16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

There’s actually a decent FA market if the eagles choose to go that route. the value might be there as you don’t have to break the bank at RB in FA if the eagles don’t choose to bring back Howard. Outside of fournette who’s the big RB FA, you have James Connor, chase Edmonds, marlon Mack, Darrel Williams and Sony Michel. 

Even a guy like D’Onta Foreman has shown well as a power back. He has three 100-yard games this year. Rashaad Penny has gone off for the past month and he’s still young. Even settling for Howard and a draft pick isn’t a bad outcome.

The Eagles can probably wait out there market and sign the last remaining guy for dirt cheap. 

5 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I would argue it's both, but you raise an interesting point. This season he is in a perfect situation - Great O-Line, MVP running back, his hand picked genius playcaller/HC, no Foles/Hurts looking over his shoulder.

The Colts have a top 10 D in DVOA and the NFL's leading rusher. What are the odds he gets that again?

14 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Why would we get rid of a RB that's likely better than most those guys?  You guys want to let a near pro-bowl level RB go (when healthy) so we spend slightly less on a RB like Michel?  No thanks.  

Letting Sanders walk or trade is playing with fire.  With the way these RB's get banged up, we could easily fall back into the Smallwood days of RB's.  And what will that do for this new offensive scheme? 

You do realize Sony Michel has been great for the rams over the last 5 weeks right? do you watch the rams? because your comment would suggest you don’t  

here’s a problem Miles Sanders never stays healthy. He either leaves the game early or he misses weeks at a time. At some point in time if he’s not on the field, it doesn’t help you. So why am I going to pay a Running back who can’t stay healthy? don’t give me this crap he’s going to give the Eagles a team friendly contract because he can’t stay healthy. That tells me he’s more likely to take whoever is going to give him the most money because he can’t stay healthy. He’s missed 9 games the last two years that doesn’t even include the other 3-5games where left early. That’s about 25-30% of the games he’s not there or gets hurt.

Just gonna let you know the Arizona Cardinals went out and sign James Conner to basically nothing contract this offseason. They drafted Chase Edmonds in the 4th round a couple years and yet seemingly have no problems running the football. You seem to think Miles Sanders is irreplaceable. They replaced Brian Westbrook with lesean McCoy. They replaced LeSean McCoy with LeGarrette Blount and Jay Ajayi. He replaced Jay Ajayi and LeGarrette Blount a year later in 2019 with Miles Sanders and Jordan.  You seem to make this argument he is some irreplaceable piece meanwhile misses a quarter of the season every year

 

 

7 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

I would argue it's both, but you raise an interesting point. This season he is in a perfect situation - Great O-Line, MVP running back, his hand picked genius playcaller/HC, no Foles/Hurts looking over his shoulder.

Yet, he is nowhere near his potential that we saw in 2017, it's to the stage where the Colts had to take the ball out of his hands and go to a run dominant attack.

 

We gotta remember he broke his foot in training camp and then when he came back by the time to start the season he somehow managed to sprain both of his ankles at the same time.  Add this to being his first season on a new team and he never really had a chance to show what we saw in 2017.  If he can stay healthy (huge if obviously with him) then maybe he shows that in 2018.  

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You do realize Sony Michel has been great for the rams over the last 5 weeks right? do you watch the rams? because your comment would suggest you don’t  

here’s a problem Miles Sanders never stays healthy. He either leaves the game early or he misses weeks at a time. At some point in time if he’s not on the field, it doesn’t help you. So why am I going to pay a Running back who can’t stay healthy? I don’t give me this craps he’s going to give the Eagles a team friendly contract because he can’t stay healthy. That tells me he’s more likely to take whoever is going to give him the most money because he can’t stay healthy. He’s missed 9 games the last two years that doesn’t even include the other 3-5games where left early. That’s about 25-30% of the games he’s not there or gets hurt.

Just gonna let you know the Arizona Cardinals went out and sign James Conner to basically nothing contract this offseason. They drafted had Chase Edmonds in the 4th round a couple years and yet seemingly have no problems running the football. You seem to think Miles Sanders is irreplaceable. They replaced Brian Westbrook with Michelle McCoy. They replaced LeSean McCoy with LeGarrette Blount and Jay Ajayi. He replaced Jay Ajayi and LeGarrette Blount a year later in 2019 with Miles Sanders and Jordan.  You seem to make this argument like you some irreplaceable piece meal she misses a quarter of the season every year

 

That bish!

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

That bish!

lol. I hate microphone on the iPhone. It also butchered my last sentence. 

This is Hurts' potential:

How many NFL QB's can make that play on a regular basis?  Mahommes and maybe a handful of others? 

 

 

No way they give Sanders a 2nd contract, they’d be insane to do so.

That being said….if we have any chance at winning a playoff game in two weeks, we’ll need him back and playing well

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You do realize Sony Michel has been great for the rams over the last 5 weeks right? do you watch the rams? because your comment would suggest you don’t  

here’s a problem Miles Sanders never stays healthy. He either leaves the game early or he misses weeks at a time. At some point in time if he’s not on the field, it doesn’t help you. So why am I going to pay a Running back who can’t stay healthy? don’t give me this crap he’s going to give the Eagles a team friendly contract because he can’t stay healthy. That tells me he’s more likely to take whoever is going to give him the most money because he can’t stay healthy. He’s missed 9 games the last two years that doesn’t even include the other 3-5games where left early. That’s about 25-30% of the games he’s not there or gets hurt.

Just gonna let you know the Arizona Cardinals went out and sign James Conner to basically nothing contract this offseason. They drafted had Chase Edmonds in the 4th round a couple years and yet seemingly have no problems running the football. You seem to think Miles Sanders is irreplaceable. They replaced Brian Westbrook with Michelle McCoy. They replaced LeSean McCoy with LeGarrette Blount and Jay Ajayi. He replaced Jay Ajayi and LeGarrette Blount a year later in 2019 with Miles Sanders and Jordan.  You seem to make this argument he is some irreplaceable piece meanwhile misses a quarter of the season every year

 

 

 

To be fair they did not replace McCoy with LeGarrette Blount and Jay Ajayi.  They replaced him with a duct taped together Ryan Matthews and a completely washed DeMarco Murray.

35 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I see the logic and we have the picks, but too many rookies for me - the Howard replacement, sure. I’d roll with Boston Scott on the vet minimum in ‘22 as the 4th back and then use a day 2 pick to replace Miles in ‘23.

Drafting two doesn't mean that you have to rely on both, unless they earn it.   The way I see it, especially with those two in particular... they are 'vets' of big games though.  Robinson was just MVP of the Cotton Bowl... and many other big games, you can trust him in big spots if needed.  Zahir White has had only one fumble each year during his 3 years at the college ranks.  And one of them needs to learn Pro pass protection.  Let the best man win.  And if by the end of the year, they are both past Scott... even better.

But, I am a fan of the saturation drafting process, especially in later rounds.  The odds seem low anyway in Rounds 5-7.  Why not double up and hope to hit on one of the two picks? 

 

32 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I keep loving the drafts with 5 defensive players in the first 5 picks. And no matter how much the defense needs that infusion of youth and talent, I realize that if we want to take a step forward on defense, we cant actually start 5 rookies (assuming they even all panned out).

I might have to start mixing a WR, or an earlier RB in to my mocks. 

Some of the defensive talent is going to have to come through free agency.

Agreed.  But, even hitting, its doubtful they'd all start as rookies anyway, but could be worked in slowly in reserve roles and ST.  This can't be looked at as a one year fix.  

But, if mixing a RB in to the earlier rounds... Spiller is my guy, or Walker from MSU.

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This is Hurts' potential:

How many NFL QB's can make that play on a regular basis?  Mahommes and maybe a handful of others? 

 

 

It’s an exceptional play because nobody makes it "on a regular basis”.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Colts have a top 10 D in DVOA and the NFL's leading rusher. What are the odds he gets that again?

Well part of the reason they have the league leading rusher is because they can’t rely on him for a pass heavy attack.
 

Like us they are better being a run first offense

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

To be fair they did not replace McCoy with LeGarrette Blount and Jay Ajayi.  They replaced him with a duct taped together Ryan Matthews and a completely washed DeMarco Murray.

Even so Ryan Mathews was fine. They didn’t struggle running the ball with him. he averaged the two years he was here 5.1 yards per carry and 4.3 yards per carry. And they had sproles up until 2017 to go with him. 

if they replace miles sanders by drafting a younger, cheaper and healthier back and adding a veteran as well isn’t going to destroy the team. 

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You do realize Sony Michel has been great for the rams over the last 5 weeks right? do you watch the rams? because your comment would suggest you don’t  

here’s a problem Miles Sanders never stays healthy. He either leaves the game early or he misses weeks at a time. At some point in time if he’s not on the field, it doesn’t help you. So why am I going to pay a Running back who can’t stay healthy? don’t give me this crap he’s going to give the Eagles a team friendly contract because he can’t stay healthy. That tells me he’s more likely to take whoever is going to give him the most money because he can’t stay healthy. He’s missed 9 games the last two years that doesn’t even include the other 3-5games where left early. That’s about 25-30% of the games he’s not there or gets hurt.

Just gonna let you know the Arizona Cardinals went out and sign James Conner to basically nothing contract this offseason. They drafted Chase Edmonds in the 4th round a couple years and yet seemingly have no problems running the football. You seem to think Miles Sanders is irreplaceable. They replaced Brian Westbrook with lesean McCoy. They replaced LeSean McCoy with LeGarrette Blount and Jay Ajayi. He replaced Jay Ajayi and LeGarrette Blount a year later in 2019 with Miles Sanders and Jordan.  You seem to make this argument he is some irreplaceable piece meanwhile misses a quarter of the season every year

 

He's a top 10 NFL RB when healthy.  So no, they're not that "easily" replaceable unless you want to use a top 2 pick or spend 12-15 per year in Free Agency.

Sanders is basically Brian Westbrook 2.0.  He's being underused in the passing game, imo.  He can play the slot and go out wide etc.  

Health is a concern so a 1 year "prove it type deal" might be in the works.  Or a 4 year deal with little guaranteed but with % of games played escalators.  Low base but if he plays 80% or more of the games, then gets a huge bonus, etc etc 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Even so Ryan Mathews was fine. They didn’t struggle running the ball with him. he averaged the two years he was here 5.1 yards per carry and 4.3 yards per carry. And they had sproles up until 2017 to go with him. 

if they replace miles sanders by drafting a younger, cheaper and healthier back and adding a veteran as well isn’t going to destroy the team. 

Ryan Matthews and Sproles were tier 2 level RB's.  Sanders is a tier 1, likely top 10. 

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This is Hurts' potential:

How many NFL QB's can make that play on a regular basis?  Mahommes and maybe a handful of others? 

 

 

You want to focus on that play?   The one where he bailed out of a perfectly good pocket for no reason, again to play street ball when he didn't need to as his ceiling? 

Pause the video at the point that he hits the top of his drop (the 4 second mark)... look at where his eyes are... and then he starts the dance.  There was NO PRESSURE on him until he made the move up.  

He needs to make that conversion from inside the pocket to get to his ceiling.  It was a good outcome play, but it wasn't a good process play.

16 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

It’s an exceptional play because nobody makes it "on a regular basis”.

"Regular basis" with that type of play means several times a year.  And it was to show what his ceiling/potential is.  If he can make that play, then he's capable of making just about any play.  

32 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’ve been going with multiple defensive lineman as they can be used in the rotation/sub packages (estate planning for Fletch, BG - and we will have vacancies after launching Barnett/Kerrigan into space) . I like Burks a lot as an early offensive option based on the kind of throws Swag makes - contested, varying accuracy, bubbles. In terms of free agency - I keep landing on safety, as they aren’t prohibitively expensive but plugging a rookie right-in is really dicey for a team that wants to compete.

At WR, I kind of like Pierce in round 3. Hes the bigger WR you kind of gravitate towards to put opposite Smith. Yet, hes not just a slow possession guy. The amount of back shoulders Ridder loved to throw him, and being White kind of naturally reminds you of Jordy Nelson. But Nelson became a great route runner and full well rounded WR who was damn near physically dominant. Im not sure Pierce is all out dominant, at least not yet. But he does make a bunch of tough grabs. Im not sure hes a great route runner yet. But his skillset is probably fine for a #2 WR right away. To me he resembles a Gallup or Golladay type.

I really like David Bell. He reminds me a lot of Smith. The route running is top notch already. Not elite burner speed, but enough speed to get deep- especially with his fantastic releases and stems. But I think he should go early round 2 and thats probably too rich. 

I think because of injuries, maybe Metchie and or Pickens, and Justyn Ross may be available in round 3, along with Pierce. It is a spot potentially with very enticing value at WR.

 

Agree with you on safety.  Its a cerebral position where you know you are going to take lumps starting rookies. Price has gone up at the position but still value compared to CB or DL. 

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Drafting two doesn't mean that you have to rely on both, unless they earn it.   The way I see it, especially with those two in particular... they are 'vets' of big games though.  Robinson was just MVP of the Cotton Bowl... and many other big games, you can trust him in big spots if needed.  Zahir White has had only one fumble each year during his 3 years at the college ranks.  And one of them needs to learn Pro pass protection.  Let the best man win.  And if by the end of the year, they are both past Scott... even better.

But, I am a fan of the saturation drafting process, especially in later rounds.  The odds seem low anyway in Rounds 5-7.  Why not double up and hope to hit on one of the two picks? 

I’m not hostile to the notion, especially if we are carrying 5 backs. Sort of new territory in terms of roster management, but this offense is somewhat peculiar to be honest.

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

I’m not hostile to the notion, especially if we are carrying 5 backs. Sort of new territory in terms of roster management, but this offense is somewhat peculiar to be honest.

Of course.   But, if we are a 60-40 run-pass ratio team, you need more horses.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

I really like David Bell.

Not sure he's allowed to wear that glove on a football field.

I just realized that with Sanders out the next game and Hurts already passing him in rushing yards this past game then that means that Jalen Hurts becomes only the 2nd QB in franchise history to be both the Eagles leading passer and rusher in a season.  Cunningham is the only other to do this, he did it 4 times with the last of which being 1990.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You want to focus on that play?   The one where he bailed out of a perfectly good pocket for no reason, again to play street ball when he didn't need to as his ceiling? 

Pause the video at the point that he hits the top of his drop (the 4 second mark)... look at where his eyes are... and then he starts the dance.  There was NO PRESSURE on him until he made the move up.  

He needs to make that conversion from inside the pocket to get to his ceiling.  It was a good outcome play, but it wasn't a good process play.

Watch it again.  He steps back then steps back IN the pocket, looks, then finds a lane, shifts over, looks again, then runs.  He just does it 5X faster than most pocket passers so it looks as if he was running the whole time but he wasn't.  He was making reads, shifting, then he ran. Doesn't get any better than that.  Hurts will never be a Tom Brady "statue" type of QB.  And he won't need to be if he can make plays like that. 

If Wentz had made that play (he had a similar type play that went for a TD in the corner) this board would have been talking about it for months.  Hurts gets 1 response so far and it's criticizing him.  lol.  

52 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Somewhere bacarty is shedding a tear about big Ben’s last home game. He might actually be there. Maybe he runs on the field 

did he get banned?  Haven't heard from him much lately.

If I'm Howie Roseman and I know that Hurts is basically a bridge QB, I'm calling the Steelers to see if they want him.  With their tight ends and running game, he could be the best version of what he is there.

Just now, Ace Nova said:

He's a top 10 NFL QB wen healthy.  So no, they're not that "easily" replaceable unless you want to use a top 2 pick or spend 12-15 per year in Free Agency.

Sanders is basically Brian Westbrook 2.0.  He's being underused in the passing game, imo.  He can play the slot and go out wide etc.  

Health is a concern so a 1 year "prove it type deal" might be in the works.  Or a 4 year deal with little guaranteed but with % of games played escalators.  Low base but if he plays 80% or more of the games, then gets a huge bonus, etc etc 

The Arizona Cardinals literally signed James Conner who is 3rd in the NFL in rushing touchdowns at 1.75 million.  So this Theory you need to pay your running back $12-$15 million in free agency to have a good running game is BS. The cardinals currently rank top 10 and paying a combined $3 mil at the position  

I don’t consider him a top 10 running back because he doesn’t stay healthy to be a top 10 running back. I would take dalvin cook (and he gets hurt often), henry, mixon, ekeler, Jonathan Taylor, nick chubb, kamara, Aaron jones, Harris. He’s right around 10 and you could make arguments other guys have been more productive and stayed healthy to be better than him  

You seem to think he’s going to take a one-year prove it deal. If he gets to free agency (likely as i don’t see him signing an extension especially when mosher and caplan said they both don’t see the eagles signing him to an extension at this moment) he’s gonna go wherever team offers him the most money knowing he’s had injury concerns.