4 hours ago, greend said:

He threw it up for grabs bro. You are trying to make it sound like he planned it and it was a great or even good play on his part. He was very fortunate there, again it was in the dbs hands before Goedert wrestled it away. I'll take it and was happy when he completed it and it was a very good night for him as a passer but...................................

I agree that the threw it "up”:for grabs. Placement is what made it a ball the receiver could contest for. Goedert came away with it because he is taller, bigger and stronger.  The contested throw to Smith in the end zone was placed where only Smith had a shot at it.  Even the throw to Ward is a small window.  If he progresses to trusting the receiver is coming open earlier, he goes a long way to overcoming his biggest reading flaw. I view his willingness and placement of these balls in tight windows as progress.  

We watch other players and declare them open. Problem is that a play is drawn up with primary receivers. These throws probably targeted the primary receivers. He still reads too slow in his progression but that is why I like the step of willingness to throw to tight windows with good ball placement.  The next step is anticipating the receiver open. Once there, the reads come quicker and the progressions flow from that.   Does he get there?  You and I both have doubts but the hardest first step in the pros is developing a rapport with the receivers that is first reflected by these tight windows followed by trust they will work themselves open.  Where you see an almost interception, I see a tight window throw with good placement that would have been made better by about a half second quicker throw. I do think I have a tad more hope than you about Hurts.

Just now, Saltpeter said:

Yeah I think the best way I've heard it described is that Hurts doesn't have the arm strength to compensate for being late on throws.

Yup. Will that come with experience or will he continue to be late and miss attempts at big plays? Some of it baffling. It’s there. It’s open. He sees it. He still waits too long to throw it. 

Hurts is 6-7 this year behind a top 3 OL, top running game, and top 10 defense. I’m hardly ready to crown him anything. 

21 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

You have no idea what he was looking at.

Orlovskys explanation seems a whole lot more plausible than yours.

You're right -- Hurts' head is aligned directly with the WR on the right, but he must be looking at the concession vendor in the 2nd deck    

It's an accurate throw and a positive play -- but it is not worthy of posting a clip to demonstrate Hurts has progressed in making the proper reads from the pocket.

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Only one thing to say to this 

old, filthy mouthed hag, probably hpenis wife

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

You're right -- Hurts' head is aligned directly with the WR on the right, but he must be looking at the concession vendor in the 2nd deck    

It's an accurate throw and a positive play -- but it is not worthy of posting a clip to demonstrate Hurts has progressed in making the proper reads from the pocket.

Lol

5 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Hurts is 6-7 this year behind a top 3 OL, top running game, and top 10 defense. I’m hardly ready to crown him anything. 

yeah, I wouldnt crown him yet, give him another 4 years, maybe he's top 20 in qbs by then, maybe

9 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Yeah I think the best way I've heard it described is that Hurts doesn't have the arm strength to compensate for being late on throws.

Makes sense.

10 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Hurts is 6-7 this year behind a top 3 OL, top running game, and top 10 defense. I’m hardly ready to crown him anything. 

Yep.  We give up 22 PPG and Hurts is 6-7.  The 9-5 Titans give up 22.1 and the 10-4 Bucs give up 21.9.  The defense is doing their part.

Defense is 11th in yards per game.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yep.  We give up 22 PPG and Hurts is 6-7.  The 9-5 Titans give up 22.1 and the 10-4 Bucs give up 21.9.  The defense is doing their part.

Defense is 11th in yards per game.

So far the teams that have lit up the Eagles defense are:

DAL (#1 YPG), TB (#2), KC (#3), Chargers (#4) and LV (#10).  Gannon gets too much negativity in here, considering the lack of talent and draft investment on the defense.  Overall the young coaching staff is doing a very good job.

Just now, downundermike said:

Yep.  We give up 22 PPG and Hurts is 6-7.  The 9-5 Titans give up 22.1 and the 10-4 Bucs give up 21.9.  The defense is doing their part.

Defense is 11th in yards per game.

And a bunch of those losses were when sirrianni was doing his best Reid impression and having hurts throw the ball 50 times a game.

Not to mention the D has been obliterated by real qbs but has looked good against scrub backups and no name has beens.

Who knows who the QB will be for Giants or the next Redskins game and if cowboys have playoff seeding locked down they could play their scrubs as well.

Sets it up pretty good for hurts and the D to win the next 3 which won't prove much other than they can beat crappy teams.

If they make the playoffs that will be the real test if not we'll have to wait til next year to see if current formula can actually beat good teams not just scrubs 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Yep.  We give up 22 PPG and Hurts is 6-7.  The 9-5 Titans give up 22.1 and the 10-4 Bucs give up 21.9.  The defense is doing their part.

Defense is 11th in yards per game.

Not defending hurts but our defensive DVOA is 23rd. The defense still stinks. They’ve just benefited from getting to play bridgewater, Gilbert, Daniel jones, siemian, Wilson, the lions and Sam darnold. 

that said the eagles have a last place schedule. It’s helped them get to 7-7. They also caught breaks of getting to face Gilbert due to Covid. And siemian cause hill and Winston were hurt along with 2 starting tackles and kamara out.

This is why i brought up the other day their opponents they’ve beaten are 36-61-1. The opponents they lost to are 57-41. If you exclude the giants that’s the only team that they lost to that is just an awful team that number goes to 53-31. That is not just the defense why they have lost those games to better teams. Their offense in a lot of those games also stunk. The offense was bad in the niners, Dallas (bunch of garbage time stats after being down 20), tampa (offense was bad for most of the first 3 quarters) and raiders. Chiefs game they were solid. Got to 30 late after they found themselves down by 19. Once they got to 23 the defense faltered and then offense couldn’t keep up. The chargers game they scored 24 which came down to the defense couldn’t get off the field so they didn’t get enough possessions 

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Not to mention the D has been obliterated by real qbs but has looked good against scrub backups and no name has beens.

Yep, see below.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

So far the teams that have lit up the Eagles defense are:

DAL (#1 YPG), TB (#2), KC (#3), Chargers (#4) and LV (#10).  Gannon gets too much negativity in here, considering the lack of talent and draft investment on the defense.  Overall the young coaching staff is doing a very good job.

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not defending hurts but our defensive DVOA is 23rd. The defense still stinks. They’ve just benefited from getting to play bridgewater, Gilbert, Daniel jones, siemian, Wilson, the lions and Sam darnold. 

See below

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

So far the teams that have lit up the Eagles defense are:

DAL (#1 YPG), TB (#2), KC (#3), Chargers (#4) and LV (#10).  Gannon gets too much negativity in here, considering the lack of talent and draft investment on the defense.  Overall the young coaching staff is doing a very good job.

 

31 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Who has the all22 angle on the Smith come back sideline catch that was supposed to be a deep shot to Smith? Id be curious to see what the coverage looked like on that route initially that caused Hurts not to unload the deep shot.

 

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yep.  We give up 22 PPG and Hurts is 6-7.  The 9-5 Titans give up 22.1 and the 10-4 Bucs give up 21.9.  The defense is doing their part.

Defense is 11th in yards per game.

Defense is average at best.

They do well against the average or bad teams.

They struggle against teams with great offenses or QBs.  Not saying they have to completely stop a great offense but they need to be able to get a few stops and maybe a turnover or 2.

There's an article on NFL.com discussing the draft order for the 2022 draft and team needs -- lists the Eagles most pressing needs as DE, S, LB.  Hard to argue

Also interesting were the teams listed as having pressing needs at QB:

#2 DET, #3 HOU, #5 NYG, #7 CAR, #10 WFT, #12 DEN, #15 NO, #17 PIT -- that's 8 of the top 17 picks.  Obviously not all will spend a 1st round pick on QB, but they've all got the draft capital to trade for one.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

The second one is one of those where he breaks the pocket, but doesn't need to.   If he merely takes a step up into the pocket, he has a perfect pocket and platform for the deep shot to Smith.  

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I commented on that right after the play. I wonder what made him hold that ball.

Thats Fing horrible.

You cant see Hurts the whole time, but when he is back in the frame it looks like he is looking there when Smith is even with the safety. Could have thrown it there because you know Smith was leaving him. I guess maybe Hurts couldnt reach by then.

Dont know what he was looking at when Smith beat the CB earlier. I thought, live that Smith was looking at him the whole time. 

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yep, see below.

 

See below

 

This is why I brought up the other day you are never going to have the perfect team. Your defense might not always be the best defense going into a game. You might not have the best talent going into a game. You might not have the best coaching going into a game. It is very likely you never going to have the perfect team everything is good and we can just rely on everything being better than our opponent. That is why I think it is important to get a quarterback that has the ability to elevate and carry your team when those things are against you. I really don’t care if it is Jalen hurts or somebody else but you better have it.

What makes me laugh on this board is everyone just assuming because we have three first round picks that we’re gonna use them all on defense but secondly they were just gonna fix the defense in one off-season. It usually takes more than one offseason to fix an entire year unit. And before anybody goes well look at the offense this year compared to last year, the offense last year had massive injuries to the offensive line all year, injuries of Miles Sanders, injuries to Dallas Goedert, injuries to Zach Ertz and injuries even to the wide receivers that weren’t good to begin with. And wentz was atrocious last year. And I’d add i don’t think Doug wanted to be here anymore by the end. This defense lacks talent and getting long in the tooth with Graham, slay and Cox being their best players still. 

I don't know what he means by 90, unless Kerigan was out there for a trick play. Guessing it's 80 (Tyree Jackson). He also had Gainwell without a defender within 20 yards

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I commented on that right after the play. I wonder what made him hold that ball.

Thats Fing horrible.

You cant see Hurts the whole time, but when he is back in the frame it looks like he is looking there when Smith is even with the safety. Could have thrown it there because you know Smith was leaving him. I guess maybe Hurts couldnt reach by then.

Dont know what he was looking at when Smith beat the CB earlier. I thought, live that Smith was looking at him the whole time. 

 

Also happy Festivus

 

 

I see we have hit that time of the week for the blog after a good Hurts game where everyone begins to try to disect any play they can in order to find away to criticize and fill their hate quota.  Anything less than perfection from Hurts is an example of why he is terrible. 

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yep, see below.

 

See below

 

Yup I think Gannon has dine ok with what little he has. His DEs are barely passable, Cox looks done, hargrave seeing more doubles, LBs have looked better but don't scare anyone and the eagles safeties are possibly worse position group in the league 

The 3 corners have played well.

Gannon has coached above his circumstance 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

I see we have hit that time of the week for the blog after a good Hurts game where everyone begins to try to disect any play they can in order to find away to criticize and fill their hate quota.  Anything less than perfection from Hurts is an example of why he is terrible. 

I think the dialogue has been pretty fair and even handed 

He played well, he also played against a short handed Redskins D that wasn't very good before they were short handed