14 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Would like to get one of these.  Anyone in Philly willing to pick me up one and send to Washington ??  PM me if you can hook it up.  Would be greatly appreciated.

You could always do this if someone cant get it for you.

 

https://store.inquirer.com/products/custom-page-reprint

 

 

12 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Why would DP want to deal with an even bigger buffoon at owner??

bears a much better option. He can be picky

 Bears, Vikings, and Broncos are going to interview him, the Giants might when they get a new GM, you’d have to assume the Dolphins as well. 
 I don’t see BOB and Baalke getting a along in Jacksonville either. 

Feeling practically no anxiety about this playoff game.  (Although some here are afraid we may win and further deteriorate our draft position.)

It will be good to see how Sirianni and team perform under these circumstances.  But that's it. 

Only need to avoid serious injuries that would impact 2022.

1 hour ago, BigEFly said:

Interesting that the Eagles have 52 players on the active roster, having just placed Jackson, JJAW and Toth on injured reserve.  I would be surprised if they sign many players outside the organization.  I can’t see them going into the playoffs with just 4 WRs and 2 TEs.  My guess is that the elevate Rodgers, if for no other reason than experience.  Don’t know enough about Togiai as an Eagle to project him being elevated although he does have two years in the Colts/Eagles system so arguably more experienced with Sirianni than Rodgers.  May come down to who blocks better, as for all intents and purposes, JJAW was primarily a blocker.  

WR is interesting. None of those WRs on the PS have the speed or size of JJAW.  Thus it probably comes down to hands and route running.  Anybody’s guess as to which of those players might fit.   

With Bradley banged up,  I wonder if Taylor finally returns or if they might go with Jacoby Stevens.  

With Toth down, who backs up Johnson?   Probably Clark.  Has Dillard learned to play RT or might they elevate Awosika to give themselves a little more T depth.

it may come down to protection.  It may also go to poaching.  For example, let’s say the Eagles know there is a LB they like that sat on another team’s PS.  Sign that player and just inactivate on Sunday and elevate a PS player.  By the same token, the Eagles may want to sign the PS players they like the most to the active roster to protect them while inactivating them and elevating another PS player for the game.  Yesterday was tryout Tuesday so we may get a hint today. 

I look at last Sunday as a bonus PS like game.  We get film on most of the youngsters.  The game plan was a little more vanilla than with the starters, especially on D.  I am looking forward to JR’s comments on the OL that played.  They actually did better against the “#1 defense” than I expected.  I plan to focus on the secondary and a little on the WR play when I look at the All 22. If JR already commented on the OL let me know and I will search it. I was driving from Texas Sunday and Monday and missed most of the after game commentary.   

I don't have a lot to say about the OL for that game; it was so hard to watch. Clark had a very rough game at RT. He got beaten inside and outside. He didn't seem to have much rapport with 76 - was that Anderson? I don't remember ever noticing him before. He was decent and he has pretty good wheels. He pulled several times and looked good doing it. Toth was quite solid at C, which surprised me as I didn't know he ever practiced there. I didn't watch the whole thing but his snaps were all good in the time I did watch. He's a keeper and looks like he can play several positions quite competently. Opeta and Dillard were both good. They handled a couple of E/T stunts smoothly and their run blocking was first rate.

I will say that the RBs (Gainwell and Huntley) did the OL no favors, especially on OZs. Gotta plant and get into the hole when you see it instead of drifting to the sideline. They left a lot of yards on the field.

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I don't have a lot to say about the OL for that game; it was so hard to watch. Clark had a very rough game at RT. He got beaten inside and outside. He didn't seem to have much rapport with 76 - was that Anderson? I don't remember ever noticing him before. He was decent and he has pretty good wheels. He pulled several times and looked good doing it. Toth was quite solid at C, which surprised me as I didn't know he ever practiced there. I didn't watch the whole thing but his snaps were all good in the time I did watch. He's a keeper and looks like he can play several positions quite competently. Opeta and Dillard were both good. They handled a couple of E/T stunts smoothly and their run blocking was first rate.

I will say that the RBs (Gainwell and Huntley) did the OL no favors, especially on OZs. Gotta plant and get into the hole when you see it instead of drifting to the sideline. They left a lot of yards on the field.

Yes, but he only played RG about 40% of the game before switching to C, then Awoskia came in at RG

 

36 minutes ago, greend said:

I don't have a big problem paying them I guess if for some reason their free education (which could be 100,000 or more) isn't enough for them. I do however have a problem with them accepting the free tuition and then "opting" out of "meaningless" games. When that was the reason they got the free tuition and they knew that going in.

Nobody wants to see them get hurt especially "minutes" before they are getting drafted, unfortunately that is part of the game of football and a chance that most of us mere mortals would gladly take for a free education and a shot to even get into the NFL

I'll add, they get more than a college education.  They get free coaching as well to help them turn their raw athletic skills into more pro-ready.   How much would it cost these athletes to hire private coaches who would be involved in every aspect of their training... diet, workout schedule (free access to a gym, as well with much better equipment than the local Fitness 19), and in-game experience.   They get a great many 'payments' for their training.  

 

To play a little devil's advocate... Jameson Williams is from Missouri.  So, he'd have to pay the 'Out-of-State' tuition to UA.  

Without aid, the cost would be $51,398 per year.     That's $205,592.  
https://financialaid.ua.edu/cost/

How much would it cost him to get private coaching to improve in his craft?   I've seen estimates of $40-$90 per hour.   Let's keep the math simple and assume $50/hr.  According to NCAA by-laws, they are only allowed to have team related activities like working out, practice, film watching for 20 hours per week.   So, that would be $1000/week.   That's only the 'in-season' limit.  So, starting in late July through the end of December (bowl season), means 23 weeks.  That's $23,000 cost per season.  $92,000 for the 4 years.   This does not include offseason training.   They are maxed at 8 hours per week out of season.   For the sake of argument, let's give them 4 weeks off over the course of the year... that leaves 25 weeks (numbers being round is convenient).  8 hours/week * 25 weeks = 200 more hours, and that's another $10,000 per year... or $40,000 for the 4 years.

The opportunity to get in-game experience is an almost incalculable resource... how much is that worth?  That experience is likely worth more than any other mentioned above, and plenty of students in college take 'unpaid internships' in order to get access to certain industries and to get the networking access that those internships offer.  (Obviously, others take paid internships as well and get that same benefit.)    So, let's call this a wash.  Whether paid or unpaid, internships offer something of value to both the intern and to the company using the intern, so let's say that that cost is not worth trying to calculate.

How much would it cost to have a gym membership at a gym?  According to https://www.healthline.com/health-news/gym-memberships-can-be-a-trap, the average cost is $58/month.  Again, for the sake of simple numbers, let's round down to $50/month.  That's $600/year and $2400 for the four years.

 

So, total 'value' added for the student-athlete at Alabama? 
$205,592 (tuition)
+ $92,000 (in-season coaching)
+ $40,000 (off-season coaching)
+ $2400 (gym access)

= $339,992.   So, a 1/3 of a million dollars over the 4 years (for an out of state student).

That's really what is being invested in a single student at UA that's coming from out of state.  In-state students would save $20,000 per year in tuition.  So, that's just 1/4 of a million dollars over the 4 years. 

 

But, let's fix to pay them on top of that.  How about $15/hour?  (20 hours/wk in-season [23 weeks], 8 hours/wk off-season [25 weeks], 4 years = 2640 hours total during the 4 years ) = $39,600 for the 4 years.   Let's round it off to $10,000.    You prefer $25/hour?  $16,500 per year.

 

(BTW... I recognize that many college athletes actually practice more than the 20 hour limit set by the NCAA.  So, while they are getting more coaching, I am not showing that as a charge for what they are 'gaining', but also not including those extra hours as part of their payment either.)

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Yes, but he only played RG about 40% of the game before switching to C, then Awoskia came in at RG

You have a higher pain tolerance than I.

1 hour ago, greend said:

I don't have a big problem paying them I guess if for some reason their free education (which could be 100,000 or more) isn't enough for them. I do however have a problem with them accepting the free tuition and then "opting" out of "meaningless" games. When that was the reason they got the free tuition and they knew that going in.

Nobody wants to see them get hurt especially "minutes" before they are getting drafted, unfortunately that is part of the game of football and a chance that most of us mere mortals would gladly take for a free education and a shot to even get into the NFL

The schools are literally using them to bring in income under the guise of "fair" accommodation via an athletic scholarship. I don't know why we pretend that these players can realistically handle a full class schedule on top of the time commitment of being in a sports program. What's required of the players is more akin to employment. The colleges care more about their image and the money coming in rather than what their athletes are getting out of their "education."

Weird signing. 37, hasn't played since 2019 and has 5 days to prepare to play in a defense he's never been in.

12 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'll add, they get more than a college education. 

Student athletes don't get the full value of a college education, because their scholarship commitments take them away from the classroom.

18 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'll add, they get more than a college education.  They get free coaching as well to help them turn their raw athletic skills into more pro-ready.   How much would it cost these athletes to hire private coaches who would be involved in every aspect of their training... diet, workout schedule (free access to a gym, as well with much better equipment than the local Fitness 19), and in-game experience.   They get a great many 'payments' for their training.  

 

To play a little devil's advocate... Jameson Williams is from Missouri.  So, he'd have to pay the 'Out-of-State' tuition to UA.  

Without aid, the cost would be $51,398 per year.     That's $205,592.  
https://financialaid.ua.edu/cost/

How much would it cost him to get private coaching to improve in his craft?   I've seen estimates of $40-$90 per hour.   Let's keep the math simple and assume $50/hr.  According to NCAA by-laws, they are only allowed to have team related activities like working out, practice, film watching for 20 hours per week.   So, that would be $1000/week.   That's only the 'in-season' limit.  So, starting in late July through the end of December (bowl season), means 23 weeks.  That's $23,000 cost per season.  $92,000 for the 4 years.   This does not include offseason training.   They are maxed at 8 hours per week out of season.   For the sake of argument, let's give them 4 weeks off over the course of the year... that leaves 25 weeks (numbers being round is convenient).  8 hours/week * 25 weeks = 200 more hours, and that's another $10,000 per year... or $40,000 for the 4 years.

The opportunity to get in-game experience is an almost incalculable resource... how much is that worth?  That experience is likely worth more than any other mentioned above, and plenty of students in college take 'unpaid internships' in order to get access to certain industries and to get the networking access that those internships offer.  (Obviously, others take paid internships as well and get that same benefit.)    So, let's call this a wash.  Whether paid or unpaid, internships offer something of value to both the intern and to the company using the intern, so let's say that that cost is not worth trying to calculate.

How much would it cost to have a gym membership at a gym?  According to https://www.healthline.com/health-news/gym-memberships-can-be-a-trap, the average cost is $58/month.  Again, for the sake of simple numbers, let's round down to $50/month.  That's $600/year and $2400 for the four years.

 

So, total 'value' added for the student-athlete at Alabama? 
$205,592 (tuition)
+ $92,000 (in-season coaching)
+ $40,000 (off-season coaching)
+ $2400 (gym access)

= $339,992.   So, a 1/3 of a million dollars over the 4 years (for an out of state student).

That's really what is being invested in a single student at UA that's coming from out of state.  In-state students would save $20,000 per year in tuition.  So, that's just 1/4 of a million dollars over the 4 years. 

 

But, let's fix to pay them on top of that.  How about $15/hour?  (20 hours/wk in-season [23 weeks], 8 hours/wk off-season [25 weeks], 4 years = 2640 hours total during the 4 years ) = $39,600 for the 4 years.   Let's round it off to $10,000.    You prefer $25/hour?  $16,500 per year.

 

(BTW... I recognize that many college athletes actually practice more than the 20 hour limit set by the NCAA.  So, while they are getting more coaching, I am not showing that as a charge for what they are 'gaining', but also not including those extra hours as part of their payment either.)

Alabama made a 33 million dollar profit last year. So 132,000,000 over 4 years. So players get a whole 0.002%.

Now at 85 players. Not all get scholarships of course but we will add it like that. Also, we will act like they are all out of state.

That’s 22%.

Alabama makes 78% of the take off these kids. $102,960,000. The worst parts are they can’t even negotiate and the college has no responsibility to their injury.

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Student athletes don't get the full value of a college education, because their scholarship commitments take them away from the classroom.

And it seems more and more, that a college degree doesn't really hold the same weight it used to. 

 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

And it seems more and more, that a college degree doesn't really hold the same weight it used to. 

That's because they're overused now. When companies started requiring Bachelor's for every job under the sun they started to lose their value.

Congrats to Devonta for making the List:

 

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Why would DP want to deal with an even bigger buffoon at owner??

bears a much better option. He can be picky

You’re assuming he’s been offered, Coaching is like a drug for some. They can only stay away for so long. 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

Looking like windy and rain during  the game  

Should help our enjoyment of the game if the visibility is low.  

1 hour ago, greend said:

I don't have a big problem paying them I guess if for some reason their free education (which could be 100,000 or more) isn't enough for them. I do however have a problem with them accepting the free tuition and then "opting" out of "meaningless" games. When that was the reason they got the free tuition and they knew that going in.

Nobody wants to see them get hurt especially "minutes" before they are getting drafted, unfortunately that is part of the game of football and a chance that most of us mere mortals would gladly take for a free education and a shot to even get into the NFL

Schools will revoke the scholarship if an athlete stops playing.  The scholarship is tied to playing.  I don't the University of Alabama costs $100,000 but even if it did, Jameson lost more than 10 times that if he is now a late first round pick.  

21 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I don't have a lot to say about the OL for that game; it was so hard to watch. Clark had a very rough game at RT. He got beaten inside and outside. He didn't seem to have much rapport with 76 - was that Anderson? I don't remember ever noticing him before. He was decent and he has pretty good wheels. He pulled several times and looked good doing it. Toth was quite solid at C, which surprised me as I didn't know he ever practiced there. I didn't watch the whole thing but his snaps were all good in the time I did watch. He's a keeper and looks like he can play several positions quite competently. Opeta and Dillard were both good. They handled a couple of E/T stunts smoothly and their run blocking was first rate.

I will say that the RBs (Gainwell and Huntley) did the OL no favors, especially on OZs. Gotta plant and get into the hole when you see it instead of drifting to the sideline. They left a lot of yards on the field.

I thought Anderson and Awosika performed solidly at RG.   I agree about the running backs.  College speed back syndrome.  Always thinking they can always cut it towards the outside.  It is a reason I like Scott.  For a short back, probably because he is stout for his size, he is not afraid to get skinny in the hole and run between the tackles.  He and Howard both do a great job of sticking it and getting skinny in the hole.   When I review college RBs, I watch games, not highlights because I want to see their ability to find the holes and take what is there. Burst through the hole is better than high speed at RB. 

Have to think Jameson and Metchie both still go in the second round…

5 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Have to think Jameson or Metchie go 15th to the Eagles

FYP

2 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Have to think Jameson and Metchie both still go in the second round…

I generally don't like these kinds of draft scenarios, but this would be pretty tempting.

1 minute ago, Parrot Head said:

I generally don't like these kinds of draft scenarios, but this would be pretty tempting.

Agreend

26 minutes ago, justrelax said:

You have a higher pain tolerance than I.

You watched it as a regular season game.  I looked at it as a preseason game and evaluation of individual performance.  Dallas did us a favor of playing their starters deep into the game as I saw it.   Also, you have to look at it as players that really haven’t had time to gel as a unit. It wasn’t like a sub into a group that had been playing so very much individual evaluation opportunities for the players.  I will review the All 22 when I get the chance. I want to get a better feel for individual play in the secondary.  Hip fluidity, catch up speed and the like.  Dak ate them up but what did they do well and where is there concern for the future.  I think that game really helps those players and their end of the season interviews.   We will see who takes the Quez Watkins approach and who takes the JJAW or Reagor approach this offseason.   

For all the success on OL and run game this season, the FO should do something for Stout and keep him with the team.  He is the very few (only?) coach from previous staff to be retained by Siri.  Money is one thing, a title of Assistant HC may be appropriate.