1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Annoyed isn't the word I would have used to describe me.  

I’m still convinced the Rams WERE GOING TO CUT BRADFORD!!!

(Now I’m pissed again)

3 minutes ago, SB52 said:

I’m still convinced the Rams WERE GOING TO CUT BRADFORD!!!

(Now I’m pissed again)

Just a reminder, we were able to fleece a 1st rd pick for Bradford ... lol

57 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

WR and Safety in free agency would be nice. 

To me it's Jessie Bates or Marcus Williams all day at S. 
I don't have a strong opinion on how to address WR. I like guys in the draft and in FA. I would be fine with Mike Williams if they want to spend. But would also be fine with a early draft pick plus/or a slot receiver in FA. 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I start to get excited... then remember who is making the picks, and I lose the excitement. 

Reminder... Eagles haven't had successful 1st round picks back to back since 2012 & 2013.  And both of those picks were top 12.  Eagles might get one pick in the top 12... but when you look at what they have done with picks in the late teens and 20s... it's not very exciting.  2nd round picks have also been rather miss, rather than hit. 

 

Under Roseman (if you consider him the guy to really be making the calls going back to when Andy Reid was here):

1st round:
2010 - Graham - #13
2011 - Watkins - #23
2012 - Cox - #12
2013 - Johnson - #4
2014 - Marcus Smith - #26
2015 - Nelson Agholor - #20
2016 - Carson Wentz - #2
2017 - Derek Barnett - #14
2018 - N/A
2019 - Andre Dillard - #22
2020 - Jalen Reagor - #21
2021 - Davonta Smith - #10

See a pattern?  Basically, any pick after #13 is one that doesn't do a whole lot.   Highest pick the Eagles have in the first round this year... Currently #14.  Eagles other two picks sit at #19 and #21.  

 

And sadly... the 2nd round isn't much better.
Nate Allen, Jaiquawn Jarrett, Mychal Kendricks, Zach Ertz, Jordan Matthews, Eric Rowe, Sidney Jones, Dallas Goedert, Miles Sanders, Jalen Hurts, Landon Dickerson.

Some of these picks were brutally bad.  

The most disturbing thing about this list to me - There are 2-3  complete failures on that list and maybe 1-2 incompletes (Reagor & Dillard). Meaning you got basically nothing from them. I get missing on some players who might not produce like a 1st rd pick, but still are somewhat productive (examples Barnett and Agholor), just might have been overdrafted. But missing totally on players in the first where you basically got very little production, if any, is inexcuseable to me. How in the world does that happen outside of injury (Dillard)

 

26 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I think spending time or money on another ball catcher is fairly silly if we keep Hurts. 

Maybe a monster blocking tight end that can get us 15 catches a year is all I'd spend in that dept.

Could be a hot take, but with Hurts as your QB you dont need the "weapons" Build the OL, spend on OL backups. have some depth at running back and spend everything else on Defense. 

Side note, why the F*** would. a WR want to come here.  Both Smith and Goedert would flirt with 100 catches on a normal team. (which is how they get paid) and they wont come close to this year 

It's really not a hot take though.  If we are going to try and win with Hurts- (?) you get a veteran mid teir WR free agent- and spend all your draft capital improving the defense and depth for the Oline and Rb's

The issue is: I dont think the team is kidding themselves with Hurts- They likely know better than us what he is, and what he isn't. He is most likely a stop gap, to get us past the Cap Hell/ no franchise QB situation Howie put us in. So you should not build this team for Hurts, you should be building it for the next QB. Hurts will benefit from that to be sure, and hopefully you can get something for hurts in return when you go after your franchise QB next offseason. 

The thing is, if we really drafted best player avail this year and next year. I just dont see that happening either. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wonder if anyone would consider Reggie White a bad teammate for quitting on his team.  

The minister of quit 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wonder if anyone would consider Reggie White a bad teammate for quitting on his team.  

I was extremely unhappy it went in that direction, but I had zero misplaced anger, my anger was rightfully aimed towards the team owner/Front office. 

4for4, just for you.

https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/eagles/eagles-fans-should-be-thankful-have-jeffrey-lurie-owner

 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

UGA is -2 against Bama?  
 

That line makes zero sense.  I would be all over that.  If I was betting. Something is fishy.  

Hard to beat the same team twice in the same year.

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Never been a problem for Saban.  As far as Kirby is concerned, it’s been hard to beat Saban.  
 

But, sure I guess.  That would explain a tight Bama favored spread.  But not the other way around.  

I'm hoping for a UGA win.  So, it doesn't bother me.

57 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not at the cost they put into him.  You don't make a move like they did for him, for a 5 year QB.  Sorry, he played well, but organizationally, that was a failure.  

The Wentz trade won us a SB. We make that trade 100 times out of 100.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Never been a problem for Saban.  As far as Kirby is concerned, it’s been hard to beat Saban.  

i think it’s going to be different this time. Georgia got a lot of motivation from being blown out a month ago. I think they’ll play better…. So Alabama by 14

10 hours ago, Uscg-green said:

I rewatched some of the game as I didn't get to see it on tv Am I the only one that hates shotgun on third and one from the one?

Tough for linemen to pull.

Looks like the streak will be intact

25 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

LOL.  Roob.  I have a shitbreak coming up.  I’ll read it then.  

 It never ends, Kempski has a tweet calling it the best rushing offense in the modern era, and others Tweet the genius of Siriani with the greatness of Hurts. 
 Kelly took a 4 win team to 10 wins, in 16 games, (2013) and he matched the 2021 Eagles rushing yards exactly through 16 games, 2,566.  The biggest difference is Kelly’s team had a much better passing offense with, Foles, Barkley and Vick. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Looks like the streak will be intact

Good! Absolutely deserved and hopefully he can continue that streak next year too.

40 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Wonder if anyone would consider Reggie White a bad teammate for quitting on his team.  

It was tossed around at the time

28 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Hard to beat the same team twice in the same year.

unless they suck like the hogskins

45 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yes, that's the average... and the Eagles have been below average in first round picks in Howie's tenure. 11 picks from 2010 - 2021... Only 4 would qualify as having 'worked out' in my book... Graham, Cox, Johnson and maybe Smith.    Wentz was good for a while, but when making that type of move for a QB, its supposed to last more than 5 years.  Agholor?  Not really.  2 years of good production to go with 3 years of major disappointment.  

 

Which means if Howie is hitting on about 36% of his first round picks, and missing on pretty much all of them after 14... we should only expect 1 good player out of this draft in the first round.   That's not good enough... not by a long shot.

The 50% hit rate on first round picks I think is just speculation.  Beyond that I think you have to get into whether the pick performs better than average.  So when you say the Eagles have been below average, I am not sure that is supported by the data.  Also, Wentz is a hit if for nothing else because the Eagles won a Super Bowl because of his performance.  So when you say Howie hitting on 36% is not good enough by a long shot,  I am not sure that's at all accurate for the picks he has made and where those picks were made.  Moreover what hitting and not hitting is seems to be only based on our assessment of that player.  Your assessment of Wentz isn't about his performance with the Eagles but how Howie and the team handled him. A better comparison vs. other GM's is how Howie performs looking at the player vs. other players taken at the position and other players take with that pick.  

This article looked at AV to see how picks performed in the first round using that comparison and a composite AV over the first 4 seasons.  https://www.the33rdteam.com/using-approximate-value-to-evaluate-first-round-draft-success/  AV is a statistical measure developed by Pro Football Reference.  https://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/index6b92.html?p=465 If you look at this as being accurate, you can fairly evaluate the Eagles first round picks in terms of whether Howie is performing in line with the League.  It's too early to assess 2021 but we can look at every pick under Roseman.  I don't think that includes the 2015 draft when Howie was benched.  The methodology of the article was to take the AV from the first four seasons of a player's career.  So to have apples to apples we have to do the same with some projection for some of the picks.  

2020 - Reagor - is a 4, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/R/ReagJa00.htm, the AV for pick 21 is 4.848 and for WR 5.979

2019 Dillard - is a 3, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/D/DillAn00.htm, the AV for pick 22 is 3.4 and for OT 5.983

2018 - No Pick

2017 - Barnett is a 4.5, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/B/BarnDe01.htm, the AV for pick 14 is 4.71 and for DE is 6.107

2016 - Wentz is an 11, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WentCa00.htm, the AV for pick 2 is 6.58 and for QB is 6.039

2015 was on Chip but for comparison's sake Agholor is a 4.5, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AghoNe00.htm, the AV for pick 20 is 6.613 and for WR 5.979

2014 - Marcus Smith is a 1, https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/S/SmitMa03.htm, the AV for pick 26 is 4.096 and for OLB is 5.898

2013 - Lane Johnson is a 8.75 (I took out his 6 game season) https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/J/JohnLa01.htm, the AV for pick 4 is 7.79 and for OT  5.983

2012 - Fletcher Cox is a 9.5 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/C/CoxxFl00.htm, the AV for pick 12 is 6.168 and for DT is 5.927

2011 - Danny Watkins is a 3 https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WatkDa00.htm, the AV for pick 23 is 4.422 and for OG is 5.834

I think this gives us a sense on how Howie does vs the League.  We can argue over any selection but if you just use this data as a guideline, Howie was below average on 5 picks and above average on 3.  If you assume Howie is the key decision maker with the first round picks, his performance isn't good making the picks. You can look at later rounds and probably point to Mailata but those are scouting finds not GM finds.  He's not been good with first round picks.  

27 minutes ago, RLC said:

The Wentz trade won us a SB. We make that trade 100 times out of 100.

Yep.  It did.  But, that move in a vacuum was 3 first round picks for a QB that played here for only 5 years.   But, let's add him to the plus pile... Now the hit rate is maybe 5 out of 11, Smith remains a possible hit, but I'd lean to giving him credit.  So, 4 out of 10 (ignoring Smith entirely) or 5 out of 11... still not good enough.

 

And that's not counting the 2nd round... some have been just absolutely atrocious, specifically Jarrett, Allen, Jones, Rowe (although it could be said that without drafting and then shipping Rowe off to the Patriots... we don't win a Super Bowl either). 

17 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

It never ends, Kempski has a tweet calling it the best rushing offense in the modern era, and others Tweet the genius of Siriani with the greatness of Hurts. 
 Kelly took a 4 win team to 10 wins, in 16 games, (2013) and he matched the 2021 Eagles rushing yards exactly through 16 games, 2,566.  The biggest difference is Kelly’s team had a much better passing offense with, Foles, Barkley and Vick. 

This is obviously a lie.  This very blog has made it quite clear that you can only have a dynamic game with a SWAGGY QB like Jalen Hurts.  No way the Eagles had a dynamic running game with a statue like Nick Foles at QB.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yep.  It did.  But, that move in a vacuum was 3 first round picks for a QB that played here for only 5 years.   But, let's add him to the plus pile... Now the hit rate is maybe 5 out of 11, Smith remains a possible hit, but I'd lean to giving him credit.  So, 4 out of 10 (ignoring Smith entirely) or 5 out of 11... still not good enough.

 

And that's not counting the 2nd round... some have been just absolutely atrocious, specifically Jarrett, Allen, Jones, Rowe (although it could be said that without drafting and then shipping Rowe off to the Patriots... we don't win a Super Bowl either). 

I think his 2nd round is far worse than his 1st round, which is really saying something. 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If you assume Howie is the key decision maker with the first round picks, his performance isn't good making the picks. You can look at later rounds and probably point to Mailata but those are scouting finds not GM finds.  He's not been good with first round picks.  

Yes.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Nick ran the RPO in 2017 better than Jalen ever has.  

Key element right in the middle there.