13 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He's a top 10 NFL RB when healthy.  So no, they're not that "easily" replaceable unless you want to use a top 2 pick or spend 12-15 per year in Free Agency.

Sanders is basically Brian Westbrook 2.0.  He's being underused in the passing game, imo.  He can play the slot and go out wide etc.  

Health is a concern so a 1 year "prove it type deal" might be in the works.  Or a 4 year deal with little guaranteed but with % of games played escalators.  Low base but if he plays 80% or more of the games, then gets a huge bonus, etc etc 

This is insanely laughable 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

This is insanely laughable 

No in the same zip code as Brian Westbrook. Good Lord. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

did he get banned?  Haven't heard from him much lately.

If I'm Howie Roseman and I know that Hurts is basically a bridge QB, I'm calling the Steelers to see if they want him.  With their tight ends and running game, he could be the best version of what he is there.

 

Or he could be the best version of what he is here with our tight ends and running game.  The hatred people have for Hurts shines through when they admit he is good enough for another team want to trade for and have this young QB but for some reason he can't be that here.  

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You want to focus on that play?   The one where he bailed out of a perfectly good pocket for no reason, again to play street ball when he didn't need to as his ceiling? 

Pause the video at the point that he hits the top of his drop (the 4 second mark)... look at where his eyes are... and then he starts the dance.  There was NO PRESSURE on him until he made the move up.  

He needs to make that conversion from inside the pocket to get to his ceiling.  It was a good outcome play, but it wasn't a good process play.

I have him on ignore but Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers, Wentz, Wilson, Watson, Burrow, Murray, Foles, Jackson, Stafford, and probably Dak

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I have him on ignore but Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers, Wentz, Wilson, Watson, Burrow, Murray, Foles, Jackson, Stafford, and probably Dak

 

lmao Foles.  Yeah if there is one guy that is known for his ability to roll out of a pocket and hit a pass down the field while running it's Foles.  

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

lmao Foles.  Yeah if there is one guy that is known for his ability to roll out of a pocket and hit a pass down the field while running it's Foles.  

He hit a lot of downfield passes in 52

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

lmao Foles.  Yeah if there is one guy that is known for his ability to roll out of a pocket and hit a pass down the field while running it's Foles.  

Yeah, he is more known for the Eagles Lombardi 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

Ryan Matthews and Sproles were tier 2 level RB's.  Sanders is a tier 1, likely top 10. 

Here’s your problem you think he’s a top 10 running back and yet in 3 seasons he’s never finished top 10 in any statistical category for a RB cause he can’t say healthy. Part of being a top 10 player you’re out there every week. Christian McCaffrey was legitimately a top three running back in the league. Once you start having injuries at that position it doesn’t usually change in your favor. It usually continues.

9 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

did he get banned?  Haven't heard from him much lately.

If I'm Howie Roseman and I know that Hurts is basically a bridge QB, I'm calling the Steelers to see if they want him.  With their tight ends and running game, he could be the best version of what he is there.

What running game?

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I have him on ignore but Allen, Mahomes, Herbert, Rodgers, Wentz, Wilson, Watson, Burrow, Murray, Foles, Jackson, Stafford, and probably Dak

You forgot McNabb and Randall

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Watch it again.  He steps back then steps back IN the pocket, looks, then finds a lane, shifts over, looks again, then runs.  He just does it 5X faster than most pocket passers so it looks as if he was running the whole time but he wasn't.  He was making reads, shifting, then he ran. Doesn't get any better than that.  Hurts will never be a Tom Brady "statue" type of QB.  And he won't need to be if he can make plays like that. 

If Wentz had made that play (he had a similar type play that went for a TD in the corner) this board would have been talking about it for months.  Hurts gets 1 response so far and it's criticizing him.  lol.  

I watched it 3 times... he hits the top of the drop... drops his body and his eyes and runs forward, then looks back down field.  He needs to hit the top of the drop, stand in the pocket and go through progressions.  He didn't need to run forward like he did.  It was all in his head.

And please... don't get hyperbolic, it doesn't help your argument at all.  Hurts is a slow reader of progressions, not fast at all.

Hurts has proven he can make plays when the play breaks down, the question remains if he can make them when it doesn't.  So far, those are the ones that are missing.  

 

No one is asking him to be Tom Brady, but it would be nice to see him play from within the pocket like he's supposed to as an NFL QB.  His best time remains the first half against Denver, he did it much more in that game than any other.  And if you recall, he made a similar play to the one you just pointed out at the end of the first drive in that game, only it ended in an incompletion.  Sirianni got in his face about bailing the pocket and for the rest of the half, he stayed in there and was dealing.  That's what I want to see more of, not the improv stuff.  That's nice to have when its needed and things have broken down... on that play they weren't broken down, he just broke down.

 

As for Wentz.. who brought him up?  

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

This is insanely laughable 

 

Just now, Casey @ Bat said:

No in the same zip code as Brian Westbrook. Good Lord. 

Almost the same exact skill set, actually.  His running game is closer to McCoy's but his pass catching and big play abilities mirror Westbrook.  Injuries are a concern but if he's used the way Reid used Westbrook 12-15 runs a game, plus 8-10 passing targets a game, out wide, etc he would put up just as good as numbers as Westbrook.  And this is coming from a huge Westbrook fan. 

His injury history is a concern so until he plays at least 15+ games a year on a consistent basis, it's tough to compare him to those guys in terms of "production" but his skill set is right there, without question.   

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

He hit a lot of downfield passes in super bowl 52

I have him on ignore too lol there's a few throws with Foles being mobile

 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

He’s your problem you think he’s a top 10 running back and yet in 3 seasons he’s never finished top 10 on any statistical category for a RB cause he can’t say healthy. Part of being a top 10 player you’re out there every week. Christian McCaffrey was legitimately a top three running back in the league. Once you start having injuries at that position it doesn’t usually change in your favor. It usually continues.

Skill set wise he is top 10.  But his injury history has dropped him out of the top ten in recent years because he's not playing enough.  If you look at his "per game stats" they're easily top 10 stats.  And it will likely make him easier to resign.  I doubt he gets 12-15 mil per year from a team in free agency, and if he does, God Bless him and move on.  But if he's in that 7-9 mil range (possible) they shouldn't think twice.  

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

Almost the same exact skill set, actually.  His running game is closer to McCoy's but his pass catching and big play abilities mirror Westbrook.  Injuries are a concern but if he's used the way Reid used Westbrook 12-15 runs a game, plus 8-10 passing targets a game, out wide, etc he would put up just as good as numbers as Westbrook.  And this is coming from a huge Westbrook fan. 

His injury history is a concern so until he plays at least 15+ games a year on a consistent basis, it's tough to compare him to those guys in terms of "production" but his skill set is right there, without question.   

Not since his rookie year. He's been a major disappointment in that area since then.

And Brian Westbrook has 10x the football IQ of Sanders. Not even close.  You ever see Westbrook run out of bounds at the end of a game when trying to kill the clock?  Did you see it once in his entire career?   Let alone twice on the same drive?   Ball security?  Sanders leaves way too many balls on the ground to be compared to Westbrook.    Again... no more hyperbole, please.

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Almost the same exact skill set, actually.  His running game is closer to McCoy's but his pass catching and big play abilities mirror Westbrook.  Injuries are a concern but if he's used the way Reid used Westbrook 12-15 runs a game, plus 8-10 passing targets a game, out wide, etc he would put up just as good as numbers as Westbrook.  And this is coming from a huge Westbrook fan. 

His injury history is a concern so until he plays at least 15+ games a year on a consistent basis, it's tough to compare him to those guys in terms of "production" but his skill set is right there, without question.   

Just stop. Westbrook was an all time receiving threat as an RB. Sanders has trouble catching COVID 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Not since his rookie year. He's been a major disappointment in that area since then.

And Brian Westbrook has 10x the football IQ of Sanders. Not even close.  You ever see Westbrook run out of bounds at the end of a game when trying to kill the clock?  Did you see it once in his entire career?   Let alone twice on the same drive?   Ball security?  Sanders leaves way too many balls on the ground to be compared to Westbrook.    Again... no more hyperbole, please.

You're seriously saying he's inferior because he never killed the clock at the end of a game?  And I think you're mistaken ... pretty sure he did and he even attributed it to the Westbrook play in interviews.   

2 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Almost the same exact skill set, actually.  His running game is closer to McCoy's but his pass catching and big play abilities mirror Westbrook.  Injuries are a concern but if he's used the way Reid used Westbrook 12-15 runs a game, plus 8-10 passing targets a game, out wide, etc he would put up just as good as numbers as Westbrook.  And this is coming from a huge Westbrook fan. 

His injury history is a concern so until he plays at least 15+ games a year on a consistent basis, it's tough to compare him to those guys in terms of "production" but his skill set is right there, without question.   

Not really.

Its weird. Sanders came to the NFL raw as a runner with questionable vision which was explained away as lack of experience due to being behind Barkley at PSU and just 1 year of starting experience.

For the first half of his rookie season he was crappy as a runner, but kept making huge plays in the passing game. Mostly swing passes. Not WR routes.

That offseason, he began working out as a WR trying to work more on his hands, and learn a more varied route tree so he could really increase his contribution in the passing game. And what happened? He came to the next season as a fantastic runner with a horrible set of hands and drops plagued him throughout the year. He never really got utilized out wide, or even in the slot as he had set his goal to do.

This year, he hasnt been used as much receiving the ball, but still even with just RB routes he hasnt dont much to inspire confidence. He hasnt had a ton of drops. But he hasnt done anything to stand out and prove he is ready to take the next step. Hes an even better runner though. Hes phenomenal as a pure RB. 

But how the hell anyone can say he has the same skillet as Westbrook... hes not anywhere close.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

You're seriously saying he's inferior because he never killed the clock at the end of a game?  And I think you're mistaken ... pretty sure he did and he even attributed it to the Westbrook play in interviews.   

Way to ignore the other ten points he made…

39 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

This is Hurts' potential:

How many NFL QB's can make that play on a regular basis?  Mahommes and maybe a handful of others? 

 

 

Late across the middle of the field. That’s the same type of play that helped cost the Eagles the game against the Giants.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Not really.

Its weird. Sanders came to the NFL raw as a runner with questionable vision which was explained away as lack of experience due to being behind Barkley at PSU and just 1 year of starting experience.

For the first half of his rookie season he was crappy as a runner, but kept making huge plays in the passing game. Mostly swing passes. Not WR routes.

That offseason, he began working out as a WR trying to work more on his hands, and learn a more varied route tree so he could really increase his contribution in the passing game. And what happened? He came to the next season as a fantastic runner with a horrible set of hands and drops plagued him throughout the year. He never really got utilized out wide, or even in the slot as he had set his goal to do.

This year, he hasnt been used as much receiving the ball, but still even with just RB routes he hasnt dont much to inspire confidence. He hasnt had a ton of drops. But he hasnt done anything to stand out and prove he is ready to take the next step. Hes an even better runner though. Hes phenomenal as a pure RB. 

But how the hell anyone can say he has the same skillet as Westbrook... hes not anywhere close.

Next he’ll say Howard has the same skill set as Bo Jackson. I’m surprised he hasn’t compared Sanders to Barry yet, honestly. I mean they do have the same last name

14 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

Skill set wise he is top 10.  But his injury history has dropped him out of the top ten in recent years because he's not playing enough.  If you look at his "per game stats" they're easily top 10 stats.  And it will likely make him easier to resign.  I doubt he gets 12-15 mil per year from a team in free agency, and if he does, God Bless him and move on.  But if he's in that 7-9 mil range (possible) they shouldn't think twice.  

That’s ridiculous if that’s per year. especially in his 3 game absence after the raiders game they ran for 236, 176 and 216 yards. You’re freaking out because one game against Washington where they didn’t have him, they didn’t run Great and still got 118 rushing yards. Meanwhile 3 out of the 4 games Miles Sanders hasn’t been there this year they rushed over 170 yards. So you’re telling me he’s so irreplaceable that in the games without sanders the eagles are averaging 186.5 yard on the ground. 

Sanders losing most of his receiving ability is really, really odd. 

3 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

You're seriously saying he's inferior because he never killed the clock at the end of a game?  And I think you're mistaken ... pretty sure he did and he even attributed it to the Westbrook play in interviews.   

No, I'm seriously using that as a way of illustrating their differences specifically to illustrate the Football IQ.  

 

 

But, sure... find me an example where this guy... 

Ran out of bounds when the team was trying to kill the clock.  

 

As for the bolded... just nope.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Just stop. Westbrook was an all time receiving threat as an RB. Sanders has trouble catching COVID 

Get the heck out of here.  lol.  Sanders has very good hands and he tremendous after the catch ability.  If he was on an Andy Reid team he would likely have upwards of 700-800 yards receiving and another 800-1000 yards on the ground if he played most of the games.   He's an explosive playmaker.  He's made some incredible runs this year but Sirianni hasn't drawn up any special passing plays for him.  If he's used on a 50/50 run/pass basis, he's less likely to get hurt and his numbers would be fantastic ...with tons of "big plays" mixed in.