13 minutes ago, downundermike said:

ESPN QB domino prediction article this morning.  There is 3 scenarios, and only in one do they predict the Eagles getting involved.  This would be the absolute worst case scenario of all the possible things we could do.

 

 

Barnwell is a clown, and a Giants fan.  F him

49 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Rock Paper Scissors works

The running game is what has really created all of these numbers and 100% of the credit goes to Sirianni for realizing that's what works.  I'm curious to know what counts as an explosive play because IMO, that's what this team is lacking.  Seems like Goedert has had 2 of the longest plays in that timeframe being in the 40 yard range.  But does long play=explosive play?  

Nick certainly is on his way to winning me over.  

25 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'll take the more optimistic viewpoint... and turn that last line into: 

Hurts has yet to show he can do that.  He still may.

 

I am hoping the Eagles get to the playoffs so that we all get to see him in that situation, and more importantly, get to see how the opposition defenses him.  Buffalo and even the Chargers shut down Jackson and the Ravens in the playoffs by forcing him to throw.  I suspect that a team matched up against the Eagles would similarly overcommit to the run so that they force Hurts to beat them with his arm.  If he does... they tip their caps to him.  I personally can't stand Bill Belichek, but his philosophy defensively has always been a simple one.  Figure out what the opponent does best, and stop that. Force them to do something else.  The way to defense the Eagles is exactly what the Giants did.  8 or 9 in the box, shade one safety to Hurts' right side, close enough to be in run support that way.  Make Hurts make the tougher throws... deeper and down the middle or to his left.  Don't give him the short and the right, don't let the RBs get going... and most importantly, make Hurts uncomfortable by putting hands and bodies on him every single chance you have.

Some of my favorite parts of re-watching 52 coverage is BB telling Pederson they couldn't find any tape of the Eagles trailing that year. And then we went out and lead the entire game. Glorious. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

The running game is what has really created all of these numbers and 100% of the credit goes to Sirianni for realizing that's what works.  I'm curious to know what counts as an explosive play because IMO, that's what this team is lacking.  Seems like Goedert has had 2 of the longest plays in that timeframe being in the 40 yard range.  But does long play=explosive play?  

Nick certainly is on his way to winning me over.  

I would think any play of 20 yards or more is explosive?

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed, but no one on the team should be thinking that way.  If he's out there, he's an eligible receiver and should be targeted when he's open.

Well, if Orlovsky is correct on the read design of the play, then Hurts did the right thing by throwing to his third read in Goedert.

It just solidifies it even more that the WR who was breaking open was a guy who hasn’t EARNED the trust of anyone in critical situations.

Just now, Parrot Head said:

Well, if Orlovsky is correct on the read design of the play, then Hurts did the right thing by throwing to his third read in Goedert.

It just solidifies it even more that the WR who was breaking open was a guy who hasn’t EARNED the trust of anyone in critical situations.

I didn't watch the clip.  Don't need to.  That was a good read by Hurts, good throw, good chunk pass play to move the sticks.  Any criticism for Hurts on that play is either nit picking or bias talking (or both, I guess).  There were things that Hurts needs to clean up, do quicker, do better... but that play was pretty much perfect.  We need more of that from him... and consistently.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I didn't watch the clip.  Don't need to.  That was a good read by Hurts, good throw, good chunk pass play to move the sticks.  Any criticism for Hurts on that play is either nit picking or bias talking (or both, I guess).  There were things that Hurts needs to clean up, do quicker, do better... but that play was pretty much perfect.  We need more of that from him... and consistently.

Basically defense was in cover 2. Hurts read it correctly, but the high safety on Reagor's side didn't run with him, and cheated down on Goedert. Which Hurts wouldn't have been expecting (and Orlovsky says, it's just one of those things that can happen on a zone play). 

5 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Well, if Orlovsky is correct on the read design of the play, then Hurts did the right thing by throwing to his third read in Goedert.

It just solidifies it even more that the WR who was breaking open was a guy who hasn’t EARNED the trust of anyone in critical situations.

I don't know, when I look at the clip it appears to me Hurts is staring at Reagor and comes off of him just prior to the moment Reagor breaks open; speaks to Hurts' inability to anticipate throws.  It also very well could have been a hospital ball to Goedert if the DB puts his helmet into Goedert's ribs, instead of his forearm into Goedert's back.

Overall I'm not impressed with the clip.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I didn't watch the clip.  Don't need to.  That was a good read by Hurts, good throw, good chunk pass play to move the sticks.  Any criticism for Hurts on that play is either nit picking or bias talking (or both, I guess).  There were things that Hurts needs to clean up, do quicker, do better... but that play was pretty much perfect.  We need more of that from him... and consistently.

Yup. Back to your thoughts on Reagor, I agree that if he’s out there they should still give him opportunities to make plays.

I would be fine with a couple of deep shots on first down or 2nd and short.

But he has to earn his way back to getting any serious looks in critical situations.

8 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Yep, Eagles are a much better team when we turn the ball over and make Hurts throw the ball 50 times. you win. 

 

You blame Hurts for the Goedert interception because you think he threw it too hard? 

43 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Plus, it’s Raegor

Reagor actually played well 

3 targets 3 catches over 50 yards 2nd leading receiver behind goedert who had 2 drops himself.

 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't know, when I look at the clip it appears to me Hurts is staring at Reagor and comes off of him just prior to the moment Reagor breaks open; speaks to Hurts' inability to anticipate throws.  It also very well could have been a hospital ball to Goedert if the DB puts his helmet into Goedert's ribs, instead of his forearm into Goedert's back.

Overall I'm not impressed with the clip.

You have no idea what he was looking at.

Orlovskys explanation seems a whole lot more plausible than yours.

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Reagor actually played well 

3 targets 3 catches over 50 yards 2nd leading receiver behind goedert who had 2 drops himself.

 

As I’ve said, he has to earn trust on critical downs.

28 minutes ago, downundermike said:

ESPN QB domino prediction article this morning.  There is 3 scenarios, and only in one do they predict the Eagles getting involved.  This would be the absolute worst case scenario of all the possible things we could do.

 

 

So Vikings want to trade cousins because he's shown they can't win with him and this ESPN guys logical conclusion is that the eagles would trade for him because he sucks???

The statement was can he carry them or be the engine, this was your reply.

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

He does it every week. 

This follow up reply contradicts your first reply.

29 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Giants game was a bad game.  He still gave the team a chance to win

27 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I think even the staunchest of Hurts' critics would rather stick with Hurts than to trade a first for Cousins.

I resemble both of these remarks

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

As I’ve said, he has to earn trust on critical downs.

Cant earn trust if one doesn't get the ball.

Not to mention hurts seems pretty hesitant to throw deep to any of his WRs.

He just doesn't look their way deep but when one is locked in on goedert and goedert is playing like he is why not???

 

18 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

The running game is what has really created all of these numbers and 100% of the credit goes to Sirianni for realizing that's what works.  I'm curious to know what counts as an explosive play because IMO, that's what this team is lacking.  Seems like Goedert has had 2 of the longest plays in that timeframe being in the 40 yard range.  But does long play=explosive play?  

Nick certainly is on his way to winning me over.  

An explosive play is based on whatever metric you want to apply to it. Some use EPA of +2, some say a run of 10 or more yards and a pass of 15 or more are explosive plays. It’s not a universal thing 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

So Vikings want to trade cousins because he's shown they can't win with him and this ESPN guys logical conclusion is that the eagles would trade for him because he sucks???

No way I want this to happen, just posting from an article about offseason dominos, and in all 3 scenarios, that is the only thing they predicted or the Eagles.  Found it curious, and idiotic.

Just now, Utebird said:

Cant earn trust if one doesn't get the ball.

Not to mention hurts seems pretty hesitant to throw deep to any of his WRs.

He just doesn't look their way deep but when one is locked in on goedert and goedert is playing like he is why not???

 

I’ve just said I’d be fine with him getting a couple deep balls on 1st or 2nd down.

 

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Cant earn trust if one doesn't get the ball.

Not to mention hurts seems pretty hesitant to throw deep to any of his WRs.

He just doesn't look their way deep but when one is locked in on goedert and goedert is playing like he is why not???

 

Agreed.  Our "shot" plays just don't look right.

 

Just now, downundermike said:

No way I want this to happen, just posting from an article about offseason dominos, and in all 3 scenarios, that is the only thing they predicted or the Eagles.  Found it curious, and idiotic.

Idiotic is the exact word I would use.

Not sure how some people get paid to write what they do 

Cousins is trash.

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Agreed.  Our "shot" plays just don't look right.

 

Yup, not sure if it's a timing thing or a vision thing or a lack of arm strength or being conservative  thing or a combination but one has 3 WRs who can get deep and every week we see some of them open or in single coverage and every week those deep shots aren't being taken or executed.

42 minutes ago, downundermike said:

ESPN QB domino prediction article this morning.  There is 3 scenarios, and only in one do they predict the Eagles getting involved.  This would be the absolute worst case scenario of all the possible things we could do.

 

 

Only one thing to say to this 

Who has the all22 angle on the Smith come back sideline catch that was supposed to be a deep shot to Smith? Id be curious to see what the coverage looked like on that route initially that caused Hurts not to unload the deep shot.

4 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Yup, not sure if it's a timing thing or a vision thing or a lack of arm strength or being conservative  thing or a combination but one has 3 WRs who can get deep and every week we see some of them open or in single coverage and every week those deep shots aren't being taken or executed.

Yeah I think the best way I've heard it described is that Hurts doesn't have the arm strength to compensate for being late on throws.