19. Tyler Linderbaum - OC Iowa

20. Devin Lloyd - LB Utah

23. Daxton Hill - S Michigan

51. Carson Strong - QB Nevada

85. Isaiah Spiller - RB Texas A&M

122. Tyreke Smith - Edge Ohio St.

151. Emil Ekiyor - OG Alabama

161. Zakoby McClain - LB Auburn

166. Cole Turner - TE Nevada

207. AJ Hampton - CB Northwestern

Just completed this draft, no trades. I know some wont be happy, but I really like this draft. Spiller at 85 is tremendous value and we get a backup TE that we need that also has some familiarity with Strong. OG is a sneaky need as Seumalo had a serious injury, Driscoll cant stay healthy, Dickerson has an extensive injury history and Herbig is Herbig.

 

36 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

That's fair. But 12:0 is a pretty big disparity no matter how you slice it. Sanders has been the top back for a big chunk of the year.

The OL wasn't blocking well for Sanders?

I should rephrase -- I would not re-sign Sanders for what I anticipate his market value would be (around what Kamara got but not much below, I'd guess). A Kenyon Drake like contract? Sure, why not.

Kamara is the second highest paid RB and is $15 APY. I'd guess his value plus inflation is more in line with Melvin Gordon who got slightly more than half that.

2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

McPhearson is an odd one. He’s only played 123 snaps on defense, but he’s been mostly invisible. Is that because he’s playing well and teams haven’t been able to expose him? Or has the QB play been so bad they haven’t been able to attack him?

Probably a combination of both.  I liked him in the draft.  I think he replaces Nelson next year. Not a #1 CB, but a good #2.  That said, I really liked Gowan based on his play the year before last so getting him was a nice move. I also liked Vincent. Thought he might have the best nickel prospects in the draft.  (Having limited film and not being able to see if they would take the next step hurt both Gowan and Vincent in the draft.  Good gambles, both.)Vincent is sort  of what Howie thought he got with Wallace, a DB with S and Nickel skills.  Think Maddox 2.0 but a bit bigger.  Interestingly, they have Vincent listed as a DB like Chachere, who may have passed Wallace on the depth chart.  They seem to like Mayden too.  Both Mayden and Vincent have blazing speed.  Wonder if they see either as a possible FS.  Mayden, Chachere and Vincent have CB skills.  Gowan is an outside CB.  Both he and McPhearson are 4.5 guys like Chachere.  I still want to see some draft capital spent on the secondary next year, but Eagles have stockpiled some decent potential talent at the position. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

this would be epic. 

Obviously I doubt Linderbaum and Strong last that long but holy poop, yes please 

Linderbaum, maybe. Strong, probably not. Spiller, probably not.

Would really strengthen the team, though.

7 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I am pretty sure he broke some long runs in 2020. I remember one against the Saints I think

EDIT: Look at long run per game. 82 against the Saints. 74 against BAL and PIT

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4045163/type/nfl/year/2020

Perhaps because we didn’t run early in the season and then he missed 3(?) games when we did… I don’t think explosion is necessarily the problem, opportunity/availability more likely - at least in terms of making top 10 lists.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I am pretty sure he broke some long runs in 2020. I remember one against the Saints I think

EDIT: Look at lone run per game. 82 against the Saints. 74 against BAL and PIT

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/4045163/type/nfl/year/2020

The whole narrative about 2020 is that all Sanders did was break a couple big runs and did nothing else in between. 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

As far as our draft class (or draft classes in general), I don't really care about what the statistical expectations are for draft picks in each round based on history (which we are often reminded of).  If that's where you set the bar, then good luck winning a SB by targeting the average result for your draft picks.  You won't hit the following, but it should be a goal...

For the first round and 2nd round, you want someone who contributes every week by the late stages of the season, although they don't necessarily need to start, given how rotation-heavy certain positions are.  You want signs that they have talent to win matchups and be a reason your team wins.  For 2021, they've actually accomplished that.

3rd round...you want them to show something on the field as a rookie at some point in the season.  Flash something.  They don't need a role, don't need to be used all the time...but play at some point and show us some potential.  Be a good backup.  Milton Williams has definitely managed that.  With the right coaching and development, their 2nd year expectations are upgraded to the expectations of a rookie 1st/2nd round pick.

4-7...make the team and earn it.  Don't be a liability on ST.  They probably will be a liability if they see the field outside of ST.  Go into year 2 with the goal of being a good backup and contributing on more than just ST.  Try to get one real player from this band per draft....obviously, that doesn't happen, but it should be a goal.  We'll learn more about all those guys next year.  I don't think any of them have immediately proven to be out of their depth or flashed anything special.

I think that is a misguided approach to the third day. Lots of low cost capital and volume means potentially hitting.  The ground is littered with first two day choice busts and the teams are full of third day and UDFA successes   The HOF has a fair number of the latter as well.  And those later picks and UDFAs may be better than "average”.   Eagles have been rather successful with day three and UDFA prospects and some have been above "average”.  

Jordan Howard, who would probably be out of the league and couldn't find another roster spot, had a resurgence running behind this offensive line. I like Miles, seems like a great guy and is a good player when out there, but if he's looking to break the bank it won't and probably shouldn't be here. Running back is a devalued position and even more so here when you have an elite offensive line and can just plug and play guys. For a team that's going to need DL, LB, and S help, RB should be at the bottom of the list. 

Any cheap DEs that are on the market? Ideally we can draft one, but we have so many holes. They don't have to have double digit sacks, just produce more than Barnett.

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Play calling was atrocious as soon as Reich left. Preached it from the Jags game in London. 

Said it before, say it again, Doug will go down as one of the worst to win. (unpopular opinion in here). 

 

Barry Switzer?

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Barry Switzer?

I'd take Switzer as a coach over John Gruden anytime.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Jordan Howard, who would probably be out of the league and couldn't find another roster spot, had a resurgence running behind this offensive line. I like Miles, seems like a great guy and is a good player when out there, but if he's looking to break the bank it won't and probably shouldn't be here. Running back is a devalued position and even more so here when you have an elite offensive line and can just plug and play guys. For a team that's going to need DL, LB, and S help, RB should be at the bottom of the list. 

Yup when one has the talent at O line along with the scheme the eagles have finding a couple platoon RBs to run behind that O line isn't difficult.

Howard was claimed off the trash heap, Boston Scott was on Saints PS.

Gainwell is a 4th round rookie who should only get better with an off season of NFL strength training.

No need to over pay Sanders and no need to use a high pick on RB when the team is in need of so many other positions.

One can argue that one shouldn't draft for need and just take best available player and I'd say how'd that work out with Barkley and the Giants 

RB is a devalued position league wide and with most teams going with a platoon no need to fret over 1 guy 

If Sanders walks I don't think it's that big of a deal.

46 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Not disagreeing at all on the points above.  Let's say if our first pick is at #19 and Thibodeaux, Hutchinson, Karlaftis are gone -- then the Eagles could hope to have these guys on the board at their pick:

David Ojabo -- Michigan

Jermaine Johnson -- Florida State

Kingsley Enagbare -- South Carolina

Myjai Sanders -- Cincinnati

Drake Jackson -- USC

 

Outside of those guys I think the prospects are later Day 2 guys.  Personally I like Enagbare and Johnson from what I've seen, but I have doubts they can be impact edge rushers.

OK.

 

So do you trade 2 of our firsts (or maybe a 1&2) to move up and get one of the top DEs?

22 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think it’s too early to say that, just as it’s too early to call people busts.

You all call me negative…and I’m not saying this will happen…but with poor qb play, Smith could just amount to a thin, highly polished, quality route running WR, who was already maxed out as a rookie and never takes the next step.  Dickerson could succumb to injuries.  And the rest of the draft class could turn into nothing.

That is very much a possibility at this point.  Of course, so it is Smith turning into Marvin Harrison, Dickerson a perennial all-pro, Williams a stud DL, and one of the later guys emerging as a quality starter.  And then that’s the kind of draft class that wins you a super bowl from the war room in April.

I think ultimately judging a player is a season  to season process. It's not fair to judge a player as a bust after one season but it's fair to say when a player has performed well enough to look worth the evaluation.  It's fair to say Reagor hasn't looked like a 1st round pick in terms of talent or production.  Whereas, Watkins has definitely looked more talented than a 6th round pick.  Just as it's fair to say that both Smith and Dickinson have played up to their value.  Ultimately a career isn't made in one season.  I think it is fair to say that both Smith and Dickinson won't fail due to a lack of talent. 

Looking back at whether a draft makes for the long-term core of a Championship team is difficult as well. Wentz, Vaitai and Seumalo were key parts of the 2017 but they're not  core parts of the team now.   I don't think that makes the 2016 draft failed.   Kelce and Johnson were key parts and long-term solution. Cox and Kendricks were also key parts of the team.  Foles likely would not have been on the team again but for his past as a draft pick of the team. I just don't think we have a sense of value until we see how each year plays out and winning a Championship seems as hitting on players having career seasons as well as having core parts. 

 

56 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I have criticized Howie a lot for his drafting (who hasn't?)...but I actually think he has done a really, really good job with mid/late round picks and has been really bad in rounds 1-2.  

I think he panics with the early picks.  Danny Watkins and Marcus Smith were bizarrely rationalized reaches.  Jordan Matthews and JJAW were low upside cinderblock footed WRs who fit the narrow checkboxes they were looking for.  Reagor was a panic departure from Jeffery/JJAW when they missed out on the explosive athlete the year before.  There's more, but there are just a graveyard of 1st and 2nd round picks with very few success stories.  And the success stories were obvious.  Devonta Smith sitting there with his background.  Lane Johnson nearly dictated to them with how the top 5 broke in 2011.  

I think he flat out drafts more talented players in the later rounds because there is less fear of swinging and missing...which not only results in more talent but also results in fewer swings and misses.  Kelce over Danny Watkins.  Quez Watkins over Reagor.  Mailata over Dillard.

They generally find more explosive athletes with less of a fixed ceiling later in the draft than what they somehow rationalize settling for early on.

Howie holds himself out as a consensus builder but he's more fairly an appeaser.  In the early rounds, his tendency is to sign off on picks that I think appease Lurie and coaches. I don't think Watkins was considered a reach but it was definitely to appease Reid.  Smith was the same sort of pick.  When he's concerned about keeping his scouts happy he sticks to the board which tends to produce better results.  

24 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Play calling was atrocious as soon as Reich left. Preached it from the Jags game in London. 

Said it before, say it again, Doug will go down as one of the worst to win. (unpopular opinion in here). 

 

Doug Pederson >>>>>> Bill Cowher

23 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Play calling was atrocious as soon as Reich left. Preached it from the Jags game in London. 

Said it before, say it again, Doug will go down as one of the worst to win. (unpopular opinion in here). 

 

One of the worst HCs to win a SB? Not sure about that. He found a great group of coordinators and staff but it was split up and he was never able to replicate it. He was also way too loyal and stubborn to his bad replacements

He might be able to rebuild it now that he's had time to rethink everything. Seems he needs a good group of supporting coordinators to surround himself with

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd take Switzer as a coach over John Gruden anytime.

Yeah, didn’t the Bucs trade multiple picks for him too. Ugh - Blaine Bishop, so close.

32 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Play calling was atrocious as soon as Reich left. Preached it from the Jags game in London. 

Said it before, say it again, Doug will go down as one of the worst to win. (unpopular opinion in here). 

 

I think Doug was set up well in the beginning to be what I want from my HC - overseer of the team, but not a play caller on either side of the ball.  He was a good leader of men, presented a good vision and created a good atmosphere for others to do their jobs.

But as a play caller, he left plenty to be desired.

22 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd take Switzer as a coach over John Gruden anytime.

Gruden was good with that veteran Bucs team, problem came when he needed to replace his aging stars and failed to do so.

Switzer was handed a championship dynasty and given the best DB in the league, all he had to do was not totally screw it up, I could've coached that team to a super bowl.

8 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

OK.

 

So do you trade 2 of our firsts (or maybe a 1&2) to move up and get one of the top DEs?

I think it depends how the board falls; right now the Eagles have picks #19, 20, and 23 -- which according to the NFL Trade Value Chart is worth 875, 850, and 760 points

Pick #52 is worth 380 points, so trading #19 and #52 would get them to Pick #11 -- theoretically.  Trading #20 and 23 could get them up to Pick #7.

The problem is, I see only Thibodeaux and Hutchinson as worthy of that type of trade-up and I think they might both go top 5.  Karlaftis and Ojabo are quite good, but I might let the board play out to see if one of them are still there at 14 or 15.  I think I'd rather just take Engabare or Johnson with one of our existing picks.

Now, if Kyle Hamilton is unexpectedly on the board I would trade up to #6 or 7 to grab him -- rather than let the Giants or WFT draft him at #8 or 9 (as the board currently sits).

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Now, if Kyle Hamilton is unexpectedly on the board I would trade up to #6 or 7 to grab him -- rather than let the Giants or WFT draft him at #8 or 9 (as the board currently sits).

Giants have the 5th pick currently

The Eagles need quantity over quality but both would be the ideal. I am really against combining 1st round picks to move up. Sit still and grab the BPA please.

7 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Gruden was good with that veteran Bucs team, problem came when he needed to replace his aging stars and failed to do so.

Switzer was handed a championship dynasty and given the best DB in the league, all he had to do was not totally screw it up, I could've coached that team to a super bowl.

True, but the Switzer DAL got wasn't a prime Barry Switzer; he'd already been out of coaching for 5 years when Jerry brought him in to replace Jimmy Johnson.  As soon as he won that Super Bowl he went into semi-retirement mode -- much to the frustration of Troy Aikman and some other DAL players   lol

Switzer at Oklahoma was a force ... until many of his players got into trouble with the law.

1 minute ago, aptosbird said:

The Eagles need quantity over quality but both would be the ideal. I am really against combing 1st round picks to move up. Sit still and grab the BPA please.

Only issue I have with staying out is Howie has drafted Derek Barnett, Andre Dillard and Jalen Reagor in this range.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Giants have the 5th pick currently

They do -- but I'm hoping if they fire Joe Judge a new HC might want a new QB.  Corral sucks, and he'd look great in Giants colors.

Defense is less about stars than avoiding weaknesses that a good OC can exploit.

So you want solid depth and guys who fill roles well, a great CB can be negated by a subpar nickel back who gets burned all game.