2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

When it has to be pointed out as an outlier.......then....yeah.  That's an issue.  

One of the most underrated sitcoms ever.  Loved that show.  

Love Julie Bowen, and that chick in the gif grew up to be hot. She's engaged to some dude from the Bachelor now though. 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

What you are saying is... he needs to do it consistently.   Agreed.   But, he needs to do it sporadically before he can do it consistently.

 

That's why the Denver game was so encouraging to me... and why every game since then has been rather disappointing.   In the Denver game he did do it consistently and it worked out great.  Since then it's back to sporadically.  

It's like when Quez dropped that pass at the end of the half....it affected Hurts more than it should have. He was absolutely dealing in that first half. 

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Unless he insisted on it becoming public.  And maybe your point is that it's his PR/Agent's job to advise him against that.  But it does fall in line with how he comes off, wanting it to be public.  

Maybe. I also think these PR/Agents are geared to try to capitalize on every opportunity that is out there. What happened to Jalen was very unique and it created a moment. 

It is just todays atmosphere is all about putting yourself out there no matter what. If there is an opportunity, pounce on it as quick as possible before the moment passes. All of this stuff is the self hype things and we are only seeing Jalen because we are Eagles fans, but athletes from every other team does this as well.

I am not a fan of it, but so many of these kids are brought up this way. Tis the way of social media.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

This is a good play, but is it representative of his overall play?

How often does he plant and throw against pressure, and how often does he get happy feet and vacate a solid pocket?

If this is what Hurts is doing consistently then it points toward real development.  If he’s doing it once for every 7-8 times he’s not going through reads and progressions then it’s a different conversation 

I’m no coach but that seems like a pretty advanced set up to only be able to do 12% of the time, everything being equal. He went 1-4 and back to 2.

13 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup. We're not going 3 for 3. I'm hoping for 2 for 3, which still sets us well for long-term success.

Trading down is the right call. Use the premium assets to get more bites at the apple. 

2 out of 3 would be huge.  We can't even go 3 for 3 in 3 consecutive drafts in the first round, let alone 3 in the same first round.

During the Packers game, I wrote about the benefits of 3 first round picks and how that could potentially let the Eagles go after a guy with the Franchise Tag (if he's worth it).  Devante Adams was who I was discussing but then I realized he's going on 30.  

To sign a FT guy, you need to give up a first in the current draft as well as a first in next years draft.  The Eagles 1st round pick (19 or lower right now I believe) would be gone as well as their 2023 first.

That leaves them with Miami's pick, 14 as of now and Indy's pick, 19 or lower.  Of the two, pick 14 has more trade value and could be in that range of a team trying to trade up.  Look at the Giants last year.  They traded pick 11 to the Bears for pick 20 and a 5th.  They also got the Bears first and fourth in  2022

Could Howie work magic if a team is willing to trade up to 14 and get a lower first this year a first next year and some change?  That would recoup the pick lost for signing a player.

-Eagles sign Franchise Tag player and give up 2022 and 2023 first round picks.

-Eagles trade out of 14 gaining a lower first/high second plus 2023 first.

In the end, the Eagles could still be armed with 2 first round picks and still have a 1st in 2023 while being able to sign a Franchise Tagged player.  All of the pieces have to fall in to place for it to happen, starting with a young, core building player (Jessie Bates, Harold Landry?) and you have to find a team willing to give up a first to move up. 

Just some thoughts on how to utilize the 3 picks.

3 minutes ago, Thrive said:

I’m no coach but that seems like a pretty advanced set up to only be able to do 12% of the time, everything being equal. He went 1-4 and back to 2.

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2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

2 out of 3 would be huge.  We can't even go 3 for 3 in 3 consecutive drafts in the first round, let alone 3 in the same first round.

During the Packers game, I wrote about the benefits of 3 first round picks and how that could potentially let the Eagles go after a guy with the Franchise Tag (if he's worth it).  Devante Adams was who I was discussing but then I realized he's going on 30.  

To sign a FT guy, you need to give up a first in the current draft as well as a first in next years draft.  The Eagles 1st round pick (19 or lower right now I believe) would be gone as well as their 2023 first.

That leaves them with Miami's pick, 14 as of now and Indy's pick, 19 or lower.  Of the two, pick 14 has more trade value and could be in that range of a team trying to trade up.  Look at the Giants last year.  They traded pick 11 to the Bears for pick 20 and a 5th.  They also got the Bears first and fourth in  2022

Could Howie work magic if a team is willing to trade up to 14 and get a lower first this year a first next year and some change?  That would recoup the pick lost for signing a player.

-Eagles sign Franchise Tag player and give up 2022 and 2023 first round picks.

-Eagles trade out of 14 gaining a lower first/high second plus 2023 first.

In the end, the Eagles could still be armed with 2 first round picks and still have a 1st in 2023 while being able to sign a Franchise Tagged player.  All of the pieces have to fall in to place for it to happen, starting with a young, core building player (Jessie Bates, Harold Landry?) and you have to find a team willing to give up a first to move up. 

Just some thoughts on how to utilize the 3 picks.

They don't really have the cap space to add a franchise tag guy.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

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They don't really have the cap space to add a franchise tag guy.

I haven't even looked at the cap ramifications but if there's one thing Howie is "good" at, it's making larger contracts fit under tight cap situations.  It's not always the best because of how he structures those deals and what it does to future cap space but I'm sure he could make it work if he really wanted to. 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I haven't even looked at the cap ramifications but if there's one thing Howie is "good" at, it's making larger contracts fit under tight cap situations.  It's not always the best because of how he structures those deals and what it does to future cap space but I'm sure he could make it work if he really wanted to. 

Yes, he is.  

 

I just saw the structures of the Sweat, Mailata and Maddox extensions.  The big money is in 2024, and those awesome void years. 

Maddox: 
2022 - $2.5M
2023 - $4.3M
2024 - $10M
2025-2027 - Void. (2025 - $5M dead)

Sweat: 
2022 - $3.6M
2023 - $6M
2024 - $18.7M
2025-2027 - Void (2025 $9.5M dead)

Mailata: 
2022 - $4.3M
2023 - $7.7M
2024 - $21M
2025 - $22M
2026-2027 - Void (2026 - $6.8M dead)

 

 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, he is.  

 

I just saw the structures of the Sweat, Mailata and Maddox extensions.  The big money is in 2024, and those awesome void years. 

Maddox: 
2022 - $2.5M
2023 - $4.3M
2024 - $10M
2025-2027 - Void. (2025 - $5M dead)

Sweat: 
2022 - $3.6M
2023 - $6M
2024 - $18.7M
2025-2027 - Void (2025 $9.5M dead)

Mailata: 
2022 - $4.3M
2023 - $7.7M
2024 - $21M
2025 - $22M
2026-2027 - Void (2026 - $6.8M dead)

 

 

Which will lead him to restructure these guys again, and continue doing the same thing over and over again.  In the long run does it work?  

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Which will lead him to restructure these guys again, and continue doing the same thing over and over again.  In the long run does it work?  

I think we know the answer to that... It does for a while, but eventually the bills always come due.

Hurts isn’t great BUT he’s our guy and took us to the playoffs. I had us at 5 wins going into the season. Respect level 10 right now from me. 

22 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Hurts isn’t great BUT he’s our guy and took us to the playoffs. I had us at 5 wins going into the season. Respect level 10 right now from me. 

I think the reason the Eagles are in the playoffs is because of Nick Sirianni, his recognition of what wasn't working early in the year (passing game) and focusing on the strength of the team, which is the O-Line and the running game.  Hurts was a big part of that running attack but the Eagles are not in the playoffs because of Jalen Hurts.  He's just steering the ship right now.  Minshew showed against the Jets that he too can run this team.  People can argue that it was the Jets but I think any average QB could come in here with this running attack, a limited passing game of under 25 passes per game and manage the team to a win.  The line has been DOMINANT. 

If Sirianni was a stubborn guy who said this is my offense and we're going to win or lose with it no matter what, I think we are looking at a much different record right now.  You know he wants to pass the ball.  He also knows that relying on the passing game is going to lose the Eagles games.  I was down on Sirianni much of the year but he's turned the corner for me.  I think the Eagles have something with him.   

18 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

took us to the playoffs.

I would say that our OL took us to the playoffs.  Hurts has been average.  It has been about the OL dominating and the run game.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

If Sirianni was a stubborn guy who said this is my offense and we're going to win or lose with it no matter what, I think we are looking at a much different record right now.  You know he wants to pass the ball.  He also knows that relying on the passing game is going to lose the Eagles games.  I was down on Sirianni much of the year but he's turned the corner for me.  I think the Eagles have something with him.   

That's the part that makes me happiest about Sirianni.  And its the reason I give Joe Gibbs a ton of credit as one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game... he won the Super Bowl, with 3 different QBs, with 3 different offensive systems over a decade.  No other coach has ever done that.  I really hope that that's a sign of things to come for Sirianni.

Most of the HCs that have multiple Super Bowl wins have all those wins with the same QB and/or the same system. 

Belichek - all with Brady. 
Noll - all with Bradshaw
Walsh - all with Montana
Siefert - all with WCO (Montana for one, Young for the other)
Johnson - all with Aikman
Lombardi - both with Starr
Shula - all with Bob Griese and the running game (Lost 4 - one with Unitas, one with Griese, one with David Woodley, one with Marino)
Parcells - all with defensive teams and running game (one with Simms, one with Hostetler)
Shanahan - both with Elway
 

Of those... Gibbs stands alone.... Rushing attack with Theismann and Riggins, passing attack with defense and Mark Rypien, smoke and mirrors with Doug Williams/Jay Schroeder.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's the part that makes me happiest about Sirianni.  And its the reason I give Joe Gibbs a ton of credit as one of the greatest coaches in the history of the game... he won the Super Bowl, with 3 different QBs, with 3 different offensive systems over a decade.  No other coach has ever done that.  I really hope that that's a sign of things to come for Sirianni.

Most of the HCs that have multiple Super Bowl wins have all those wins with the same QB and/or the same system. 

Belichek - all with Brady. 
Noll - all with Bradshaw
Walsh - all with Montana
Siefert - all with WCO (Montana for one, Young for the other)
Johnson - all with Aikman
Lombardi - both with Starr
Shula - all with Bob Griese and the running game (Lost 4 - one with Unitas, one with Griese, one with David Woodley, one with Marino)
Parcells - all with defensive teams and running game (one with Simms, one with Hostetler)
Shanahan - both with Elway
 

Of those... Gibbs stands alone.... Rushing attack with Theismann and Riggins, passing attack with defense and Mark Rypien, smoke and mirrors with Doug Williams/Jay Schroeder.

The guy Lurie fired did it with 2 different qbs

Just now, greend said:

The guy Lurie fired did it with 2 different qbs

Only one Super Bowl though.   I am counting Lombardis, not just QBs.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Agreed.  Hitting on 3 first round picks in a row is always tough.  To do so in 1 draft is nearly impossible.  

Well time to hit a hot streak Howie , need 3 talented players for the defense. 

13 minutes ago, greend said:

The guy Lurie fired did it with 2 different qbs

 

11 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Only one Super Bowl though.   I am counting Lombardis, not just QBs.

 

Kind of ironic that people talk about you can win a title with an average to good QB if you have X, Y and Z.  Then the guy who is the greatest coach in Eagles history goes somewhere else and wins a title with an elite QB.

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

What "took us to the playoffs" was a complete 180 degree turn away from the original offensive philosophy, which was him passing more than he should, to go towards more of a running approach and an incredibly weak schedule in the 2nd half of the season.  He didn't "take us" he went along for the ride.  

 I've noticed now some love to bring up "Weak Schedule" yet so many people including the media said we would win 4 maybe 5 games at best with that same schedule.   Can't have it both ways.  Saying he "Went along for the ride" indicates he didn't do much which is false.  I think some people did underestimate Jalen and this team and are now trying to find excuses why this season was a success.  Sure Jalen didn't do it alone but you can't deny the impact he's had.  We would not be the same dominate running team over the course of the season without Jalen.   Yes the O-Line deserves a lot of credit but Jalen has caused issues for defenses which is why he has the best rushing numbers for a QB this year and the most TD's.   Also his completion percentage is way up from last season.

It’s amazing how our rushing stats turned out given that we didn’t run the ball really until the Lions game (aside from Hurts)

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Kind of ironic that people talk about you can win a title with an average to good QB if you have X, Y and Z.  Then the guy who is the greatest coach in Eagles history goes somewhere else and wins a title with an elite QB.

Not sure I see the irony.   No one has ever questioned whether or not an elite QB could win the Super Bowl.  So, that's one track to get there.  But, an elite QB alone can't win it all... see also, John Elway of the 1980s, Dan Marino, and Jim Kelly.  But, the other track is to have a stacked roster at nearly every position, especially with a stud filled defense, and a solid running game... and let them carry the QB, whose job it is not to muck it up.

The list of multiple Super Bowls, have some guys on that list that were absolutely 'average to good' QBs. 
Griese, Simms, Hostetler, Williams - no better than average to good.  (Yes, I know Griese is in the HoF... but he's a guy that was carried by the running game and the No Name Defense.  His job was to not get in the way.).  Thiesmann had Riggins and a stud filled defense.  Trent freaking Dilfer won it, with the 2000 Ravens, thanks to an all-time defense and Jamal Lewis.  Brad Johnson in Tampa.   

 

So, there's two paths...
Path 1 - Elite QB with some complementary pieces, especially a solid (not necessarily great) defense.
Path 2 - Average to above average QB (who elevates his game in crunch time, as did Foles, as did Flacco, as did Brad Johnson, even Trent Dilfer) with a great running game and dominant defense.

 

The Eagles of 2017 didn't have the dominant defense on display in the Super Bowl... but had the pass rush to make the play when it was needed most.  And they had the dominant running game that opened up the passing game for Foles.  And... as always in the Super Bowl... role players have to step up in huge ways, as we saw with the likes of Corey Clement, Torrey Smith and even Nelson Agholor.  That's how teams usually win that game.  Some unsung player(s) elevates their game unexpectedly.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They can't be so foolish as to pigeon hole themselves on a position.  They really need to take the best defender on the board.  They can use help at EVERY position on defense.  There's not a spot where you could say... a rookie can't step in and play here.

Yup, last thing they should do is draft for need.  If they can't trade at least 1 away, I'm ok with reaching for fit on the 3rd pick.  First 2 need to be BPA.

31 minutes ago, KINGnabb said:

We would not be the same dominate running team over the course of the season without Jalen.

False.  We ran for 40 more yards than the Jets allow per game with Minshew starting, and it was the second highest rushing total by the running backs for the season.  We are a dominate running team because of our line, not because of Hurts.

1 hour ago, uncphillyfan said:

Ojabo, "Sauce” and Lloyd please

The more i watch Ojabo, the more I want to stay away.  Hutch on the opposite side of him created most of his sacks, which he seems to have accidentally ran into.  He has an easy time winning at the line but doesn't know what to do afterwards.  That said the athleticism and everything else is off the charts.  I wouldn't be mad, but i'd be apprehensive about the pick.

Just now, downundermike said:

False.  We ran for 40 more yards than the Jets allow per game with Minshew starting, and it was the second highest rushing total by the running backs for the season.  We are a dominate running team because of our line, not because of Hurts.

I said over the course of the season not just one game.   Jalen style of play definitely  had a huge impact on the running game.  Just like Lamar's style of play affects the Ravens running game.  I also brought up the Line in my comments.