25 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay, let's try again.  Cam Newton was the #3-selling NFL jersey in 2020. 

Cam Newton has no job now.  I didn't have to reach very far for that fact.

Tell me again why Eagles fans should be excited that Hurts is the #2-selling jersey.

 

Again, it shows the change in attitude towards Hurts from this fan base. I couldn’t care less what number is he in jersey sales. I care about the crazy sudden increase since the game. It has no impact on how he will perform going forward.

As for Newton, all those Pats fans that had Brady jerseys probably wanted their new QB jersey. That’s why Mac Jones is up there this year.

Hurts wasn’t though before Sunday, and he is now. That’s interesting to me. 

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Regardless of the Meyer rumor... it's just not proven to be a formula for success.  I can't think of a coach that has ever stepped into NFL HC from the college ranks, who had never had a stint in the NFL before that and succeeded, other than Jimmy Johnson.   Those are some long odds.

I'd love it if someone could name another HC who had never been in the NFL before getting the NFL HC gig and had success.  

 

And it’s fair to ask how much of Jimmy Johnson’s success was on the heels of the most lopsided trade in memory. He wasn’t the same in Miami. 

1 hour ago, mikemack8 said:

Wrong to not give him a chance?  Yes.  Again - it's really strange how badly many in here want to see him fail, just to be proven right.  But hey, we aren't called Negadelphians for no reason I guess.

Out of curiosity, how many would you say there were?  

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I'm not sure running QBs are that vulnerable, Vick had a long career, for example.

You take worse hits in the pocket. With your eyes downfield, as a stationary target, if you don't see blitzers come free or an DL cleanly beat a block - wham!

Now some QBs, like Wentz, are awkward running and a much better bet to get hurt when they scramble.

Hurts has a compact, RB body, and isn't going to take a lot of bad hits on the move where defenders can't key on him.

That's called a lack of pocket presence.  

40 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Good first win.  Where do you think we still need a better/upgrade at starter?  With all the picks next year who would you want in return for say a 2nd or 3rd rounder to solidify that spot?

All three linebacker spots. Both safeties. And one corner. That's just considering current starters. There's also a need at defensive end with an eye toward the future. 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

that said i think a bigger story not talked enough is how much better the coaching was in that game then in the past 2 seasons. Ive complained the coaching and gameplan for about 2.5 years with doug.

Not only the coaching and game plan, but also how they utilized their players.  I think DP and Duce were way too cute in how much they rotated guys.  Letting players get in a rhythm is so important and you can't do that if you're constantly going in and out of the game.  They also played their best players.  I don't want to continually knock guys like Greg Ward and Boston Scott but they don't have to be depended on now.  That alone makes the Eagles a better team.  I'm sure each of they will deliver a play here and there down the road but there's only one football.

Lastly, despite the penalties, having the o-line play the entire game together can't be overlooked either.  That's another factor that instantly is going to help Hurts be a better quarterback.  Let that unit gel and play as one.  No Nate Herbig, Jack Driscoll or any of the other reserves coming in, switching positions and whatnot. 

All of these factors should help Hurts.  It's also going to create an unfair argument when comparing him to Carson last year.  Don't get me wrong, he was historically bad.  However, there was so much more going on that impacted his game.  I hope we can just enjoy the season, watch Hurts grow as a quarterback and see what this team can do. 

48 minutes ago, RLC said:

Assuming we don't use the cap savings this year, they will rollover into 2022. That means this makes Cox MORE tradable, not less as the acquiring team will get Cox on a cheaper contract.

How so?   They only changed his base salary for this season into a signing bonus.  Not sure I follow this math... AND... the amount they just freed up from this year's salary cap would become dead cap space for 2022 if traded (unless post-June 1), which nullifies the rollover.   All this did was kick the can... again.

38 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Cool stuff from a EMB alum.

 

 

 

Who was he here?

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

Not only the coaching and game plan, but also how they utilized their players.  I think DP and Duce were way too cute in how much they rotated guys.  Letting players get in a rhythm is so important and you can't do that if you're constantly going in and out of the game.  They also played their best players.  I don't want to continually knock guys like Greg Ward and Boston Scott but they don't have to be depended on now.  That alone makes the Eagles a better team.  I'm sure each of they will deliver a play here and there down the road but there's only one football.

Lastly, despite the penalties, having the o-line play the entire game together can't be overlooked either.  That's another factor that instantly is going to help Hurts be a better quarterback.  Let that unit gel and play as one.  No Nate Herbig, Jack Driscoll or any of the other reserves coming in, switching positions and whatnot. 

All of these factors should help Hurts.  It's also going to create an unfair argument when comparing him to Carson last year.  Don't get me wrong, he was historically bad.  However, there was so much more going on that impacted his game.  I hope we can just enjoy the season, watch Hurts grow as a quarterback and see what this team can do. 

Don’t think it needs to be an argument. Wentz had a combination of no off-season and a terrible line. Same thing Hurts had to deal with.  I’m hoping Wentz is a good (not elite) QB for them. Just give us a 1st. 

30 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Chik fil-a is the most overrated fast food.  I mean it's fine but the fries are often dry and the sandwich is just ho hum.  

Actually, it's spelled "c-h-i-c-k-e-n".

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No one wants to see him fail. 

Try again 

There are a few, not many, that straight up want him to fail.  I can't remember the names but I know I've seen them.  

 

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

All three linebacker spots. Both safeties. And one corner. That's just considering current starters. There's also a need at defensive end with an eye toward the future. 

You can check my math, but that's six. 

What if you could only get one veteran from a non-contender who will be a FA at the end of the season?  What position?

I'd say LB.  Assuming we'll be playing a lot of cover-2 shell, our LBs will have a big role in run defense and coverage underneath.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

All of these factors should help Hurts.  It's also going to create an unfair argument when comparing him to Carson last year.  Don't get me wrong, he was historically bad.  However, there was so much more going on that impacted his game.  I hope we can just enjoy the season, watch Hurts grow as a quarterback and see what this team can do. 

In the end, Wentz guided the Eagles to a 10-2 record in 2017 before he went out with injury, and that helped propel the Eagles toward home field and a Super Bowl title.  What happened after that can be blamed on many factors, including Wentz.  Going forward, the goal is to create another roster talented enough to be a playoff contender that can win a championship. 

Whether the QB is viewed as helping toward that goal or hindering is usually the most important organizational decision at play. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Who was he here?

I can't remember his handle.  I know he was very active when Chip arrived.  

27 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Obviously it’s just one game. It was just pretty funny that all the people shouting about how he can’t throw to WRs, he isn’t accurate enough to be a QB in the NFL, he’s a less athletic Lamar Jackson, etc. were treated to a good game on Sunday.
 

No one can crown him yet, but he’s our QB and we should be happy with what he did in week 1, but some are just moving those goalposts over instead. 

Has anyone said they aren't happy with Sunday's performance?

36 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Chik fil-a is the most overrated fast food.  I mean it's fine but the fries are often dry and the sandwich is just ho hum.  

yup

22 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

We were arguing at the time about whether the Eagles should challenge that while indeed it was a "pass", it was actually a backward pass and thus a live ball which the Eagles could (and did) recover. My father thought the Eagles were stupid for not challenging. I thought that it was simply a challenge they could not win because it wasn't clear enough to show that it was backward.

I think that's fair.  And I'd add, challenging that might have hurt the team anyway.  The DL was completely feasting and the delay and having the challenge denied would have given their OL time to regroup.   In that case, I'd rather just let the DL keep up the feeding frenzy.

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Yesterday I was really trying to stress how big the field position battle was on Sunday.  The best thing Reagor did on punt returns was actually catch the ball rather than let it bounce and die inside the 10.  The Falcons started 2 drives inside their own 10 yard line.  The Eagles didn't have any.  

yes.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I can't remember his handle.  I know he was very active when Chip arrived.  

I remember his avatar. I remember he and I didn't get along well. 

1 minute ago, greend said:

Has anyone said they aren't happy with Sunday's performance?

They’re still nitpicking his play. The pass to Ertz, the lack of throws over the middle, the lack of deep balls, etc. 

Just moving the goalposts. 

22 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

With Reich. 

Yes... and... ?  Wentz threw those screens very well in 2017.  They executed them well in 2017.  Doug was still the one calling them.   No one has said that the loss of Reich wasn't a huge blow, and its been evident every year since then.  But, to claim as a blanket that Wentz and Doug never did it well is just hate related.  They did it well in 2017... and yes, Reich was here then.  But, Reich wasn't the one calling those screens, nor was he the one throwing them.  It has been a weak spot in the team for a while, and I will tell you that I was overjoyed not to see a single flanker screen thrown to Greg Ward, and even more happy to see Gainwell used rather than Boston Scott.   But, there's no need to be hyperbolic about what the previous group could or couldn't do.  

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

How so?   They only changed his base salary for this season into a signing bonus.  Not sure I follow this math... AND... the amount they just freed up from this year's salary cap would become dead cap space for 2022 if traded (unless post-June 1), which nullifies the rollover.   All this did was kick the can... again.

Eagles are stuck now with the money converted and the team trading for him no longer takes that chunk on, is his point. I disagree it makes him more tradeable though. 

13 minutes ago, WentzFan11 said:

Don’t think it needs to be an argument. Wentz had a combination of no off-season and a terrible line. Same thing Hurts had to deal with.  I’m hoping Wentz is a good (not elite) QB for them. Just give us a 1st. 

Another problem doug and press would make no adjustments to opponents adjusting to them or personnel they we had on the field. There were times they acted like they had the starting oline we had out there Sunday when they were down 3 of those guys. How many times did we plead for them to roll out wentz or hurts and they continued to not do so? I feel like there was a month straight that was the discussion. I think part of the reason the Eagles had second half struggles when hurts was out there was teams adjusted to what we were doing and doug/press just didn’t make an adjustment. Just tried the to keep doing the same things over and over again. Part of me wants to think doug knew he was out and just was done.  But it was an issue for large portions of the season dating back to 2018. They had like 2 consecutive seasons where they finally made adjustments in December after 3 months of banging their head against the wall

ive said in the past just cause doug was great in 2017 doesn’t mean he can’t regress or decline after that like players do. That also applies to FO as well. Just cause you were great one year doesn’t mean you can’t regress over time  or even improve regardless if you are a player, coach or work on the front office. 

19 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

And it’s fair to ask how much of Jimmy Johnson’s success was on the heels of the most lopsided trade in memory. He wasn’t the same in Miami. 

Dare I say almost all of it.  And I think he bamboozled the Vikings with that trade's language.  He just wanted the picks but I'm sure they didn't want to give them up.  And the stipulation was that many of the picks would convey only if the players sent didn't make the team.   Johnson happily punted on that season to get the picks.  It was smart, no doubt about it.  But, you can only be that smart when the team you are dealing with is that dumb.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Dare I say almost all of it.  And I think he bamboozled the Vikings with that trade's language.  He just wanted the picks but I'm sure they didn't want to give them up.  And the stipulation was that many of the picks would convey only if the players sent didn't make the team.   Johnson happily punted on that season to get the picks.  It was smart, no doubt about it.  But, you can only be that smart when the team you are dealing with is that dumb.  

I’ve often times thought that a trade like that doesn’t happen because someone is smart enough to pull it off. It happens because someone is dumb enough to agree to it. 

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I’ve often times thought that a trade like that doesn’t happen because someone is smart enough to pull it off. It happens because someone is dumb enough to agree to it. 

I feel that way about most of my fantasy football trades