4 minutes ago, greend said:

So fumbling is "starting poorly?" C'mon man, give it a rest. The guy had a great game but it didn't start well. He keeps that up and he deserves to start again next year.  

A fumble (lost) is always a huge mistake. I'm not arguing that it didn't happen. It did happen in the first quarter on the series following the INT. However, the fumble alone IMO, does not mean he came out there playing poorly. I'm guessing that Sirianni was upset at the team's start and felt Hurts should have protected the ball better on the heels of the previous turnover. I just don't think he was in Jalen's ear telling him he better play better the rest of the game. I think it was specifically about not turning the ball over. 

Anyway, the fumble was a "poor" play and it happened during the "start" of the game. If this is an argument on semantics, then I concede. I just personally think he started well with the pass Goedert botched into an INT. If we score a TD on that drive and Hurts fumbles on the next series, I don't think anybody claims he "started poorly."

Looking at Hurts' face while he was getting the earful, I'm not sure it really made much of a difference. I guess we all see what we want. I see a player that didn't seem awfully concerned. Personally, I would have preferred he make eye contact with the HC and nod or something, but Hurts seemed to almost be rolling his eyes and then mouthed something away from Sirianni:

 

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I see the opposite. 

I think MOST* people are not sold on him and judge him fairly more times than not. 

Hurts "succeeding" was under 300 yards, 2 turnovers, zero throwing touchdowns, against a really bad defense who was also impacted player wise and coach wise by Covid. 

You wanna crown him..crown him

 

1 of those turnovers wasn't in anyway on him.  And he had a throwing touchdown (to go along with his two rushing touchdowns). 

 

You can't even get your stats right. But yeah you're clearly "judging him fairly". 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think with Hurts and our OL, we should have a quality run game every week, but in the playoffs (theoretically) we’re going to have high-leverage plays where the QB will have to sustain drives on third down, or make difficult plays in the red zone or make up for a holding call that gets the O off schedule. Those are the plays that separate QBs. 

Hurts has to show he can do that. 

I'll take the more optimistic viewpoint... and turn that last line into: 

Hurts has yet to show he can do that.  He still may.

 

I am hoping the Eagles get to the playoffs so that we all get to see him in that situation, and more importantly, get to see how the opposition defenses him.  Buffalo and even the Chargers shut down Jackson and the Ravens in the playoffs by forcing him to throw.  I suspect that a team matched up against the Eagles would similarly overcommit to the run so that they force Hurts to beat them with his arm.  If he does... they tip their caps to him.  I personally can't stand Bill Belichek, but his philosophy defensively has always been a simple one.  Figure out what the opponent does best, and stop that. Force them to do something else.  The way to defense the Eagles is exactly what the Giants did.  8 or 9 in the box, shade one safety to Hurts' right side, close enough to be in run support that way.  Make Hurts make the tougher throws... deeper and down the middle or to his left.  Don't give him the short and the right, don't let the RBs get going... and most importantly, make Hurts uncomfortable by putting hands and bodies on him every single chance you have.

15 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think with Hurts and our OL, we should have a quality run game every week, but in the playoffs (theoretically) we’re going to have high-leverage plays where the QB will have to sustain drives on third down, or make difficult plays in the red zone or make up for a holding call that gets the O off schedule. Those are the plays that separate QBs. 

Hurts has to show he can do that. 

 

We have the 3rd best 3rd down offense in the league. All this offense does is sustain drives. 

5 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

but there are several people who refuse to acknowledge any success he has had.

By "several," you really mean 70 percent of the regular blog posters, right?

To the point that anyone saying anything remotely positive about Hurts was relentlessly dogpiled and called a "Hurts Humper."

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

I forgot about the lucky throw that people were calling a dime lol. He couldnt do that again in 10000 attempts.

Doesnt matter whos fault it was. it's an interception. 

Judge him fairly... he hands the ball often and does a great job at it

 

"lucky throw" 

And yeah it kind of does matter whose fault it is when you are trying to use it as a negative towards Hurts.  He threw. A perfect pass for Goedert which should have resulted in a 1st down and a huge gain on 3rs down but instead he dropped it and it bounced off of his heel for an interception. 

Yep, as I said you're clearly "judging him fairly" 

2 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Plus, it’s Raegor

Frankly, if that's the mindset, then Reagor shouldn't be on the field.  You can't have a guy out there that you completely ignore because you don't trust him to catch the ball.  That's playing 10 on 11... and it's a terrible way to handicap yourself.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Frankly, if that's the mindset, then Reagor shouldn't be on the field.  You can't have a guy out there that you completely ignore because you don't trust him to catch the ball.  That's playing 10 on 11... and it's a terrible way to handicap yourself.

 

Reagor hasn't been completely ignored though. 

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I forgot about the lucky throw that people were calling a dime lol. He couldnt do that again in 10000 attempts.

Doesnt matter whos fault it was. it's an interception. 

Judge him fairly... he hands the ball often and does a great job at it

Serious question.  Are you mentally retarded?  Your answer may affect future interactions on this board.  

*Ignore the click-bait headline by the uploader.

Schefter and Riddick are both saying it's about options with Hurts, if you can get Rodgers/Wilson/Watson, the Eagles will consider it, but if not, look for Hurts to be the guy next year.

2 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

*Ignore the click-bait headline by the uploader.

Schefter and Riddick are both saying it's about options with Hurts, if you can get Rodgers/Wilson/Watson, the Eagles will consider it, but if not, look for Hurts to be the guy next year.

Wilson is kind of having a crappy year. Not sure how bad I want him atm

20 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Not really. With playoffs, injuries, and guys not wanting to go, you could be the 10th best QB out of 16 and still make it. 

 

The only real difference between today and "the old days" is that the Super Bowl teams' players automatically don't participate. Players like Dan Marino always opted out leaving the door open for players like Dave Krieg. So that's always been a thing. IMO, it seems like more "deserving" players don't initially make it these days, in large part because there is just a bigger pool of deserving players. For example --- for years, there wasn't much competition at positions like TE. If you were one of the NFL's rare pass-catching TEs, you were in. Now, there are much better TEs that don't make the Pro Bowl because we have so many good ones around the NFL. 

Now, as far as the game being a joke, I totally agree. I also believe the "fan voting" is a joke and a farce. The Pro Bowl was never the "end-all" measure of a player's career, but it does show that you have earned the respect of other players and coaches in the league. 

50 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

He does it every week. 

Giants and 49ers games disagree.

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Giants and 49ers games disagree.

Cowboys game? 

ESPN QB domino prediction article this morning.  There is 3 scenarios, and only in one do they predict the Eagles getting involved.  This would be the absolute worst case scenario of all the possible things we could do.

The Vikings trade Kirk Cousins to the Eagles for a first-round pick.

With Rodgers staying put in Green Bay in this scenario, a Vikings team already halfway between contending and rebuilding finally takes an affirmative step in the latter direction. If that happens, I suspect the Vikings would be coming off a disastrous end to the season, one in which they miss the postseason and feel like they're not close to competing for a Super Bowl. That realization would probably come with a change at coach and/or general manager, but the biggest decision they would have to make is what to do with their veteran quarterback.

By trading Cousins, the Vikings would free up $35 million in much-needed cap space. The Eagles have been spry with Jalen Hurts this season, and without any logical quarterback to go after with all three of their first-round picks in a draft that isn't expected to have superstar QBs -- they could opt to try to surround a very good passer with a talented roster. That formula might not seem terribly enticing, but remember that Philly is only a few years removed from winning a Super Bowl with Nick Foles at quarterback.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

Cowboys game? 

I could have gone there, but I did not want to argue about his empty yards and the defense.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

ESPN QB domino prediction article this morning.  There is 3 scenarios, and only in one do they predict the Eagles getting involved.  This would be the absolute worst case scenario of all the possible things we could do.

 

 

Yes, it would be

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Giants and 49ers games disagree.

 

Giants game was a bad game.  He still gave the team a chance to win and they should have if not Reagor dropping a game winner twice in the final 2-3 plays. 

 

49ers game I'm not even sure how you can put that on Hurts.  Had a TD pass to Reagor called back because he stepped out of bounds and Sirianni had his worst moment of the season down at the goalline before half when he called a lot of terrible plays instead of just trying to run it up the middle once and then capped it off with an attempt to appease the fans with the awful Philly Philly call on 4th.  Despite all that Hurts still lead a TD drive and 2 pt conversion to make it a 6 point game with over 4 minutes left in the game but like the defense had done numerous times in that scenario this season they just let the 49ers kill the rest of the clock instead of getting the ball back to the offense. 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Yes, he really carried us then he had 9 completions against the Lions. Cant forget how important he was against the broncos when he mustered 40 yards of offense late in the game. 

He did carry us in the Giants game, carried us to an L. 

13 for 24 for 140 yards against the saints. Thank god we had him there for that

 

You really trying to make an argument that Hurts wasn't a big part of us winning the Broncos game? 

 

"Judging fairly" 

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I could have gone there, but I did not want to argue about his empty yards and the defense.

Well, anyone who actually watched that game knows just how bad he was... as opposed to the box score scouts.  He was brutal in that game.   And I'm not one to bandy about QBR as a final statement on anything, but his QBR was lower in the Cowboys' game than it was in the Giants' game.  And that's tough to do.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

ESPN QB domino prediction article this morning.  There is 3 scenarios, and only in one do they predict the Eagles getting involved.  This would be the absolute worst case scenario of all the possible things we could do.

I think even the staunchest of Hurts' critics would rather stick with Hurts than to trade a first for Cousins.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

ESPN QB domino prediction article this morning.  There is 3 scenarios, and only in one do they predict the Eagles getting involved.  This would be the absolute worst case scenario of all the possible things we could do.

 

 

Even if I ignored the fact it's Kirk Cousins -- who's going to trade a 1st round pick just to pay a guy $35M for one season, and also have to negotiate an extension with him before he hits UFA -- in a QB-needy market?

It's also worth noting that Cousins is older than Russell Wilson.  I think Jimmy G would come with a lower trade cost, lower contract number, and is 3 years younger .... and I don't want Jimmy G

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

1 yard punt

24 yards interception

60 yards field goal

9 yards punt. 

Darius Slay's Touchdown return was basically the same amount of offense we had the entire 2nd half. (83 yards to 94) 

 

So we are going to just completely disregard how great he played in the first half to have the Edgles up by 10 points heading into the 2nd half.  And really should have been a 14 point lead heading into half if Quez didn't drop a perfect pass in his hands in the endzone. 

 

But yeah, "judging fairly" 

25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Frankly, if that's the mindset, then Reagor shouldn't be on the field.  You can't have a guy out there that you completely ignore because you don't trust him to catch the ball.  That's playing 10 on 11... and it's a terrible way to handicap yourself.

Well, yeah I do think Reagor should be replaced.

14 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Which part would you like to have a conversation about instead of name calling?

Eagles are a significantly better team when they take the ball out of Hurt's hands. 

He's throw 1... maybe 2 dimes all year so no, I dont think he could make that Greg Ward throw again. In fact, if he did it consistently he would have never lost the job at Alabama, he would of been a first rounder and he probably would be a franchise QB. But he isnt, and he cant make those throws constantly. 

Finally, an interception is an interception. You think people go back and talk about Farve's INT's about him throwing the ball too hard, it going threw the WR's hands and getting picked. 

NO, they talk about how the dude threw a ton of INT's

 

OK - so retarded.  Thanks for clearing that up.

Just now, Parrot Head said:

Well, yeah I do think Reagor should be replaced.

Agreed, but no one on the team should be thinking that way.  If he's out there, he's an eligible receiver and should be targeted when he's open.