48 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You want someone to change who they are?  Such as it is?  

There is a large portion of the fan base that doesn't like him because he doesn't fit the "Philly culture"...but why is that his fault?

I grew up in an area sort of like where Wentz grew up. It's a LOT different than Philly. And no, it's not anyone's fault but I suspect that was one factor of many in his wanting out.

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If the Eagles used a 1st round pick on a RB and only gave him 10 carries per game would we call that a waste of a pick or at the very least misuse of the pick?

The Eagles have used 3 high draft picks over the last 3 drafts on WR.  

JJAW was pick 57.  He has 2 catches this year.

Reagor was pick 21.  He has 26 catches.

Smith was pick 10 (traded up).  He has 50 catches.

Combined, they have still have 10 less catches than Waddle.   JJAW is a bust and it's not worth including him in this but their last two 1st round picks are touching the ball a combined 6 times per game.  That's HORRIBLE investment and use or resources.  At minimum, Smith should be touching the ball 6 times per game, let alone Smith and Reagor.  We can complain until we are blue in the face about DK and Jefferson  but what makes the problem even worse is that the Eagles aren't even trying to use the guys they took instead of them. 

They seem to go out of their way to give the ball to Boston Scott yet don't go out of their way to scheme plays where the ball is forced to Smith or Reagor.  

 

Handing the ball of for hurts is real easy, completing passes to WR, that has proven to be a bit more difficult for hurts 

Which is why I'm of the camp that hopes the eagles don't use another high pick on WR what's the point if the QB can't get them the ball?

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I'm really high on Burrow too. Think he's gonna be really great, but also agree, they need to beef up that o-line. 

Lol, yeah, everybody knows college players are finished products!

Yeah totally, thats why we cant evaluate anything at all until players are retired.  Really gives us chance to evaluate the whole picture without going out on a limb.

 

Im stunned youre "higher" on all the players that have stats.  

Chase leads the league in drops. Are you waiting and seeing with him, too?

 

All these True Fans rushing to the passionate defense of a player on another team.

Over my dead body will anyone say a player on our team is good!

 

 

Waddle is 5'10" and Chase leads the NFL in drops, I cant imagine what stupid ish you all would have to say if the roles were reversed.

Give Smith a passing QB and throw him the damn ball and the conversation wouldnt exist

1 hour ago, vikas83 said:

Well let's break it down and see where he really ranks:

Inarguably better than Wentz: Rodgers, Brady, Mahomes -- There's no debate here at all. That's 3.

Likely better than Wentz -- Allen, Herbert, Stafford, Murray, Wilson -- I'd take these guys above him, but maybe someone can debate. 5 + 3 = 8 ahead.

Same category as Wentz -- Jones, Carr, Burrow, Lamar, Prescott -- 5 more. So at WORST I'd have him 14. 

I guess people could try and argue Baker, Tannehill, Jimmy G and Cousins...but c'mon. 

8-14 is the range to me.

I think Baker is probably the closest to him in terms of performance.  I mean in the same category Burrow, Carr, and Prescott are all more accurate and productive passing QBs.  Lamar is just a more dynamic running QB and as a passer doesn't have the same accuracy issues Wentz continues to display.  Cousins, Tannehill and Jimmy G have all performed more consistently than him.  Cousins and Tannehill's accuracy numbers are much better.  Jimmy Garropolo probably would probably look much better but for his injuries.  I don't see how you could look at Wentz objectively and think he's in the same category as them.  Baker is probably the closest because he has had the same accuracy problems along with being prone to bad throws.  

Wentz hasn't been an above average QB this season.  He's been average.  He has the same issues with his mechanics and it impacts his accuracy.  He throws balls behind receivers. He throws high. He doesn't have great touch on short throws.  He can look great at times and will make incredible throws but his lack of consistency and some of the boneheaded plays will keep him as an average QB.  2017 was lightning in a bottle and feels like an aberration vs. what his potential is.  

2 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Handing the ball of fir hurts is real easy, completing passes to WR, that has proven to be a bit more difficult for hurts 

Which is why I'm of the camp that hopes the eagles don't use another high pick on WR what's the point if the QB can't get them the ball?

Agreed but what happened to the 1 step drop WR screen that worked so well with Quez Watkins early on?  This is where Sirianni needs to improve.  If Hurts is the QB, give him plays where he has no choice but to give the ball to Smith.  Not sure how you do that but that's why he's being paid to be an NFL head coach.  

6 minutes ago, greend said:

THIS AINT COLLEGE!!!!!!

Well I mean neither is Alabama.  

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

All these True Fans rushing to the passionate defense of a player on another team.

Over my dead body will anyone say a player on our team is good!

 

 

Waddle is 5'10" and Chase leads the NFL in drops, I cant imagine what stupid ish you all would have to say if the roles were reversed.

Give Smith a passing QB and throw him the damn ball and the conversation wouldnt exist

He is good (as far as I can tell) it's too early to say how good. Not sure why you struggle with that.

1 minute ago, greend said:

He is good (as far as I can tell) it's too early to say how good. Not sure why you struggle with that.

Ok so no one is allowed to say Jamar Chase is better than Devonta Smith, right?

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

So what happened in college?

I guess True Fans on the EMB know better than Nick Saban

 Tough comparison there as well, Waddle only had to play 3 years to be a top 10 pick, Smith had to play all 4.   Waddle also is used as a kick and punt returner.  
 
Out of Chase, Smith, and Waddle to say Smith has highest floor would be fair. Smith also has the best hands among the 3. 

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Agreed but what happened to the 1 step drop WR screen that worked so well with Quez Watkins early on?  This is where Sirianni needs to improve.  If Hurts is the QB, give him plays where he has no choice but to give the ball to Smith.  Not sure how you do that but that's why he's being paid to be an NFL head coach.  

How do you insist Hurts throw it only to Smith? Even is Smith is doubled? Or tripled? Hurts has to be given the choice where to put the ball. If he can't do that what's he doing playing QB?

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ok so no one is allowed to say Jamar Chase is better than Devonta Smith, right?

Not yet. I mean he might be better atm, but I would wait until Smith has a year under his belt (and like you kinda said) hopefully a better qb to decide.

2 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

How do you insist Hurts throw it only to Smith? Even is Smith is doubled? Or tripled? Hurts has to be given the choice where to put the ball. If he can't do that what's he doing playing QB?

I'm not saying make Smith the only option, sorry my way of describing my thoughts didn't come out right.  I just think Sirianni needs to do a better job of forcing the ball to their WR.  It makes no sense in spending back-to-back draft picks on WR then barely giving them the ball.  And if Hurts can't get them the ball, put in someone who can.

Ertz has more targets and TDs this year than Goedert. Is Ertz better?

Nope, he plays in a modern NFL offense with a quarterback

 

Hurts is holding back the entire franchise.  Goedert and Smith should be getting 20 targets a game between them, in an adult offense.  

Instead they get half that and Hurts scrambles 10 times

26 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If the Eagles used a 1st round pick on a RB and only gave him 10 carries per game would we call that a waste of a pick or at the very least misuse of the pick?

The Eagles have used 3 high draft picks over the last 3 drafts on WR.  

JJAW was pick 57.  He has 2 catches this year.

Reagor was pick 21.  He has 26 catches.

Smith was pick 10 (traded up).  He has 50 catches.

Combined, they have still have 10 less catches than Waddle.   JJAW is a bust and it's not worth including him in this but their last two 1st round picks are touching the ball a combined 6 times per game.  That's HORRIBLE investment and use or resources.  At minimum, Smith should be touching the ball 6 times per game, let alone Smith and Reagor.  We can complain until we are blue in the face about DK and Jefferson  but what makes the problem even worse is that the Eagles aren't even trying to use the guys they took instead of them. 

They seem to go out of their way to give the ball to Boston Scott yet don't go out of their way to scheme plays where the ball is forced to Smith or Reagor.  

 

To early to label JJAW, needs more time.

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Ertz has more targets and TDs this year than Goedert. Is Ertz better?

Nope, he plays in a modern NFL offense with a quarterback

 

Hurts is holding back the entire franchise.  Goedert and Smith should be getting 20 targets a game between them, in an adult offense.  

Instead they get half that and Hurts scrambles 10 times

5 hours ago, greend said:

 

This video became Ancient History when the Saints beat the Bucs yesterday.  Their probability moved ahead of the Eagles, which means the Rams are #5, the 49ers are #6 and the Saints are #7.  The Saints win means they have a higher probability of winning their final 3 games than the Eagles do.  The tiebreaker the Eagles have over the Saints only comes into play if both teams have the same record, and that means the Eagles pretty much have to win all four of their remaining games.

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Hurts is holding back the entire franchise.  Goedert and Smith should be getting 20 targets a game between them, in an adult offense.  

This.  Goedert and Smith are way better than Michael Pittman and Zach Pascal.  The have 31 more targets than Goedert and Smith.

I came across this on Facebook and thought it’d be fun to see how long it took everyone to find Hurts. I found him in about two seconds. If it takes you longer than that and your mind starts to run in circles, don’t panic; remember that this is all in good fun. 

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

We're going to end up with 3 Derek Barnett level players 

Tyler Linderbaum is likely to slip to our picks because of the positional value of the Center position.  He is a perfect successor to Jason Kelce.  Great value.  Definitely not Derek Barnett level.

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

This video became Ancient History when the Saints beat the Bucs yesterday.  Their probability moved ahead of the Eagles, which means the Rams are #5, the 49ers are #6 and the Saints are #7.  The Saints win means they have a higher probability of winning their final 3 games than the Eagles do.  The tiebreaker the Eagles have over the Saints only comes into play if both teams have the same record, and that means the Eagles pretty much have to win all four of their remaining games.

With Taysom Hill at QB I don't think any of their games are a sure thing.  They're likely to go 2-1, but 3-0 will be tough sledding.  MIA is hot and @ ATL to close the season won't be a gimme.

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/nfl-2021-playoff-picture-updated-standings-wild-card-race-cowboys-vs-saints-among-projected-matchups/

 

This just shows you why you should start Minshew. 

The fact that we have almost not clue what we have in WR/TE/Pass catchers should be alarming. 

I agree with you 100% but even in his first start, Minshew only got the ball to Smith twice for 15 yards.  On the other hand, he got the ball to Goedert 6 for 105 and 2 TD.  

You can see my previous posts to see the same points that I was making about the lack of catches these guys are getting. 

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Tyler Linderbaum is likely to slip to our picks because of the positional value of the Center position.  He is a perfect successor to Jason Kelce.  Great value.  Definitely not Derek Barnett level.

IF they take him.  I'm not saying there will be good/great talent available.  I'm saying that we will get 3 Barnett players because of Howie.

16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ertz has more targets and TDs this year than Goedert. Is Ertz better?

Nope, he plays in a modern NFL offense with a quarterback

 

Hurts is holding back the entire franchise.  Goedert and Smith should be getting 20 targets a game between them, in an adult offense.  

Instead they get half that and Hurts scrambles 10 times

One week with Minshew and Goedert had a career day.

Devonta Smith has more catches, yards, and TDs than Waddle. Not sure what people are going on about with Waddle. Smith has clearly been the better player. If you watched Miami this season all they do is throw 3 yard slants to Waddle all game.