14 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

I remember my dad "grounding me” for 3 months once.  I was about 11 or 12.  Who knows what I did.  I was pretty much a class clown in school so that might have been it.  It took him 2 days of me being up his arse at home for him to tell me to go outside and play with my friends.  Sentence, reduced.  

When I was a kid "grounding" was the punishment you hoped for. 

13 hours ago, Swoop said:

Can we stop feeding the troll? 

This is a big no. In the history of the blog trolls haven't been ignored. In the new blog it's much worse.

8 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Horse manure.  Let’s take last game, for example.  Even with Sanders going out with a broken hand and Howard leaving with a stinger, Gainwell got 2 snaps.  In contrast, McPhearson got 27, Jackson got 36.  Both showed up on the stat line more than Gainwell.  McPhearson has been the third outside CB all season and got in whenever they needed for Slay or Nelson.   So far, he has held off Gowan, Vincent, McCain Jackson has been a consistent rotational DE all season and has seen his snaps increase.

Gainwell is entrenched as the fourth RB.   I like his potential but his production has been limited most games. The anointing of a level of success not yet shown is ridiculous.   He is as likely to be out of the league in two years as being on a roster at this point.  

Now, in fairness, Gainwell, like Gowan and Vincent all took last year off because of Covid.  I like the potential in all three, so it should be interesting how they perform next summer.

Slow it down a bit. I never said Gainwell is a stud or anointed him anything. I said he looks like a good pick so far. Dude has 5 TDs and almost 500 total yards in very limited usage. Watching him play, he looks like he can stick around. He'll never be a primary, bell cow back, but he fits in here as a nice change of pace and he's I think he's done well as a pass catching back so far. Hopefully he continues to improve, but you're right, he could easily be outta the league in a few years.

C'mon, McPhearson hasn't done squat. He has one PD over the season, and has played in very few snaps. His numbers look OK in terms of completion percentage against, and yards allowed per catch, but the sample size is so small, it's hard to glean anything about him. Maybe he'll be OK, I have no earthly idea at this point. But holding him above guys like Gowan and Vincent is meaningless. Both were let go by their original teams for pennies, there might be a reason for that...

Snap counts aren't everything. Alex Singleton probably leads all our LBs in snap counts, that doesn't mean he's good. 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Slow it down a bit. I never said Gainwell is a stud or anointed him anything. I said he looks like a good pick so far. Dude has 5 TDs and almost 500 total yards in very limited usage. Watching him play, he looks like he can stick around. He'll never be a primary, bell cow back, but he fits in here as a nice change of pace and he's I think he's done well as a pass catching back so far. Hopefully he continues to improve, but you're right, he could easily be outta the league in a few years.

C'mon, McPhearson hasn't done squat. He has one PD over the season, and has played in very few snaps. His numbers look OK in terms of completion percentage against, and yards allowed per catch, but the sample size is so small, it's hard to glean anything about him. Maybe he'll be OK, I have no earthly idea at this point. But holding him above guys like Gowan and Vincent is meaningless. Both were let go by their original teams for pennies, there might be a reason for that...

Snap counts aren't everything. Alex Singleton probably leads all our LBs in snap counts, that doesn't mean he's good. 

McPhearson is an odd one. He’s only played 123 snaps on defense, but he’s been mostly invisible. Is that because he’s playing well and teams haven’t been able to expose him? Or has the QB play been so bad they haven’t been able to attack him?

Just now, ManuManu said:

McPhearson is an odd one. He’s only played 123 snaps on defense, but he’s been mostly invisible. Is that because he’s playing well and teams haven’t been able to expose him? Or has the QB play been so bad they haven’t been able to attack him?

His snap counts:

ATL - 2

LAC - 24

DEN - 11

NWO - 26

NYJ - 33

NYG (game 2) - 27

In all other games he has 0 defensive snaps. He plays a lot of STs. But looking at that list, I think it's more the QB play being so bad. 

Again, overall, I don't think a judgement can be made on him one way or the other. The sample size is just far too small. 

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

His snap counts:

ATL - 2

LAC - 24

DEN - 11

NWO - 26

NYJ - 33

NYG (game 2) - 27

In all other games he has 0 defensive snaps. He plays a lot of STs. But looking at that list, I think it's more the QB play being so bad. 

Again, overall, I don't think a judgement can be made on him one way or the other. The sample size is just far too small. 

I'm pretty sure the Saints, Jets and Giants games he was also playing when the starters were pulled and the defense was playing soft.  The other times he was on the field were injury subs.

McPhearson has had no role on defense whatsoever but it isn't because he might not be talented enough.  The Eagles just don't play a Dime defense.  They are a base/nickel team.  The only CB playing are Slay, Nelson and Maddox. 

McPhearson and Chachere have been core ST players this year despite no defensive contributions.  

Gowan, Vincent, Scott and McClain (when on the 53) have all been healthy scratches for the majority of the season.  Scott saw a little bit of action when Maddox was hurt and some ST play.  

 

23 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I still have my Nintendo 64. I’ll play it everyone once in a while. Heck i still play techmo bowl on my Nintendo from time to time. 

I found my N64 and SNES last week, so I now have my consoles and cartridges again. Not sure when I'll get the time to get them out, but there are some games I am curious to play again...  I'm not sure some of them will be as good as I remember they were. LOL

 

11 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I found my N64 and SNES last week, so I now have my consoles and cartridges again. Not sure when I'll get the time to get them out, but there are some games I am curious to play again...  I'm not sure some of them will be as good as I remember they were. LOL

 

I still have my game cube for Mario Kart, and bought some older nintendo system games for it.

9 hours ago, BigEFly said:

Horse manure.  Let’s take last game, for example.  Even with Sanders going out with a broken hand and Howard leaving with a stinger, Gainwell got 2 snaps.  In contrast, McPhearson got 27, Jackson got 36.  Both showed up on the stat line more than Gainwell.  McPhearson has been the third outside CB all season and got in whenever they needed for Slay or Nelson.   So far, he has held off Gowan, Vincent, McCain Jackson has been a consistent rotational DE all season and has seen his snaps increase.

Gainwell is entrenched as the fourth RB.   I like his potential but his production has been limited most games. The anointing of a level of success not yet shown is ridiculous.   He is as likely to be out of the league in two years as being on a roster at this point.  

Now, in fairness, Gainwell, like Gowan and Vincent all took last year off because of Covid.  I like the potential in all three, so it should be interesting how they perform next summer.

As far as our draft class (or draft classes in general), I don't really care about what the statistical expectations are for draft picks in each round based on history (which we are often reminded of).  If that's where you set the bar, then good luck winning a SB by targeting the average result for your draft picks.  You won't hit the following, but it should be a goal...

For the first round and 2nd round, you want someone who contributes every week by the late stages of the season, although they don't necessarily need to start, given how rotation-heavy certain positions are.  You want signs that they have talent to win matchups and be a reason your team wins.  For 2021, they've actually accomplished that.

3rd round...you want them to show something on the field as a rookie at some point in the season.  Flash something.  They don't need a role, don't need to be used all the time...but play at some point and show us some potential.  Be a good backup.  Milton Williams has definitely managed that.  With the right coaching and development, their 2nd year expectations are upgraded to the expectations of a rookie 1st/2nd round pick.

4-7...make the team and earn it.  Don't be a liability on ST.  They probably will be a liability if they see the field outside of ST.  Go into year 2 with the goal of being a good backup and contributing on more than just ST.  Try to get one real player from this band per draft....obviously, that doesn't happen, but it should be a goal.  We'll learn more about all those guys next year.  I don't think any of them have immediately proven to be out of their depth or flashed anything special.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

As far as our draft class (or draft classes in general), I don't really care about what the statistical expectations are for draft picks in each round based on history (which we are often reminded of).  If that's where you set the bar, then good luck winning a SB by targeting the average result for your draft picks.  You won't hit the following, but it should be a goal...

For the first round and 2nd round, you want someone who contributes every week by the late stages of the season, although they don't necessarily need to start, given how rotation-heavy certain positions are.  You want signs that they have talent to win matchups and be a reason your team wins.  For 2021, they've actually accomplished that.

3rd round...you want them to show something on the field as a rookie at some point in the season.  Flash something.  They don't need a role, don't need to be used all the time...but play at some point and show us some potential.  Be a good backup.  Milton Williams has definitely managed that.  With the right coaching and development, their 2nd year expectations are upgraded to the expectations of a rookie 1st/2nd round pick.

4-7...make the team and earn it.  Don't be a liability on ST.  They probably will be a liability if they see the field outside of ST.  Go into year 2 with the goal of being a good backup and contributing on more than just ST.  Try to get one real player from this band per draft....obviously, that doesn't happen, but it should be a goal.  We'll learn more about all those guys next year.  I don't think any of them have immediately proven to be out of their depth or flashed anything special.

I think the disconnect is how people treat hitting the average target of draft position, especially on day 3. Unless you have an elite QB to cover the flaws, you’re setting yourself up to be average. Of course you hope for better, and hope to find a difference maker or guy who vastly exceeds draft slot (Mailata, for example). 

Over time, you absolutely have to hit big on some picks, but that doesn’t make "hitting the target” on a given pick a bad thing either. 

57 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

His snap counts:

ATL - 2

LAC - 24

DEN - 11

NWO - 26

NYJ - 33

NYG (game 2) - 27

In all other games he has 0 defensive snaps. He plays a lot of STs. But looking at that list, I think it's more the QB play being so bad. 

Again, overall, I don't think a judgement can be made on him one way or the other. The sample size is just far too small. 

Right. In his limited snaps, he’s mostly doing later poor passing offenses. The exception was the Chargers, who didn’t attack him. Is he playing ok? I don’t know. 

Can someone smarter than I am explain the rationale for not involving Gainwell more in uptempo? With Gainwell and Goedert's multiple skill sets, you could run a whole bunch of formations in the hurry-up. Puts pressure on the defense, takes some off Hurts. Allows you to establish an actual rhythm in the passing game. Am I crazy?

Also, regarding Sanders, I think it's easy to say Sanders wasn't scoring TDs because Hurts was getting the bulk of the RZ/GL work. But then you notice Scott has 5 rushing TDs, Gainwell has 4, and Howard has 3. Big no thanks on re-signing Sanders.

6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Can someone smarter than I am explain the rationale for not involving Gainwell more in uptempo? With Gainwell and Goedert's multiple skill sets, you could run a whole bunch of formations in the hurry-up. Puts pressure on the defense, takes some off Hurts. Allows you to establish an actual rhythm in the passing game. Am I crazy?

He’s been the primary two minute back 

41 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think the disconnect is how people treat hitting the average target of draft position, especially on day 3. Unless you have an elite QB to cover the flaws, you’re setting yourself up to be average. Of course you hope for better, and hope to find a difference maker or guy who vastly exceeds draft slot (Mailata, for example). 

Over time, you absolutely have to hit big on some picks, but that doesn’t make "hitting the target” on a given pick a bad thing either. 

I think it’s good to set a goal of picking up a Mailata in the late rounds every 5-10 years, ideally closer to 5.  It may sound crazy, but they aren’t that far off.

Trent Cole, 2005

Jason Kelce, 2011

Mailata, 2018.

Heck, that’s better than any 3 first rounders from the last 15 years.

This is our best draft class since 2013. It'll set a good foundation for years after the messes of 2019/2020.

11 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

According to pro-football-reference.com:

CAY/PA

Completed air yards per pass attempt - Air yards (on completed passes) per pass attempt

3.8 - Rank:  17th

CAY/Cmp

Completed air yards per completion - Yards the ball traveled in the air past the LoS prior to a completion

6.2 - Rank:  10th

He's also 7th in YAC/Cmp at 5.6 - Pass yards after catch per completion

So his WRs are getting good YAC for him.

EDIT:

This is the same site that 4for4's favourite muppet got his stats about Hurts' On Target % and Poor Pass % and the numbers don't add up to me.

completions:  248

attempts:  406

on target passes:  301 - 78.6%

receiver drops:  22

So that's a difference of 53 between completions and on target passes, but only 22 drops which leaves 31 'on target' passes unaccounted for.  No way is that 31 DPIs that would have been on target passes.  That's way too many.

Conclusion:  This site might be as bad as PFF.

BTW, Hurts ranks higher in the above categories than Brady, Rodgers, and Mahomes.  We all know they are better QBs than Hurts so just the stats by themselves don't tell the whole story and you always need context to go with the numbers.

 

This post sent me down a rabbit hole.  I think there's so many assumptions that are made about QB decisions that may be completely incorrect because of scheme and play call that such that some stats are just guesses.  I do think that PFR is looking at data about the trajectory of a pass and the location of the receiver when the ball is thrown.   PFR isn't collecting data.  They list Sportsradar as their source for stats.  Sportsradar appears to collect data primarily through RFID chips in ball and on players.  https://tcbmag.com/sportradar-plays-the-numbers-game/  PFR defines "On Target Throws" as "throws that would have hit the intended receiving target." https://www.pro-football-reference.com/about/advanced_stats.htm Now there may be some subjective quality to the data and error in measurement due to the performance of the technology.  I do think the information reflects the direction of the pass in relation to the intended receiver. 

I am not sure that it really means anything about progress or accuracy to judge his performance.  We don't know what "would have" means.  I mean does "would have" mean it would have hit any part of the receiver's body such as his foot.  Does it mean that it would have but for a DB breaking up the pass? Do we know whether it reflects receivers having to adjust routes to the ball? It's information that has relevance but I don't think it does anything to move my view on Hurts as a QB.  

He has shown signs of progress as a QB.  I just think there's nothing I see that points to him being the answer at QB.  I do like his approach and he seems like a decent person. I am rooting for him to succeed.  

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Also, regarding Sanders, I think it's easy to say Sanders wasn't scoring TDs because Hurts was getting the bulk of the RZ/GL work. But then you notice Scott has 5 rushing TDs, Gainwell has 4, and Howard has 3. Big no thanks on re-signing Sanders.

If I was Howie I'd keep him around for 2022 and let him walk as a UFA, or tell him to bring me his best contract offer from another team and see if I match it.  At the same time I'm not all that concerned about TD production when his career yards per carry is 5.1 on 480 carries. 

The issue with Sanders is time in the infirmary.

Saw that Mickey Loomis is crying that the NFL didn't push their game Monday because they have 18 guys out with COVID. Funny, they didn't cry last year when the Broncos had to field a guy from the bleachers as their QB. 

1 minute ago, RLC said:

This is our best draft class since 2013. It'll set a good foundation for years after the messes of 2019/2020.

I think it’s too early to say that, just as it’s too early to call people busts.

You all call me negative…and I’m not saying this will happen…but with poor qb play, Smith could just amount to a thin, highly polished, quality route running WR, who was already maxed out as a rookie and never takes the next step.  Dickerson could succumb to injuries.  And the rest of the draft class could turn into nothing.

That is very much a possibility at this point.  Of course, so it is Smith turning into Marvin Harrison, Dickerson a perennial all-pro, Williams a stud DL, and one of the later guys emerging as a quality starter.  And then that’s the kind of draft class that wins you a super bowl from the war room in April.

13 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Also, regarding Sanders, I think it's easy to say Sanders wasn't scoring TDs because Hurts was getting the bulk of the RZ/GL work. But then you notice Scott has 5 rushing TDs, Gainwell has 4, and Howard has 3. Big no thanks on re-signing Sanders.

But then you notice even further that only 1 of Scott's and none of Howard's TDs were scored when Sanders was available. 

Also, show me a Gainwell TD that wasn't perfectly blocked.

Sanders isn't flawless, but this isn't the argument to be made.

Gainwell will get plenty of work Sunday with both Sanders and Howard out. 

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Saw that Mickey Loomis is crying that the NFL didn't push their game Monday because they have 18 guys out with COVID. Funny, they didn't cry last year when the Broncos had to field a guy from the bleachers as their QB. 

The Saints' biggest problem is Mickey Loomis' succession plan after Drew Brees.  Best line from Mad Max -- "What a Puny Plan"

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

You all call me negative…and I’m not saying this will happen…but with poor qb play, Smith could just amount to a thin, highly polished, quality route running WR, who was already maxed out as a rookie and never takes the next step.  Dickerson could succumb to injuries.  And the rest of the draft class could turn into nothing.

If none of the draft class improves...it's still a good draft class. Smith is good. Dickerson is good. Williams is a #3 DT. Gainwell is a functional 3rd down RB. Tarron Jackson is a rotational DL.