line. 

6 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

So what happened in college?

I guess True Fans on the EMB know better than Nick Saban

Lol, yeah, everybody knows college players are finished products!

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Lol, yeah, everybody knows college players are finished products!

Apparently Hurts, Reagor and JJAWful were...................

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I'm really high on Burrow too. Think he's gonna be really great, but also agree, they need to beef up that o-line. 

Lol, yeah, everybody knows college players are finished products!

There’s certain QBs i love watching when the eagles aren’t playing. Burrow and herbert are two atop of the list. Yesterday was a hard watch with the bengals though. When they are clicking it’s fun to watch. But their oline was handled for most of the day against the broncos and they did enough to just squeak out that game. 

also watched some cam Newton yesterday. Talk about a guy that shouldn’t even be a backup anymore. His arm is shot and he makes stupid decisions. His last interception was a mike McMahon type of throw  

If the Eagles used a 1st round pick on a RB and only gave him 10 carries per game would we call that a waste of a pick or at the very least misuse of the pick?

The Eagles have used 3 high draft picks over the last 3 drafts on WR.  

JJAW was pick 57.  He has 2 catches this year.

Reagor was pick 21.  He has 26 catches.

Smith was pick 10 (traded up).  He has 50 catches.

Combined, they have still have 10 less catches than Waddle.   JJAW is a bust and it's not worth including him in this but their last two 1st round picks are touching the ball a combined 6 times per game.  That's HORRIBLE investment and use or resources.  At minimum, Smith should be touching the ball 6 times per game, let alone Smith and Reagor.  We can complain until we are blue in the face about DK and Jefferson  but what makes the problem even worse is that the Eagles aren't even trying to use the guys they took instead of them. 

They seem to go out of their way to give the ball to Boston Scott yet don't go out of their way to scheme plays where the ball is forced to Smith or Reagor.  

 

22 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

How about their college careers then?

They played on the same team at the same time.  How did their respective careers work out?

THIS AINT COLLEGE!!!!!!