Apologies if already posted.  But only 5 throws out of 37 beyond ten yards.  The majority 5 yards or less.

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

It could always be worse? I guess?

"Miserable being must find more miserable being... then is happy."

Reid’s just being a dick now 

8 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

You really think they don't see what we see?  They changed the whole philosophy of the offense because Hurts can't operate like an NFL QB.

Sure would've been nice if Howie saw it before he drafted him.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Apologies if already posted.  But only 5 throws out of 37 beyond ten yards.  The majority 5 yards or less.

He's never been a deep ball guy for the most part... but extremely accurate and always seems to make the right reads.    Look at all the greens.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Reid’s just being a dick now 

He would have had a bye week without the #7 seed. 

He is making a statement to the league.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Sure would've been nice if Howie saw it before he drafted him.

The draft process was clearly broken in '19 and '20.  I sense a return to competency is upon us.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Apologies if already posted.  But only 5 throws out of 37 beyond ten yards.  The majority 5 yards or less.

Well if we are going to compare it to Hurts…there is no comparison…Brady still has a lot of green beyond the LOS.

But when you drop Hurts from the equation…this is a problem for Brady.  He’s dinking and dunking more than ever.  He’s not an elite QB anymore.  That worked against our defense, which is content to relentlessly allow 5-7 yard passes en route to the end zone.  But it’s not going to fly against real playoff teams.  This won’t work for them unless they luck into a low scoring game.  They are going to get torched in a high scoring affair with Brady under center.  It’s all mystique and accurate dunks at this point.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The draft process was clearly broken in '19 and '20.  I sense a return to competency is upon us.

I hope so.  

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The draft process was clearly broken in '19 and '20.  I sense a return to competency is upon us.

I commend your optimism, afan.

At least the Cowboys lost. That’s good enough for me. 
 

I mean, it sucked to watch us ish the bed so bad. But realistically, I knew we were gonna lose, just thought it would be more competitive. Not the final score, per se, but the actual game. But the outcome wasn’t any different. 
 

I just don’t know if I could’ve handled the blowout PLUS Skip Bayless and Cowboy nation being braggart all week. It would be real hard to swallow right now, even knowing it’s coming. 
 

The blowout was the best thing for us as fans. The FO can’t even pretend "we’re fine there”. Big changes have to be made. We knew they did, without the blowout. But now the team can’t pretend. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Well if we are going to compare it to Hurts…there is no comparison…Brady still has a lot of green beyond the LOS.

But when you drop Hurts from the equation…this is a problem for Brady.  He’s dinking and dunking more than ever.  He’s not an elite QB anymore.  That worked against our defense, which is content to relentlessly allow 5-7 yard passes en route to the end zone.  But it’s not going to fly against real playoff teams.  This won’t work for them unless they luck into a low scoring game.  They are going to get torched in a high scoring affair with Brady under center.  It’s all mystique and accurate dunks at this point.

But... that lead the NFL in passing yards, TDs and attempts.  He's still better than all but about 5 other Qbs in the NFL... at 44. 

 

And I can't stand the guy, but there's no denying that he's still way better than almost everyone else out there.  

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

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6.  Quez Watkins.  If it’s hard to know exactly what we have in Devonta Smith, then it’s IMPOSSIBLE to know with Watkins.  This guy could be Desean Jackson or John Hightower and we wouldn’t know the difference.  When he is streaking wide open deep, I don’t know if it’s because he’s that good or if it’s because teams just don’t bother defending the deep part of the field anymore.  He’s always open and it never matters.  He has flashed the ability to make the rest of the defense look like it’s standing still.  When someone shows that once, let alone multiple times, you have to give him patience and multiple opportunities.

 

The other youngsters aren’t really worth mentioning as assets yet.

Quez legitimately could have had 150-200 yards today and was robbed by poor QB play. The same goes for DeVonta pretty much all season long. He puts up Jefferson numbers with a competent passing QB. That needs to go into the assessment with Hurts on if they decide to move on. If they want to continue to run the offense that they had success with the last half of the season, then they are devaluing the receiver position and the assets they use to spend on that position group. So forget about trading for Calvin Ridley, signing Mike Williams, or even making a run at Davante Adams. They will never get the rate of return at that position with Hurts’ limited ability to throw. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I commend your optimism, afan.

Really???   I am not sugar coating or rationalizing anything.  Howie made mistakes in '19 and '20.  I am not going to diminish them, or blame Pederson, or Lurie, or Wentz, or Douglas.  Howie owns them.

But he had a good draft in '21 and walked away with two first rounders in '22.  That is reason for optimism.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

But... that lead the NFL in passing yards, TDs and attempts.  He's still better than all but about 5 other Qbs in the NFL... at 44. 

 

And I can't stand the guy, but there's no denying that he's still way better than almost everyone else out there.  

An accurate QB who plays a full season behind a top notch OL with really good weapons is definitely going to get you top 5 stats.  He’s the GOAT and it really can’t be debated.  But I do think there are some holes in his game that are waiting to get exposed, while his OL and the rest of the offense are helping to conceal them.  But statistically, it’s still tough to criticize him, even in 2021.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well if we are going to compare it to Hurts…there is no comparison…Brady still has a lot of green beyond the LOS.

But when you drop Hurts from the equation…this is a problem for Brady.  He’s dinking and dunking more than ever.  He’s not an elite QB anymore.  That worked against our defense, which is content to relentlessly allow 5-7 yard passes en route to the end zone.  But it’s not going to fly against real playoff teams.  This won’t work for them unless they luck into a low scoring game.  They are going to get torched in a high scoring affair with Brady under center.  It’s all mystique and accurate dunks at this point.

Oh, for sure. They’re not a great team. That’s how bad we are. 
 

But the difference, even with the dunk and dunk thing for Brady.. Someone pointed out earlier that the Bucs were stacking the line of schrimage until Hurts showed he could beat it. Which he didn’t. 
 

Our DC didn’t even try that, but even if he had, Brady could have still beat it, because he can anticipate throws. So it probably wouldn’t have worked for us. That’s just what we gave him and he took it. Hurts can’t take what is given, which is the problem. 
 

Also, I’m thinking Afan might actually, for real this time, be Howie. 

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

The draft process was clearly broken in '19 and '20.  I sense a return to competency is upon us.

We can only hope.  But, 2017 wasn't exactly 'good' either.  2016... no one left from that draft except Seumalo.

And all told... going into next season, from 2016 - 2019 drafts... the Eagles will likely have only 6 draftees.  Seumalo, Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Mailata, Sanders.

And 2020 might be stripped down to only 5... Hurts, Taylor, Driscoll, Bradley, Watkins.   And Taylor is a guy that will likely only make the roster due to potential, not production.  (Reagor is likely on the roster too, but shouldn't be.)

 

So, the draft process seems to have been broken for a while, at least in terms of getting any long term building pieces.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He’s basically a boomer. 

Very woke of you.

Just now, blindside said:

Oh, for sure. They’re not a great team. That’s how bad we are. 
 

But the difference, even with the dunk and dunk thing for Brady.. Someone pointed out earlier that the Bucs were stacking the line of schrimage until Hurts showed he could beat it. Which he didn’t. 
 

Our DC didn’t even try that, but even if he had, Brady could have still beat it, because he can anticipate throws. So it probably wouldn’t have worked for us. That’s just what we gave him and he took it. Hurts can’t take what is given, which is the problem. 
 

Also, I’m thinking Afan might actually, for real this time, be Howie. 

I actually think if the rams can get by the cardinals they are set up to beat a team like the Bucs. They smoked them in LA earlier in the year. They can put Ramsey on Evans. And they have the pass rush from Donald and Miller to get to brady. on offense they have 3 good WRs and can run the ball. If Stafford can beat the cardinals and not be a turnover machine i think the rams like the niners this week against Dallas are a bad matchup for the Bucs. 

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

An accurate QB who plays a full season behind a top notch OL with really good weapons is definitely going to get you top 5 stats.  He’s the GOAT and it really can’t be debated.  But I do think there are some holes in his game that are waiting to get exposed, while his OL and the rest of the offense are helping to conceal them.  But statistically, it’s still tough to criticize him, even in 2021.

I don't deny that... but it is amazing to watch though... at 44.  

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Quez legitimately could have had 150-200 yards today and was robbed by poor QB play. The same goes for DeVonta pretty much all season long. He puts up Jefferson numbers with a competent passing QB. That needs to go into the assessment with Hurts on if they decide to move on. If they want to continue to run the offense that they had success with the last half of the season, then they are devaluing the receiver position and the assets they use to spend on that position group. So forget about trading for Calvin Ridley, signing Mike Williams, or even making a run at Davante Adams. They will never get the rate of return at that position with Hurts’ limited ability to throw. 

There’s no point in even having two WRs on the field at the same time, over the last 7 games of this offense. It’s either WR1(in the progression) or the TE, or scramble. Why put anymore resources into pas catchers until the QB can get the ball to the ones we have?

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Really???   I am not sugar coating or rationalizing anything.  Howie made mistakes in '19 and '20.  I am not going to diminish them, or blame Pederson, or Lurie, or Wentz, or Douglas.  Howie owns them.

But he had a good draft in '21 and walked away with two first rounders in '22.  That is reason for optimism.

Sorry, I just have zero confidence in him being able to find us a quality QB. Call me jaded, unreasonable, or whatever, but the guy just sucks and needs to go asap.

Brady has more completions down the field than any QB in the league this year. He's the furthest thing from a dink and donker. He's absolutely still elite. He's throwing the ball as well or better than he ever has.

3 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Really???   I am not sugar coating or rationalizing anything.  Howie made mistakes in '19 and '20.  I am not going to diminish them, or blame Pederson, or Lurie, or Wentz, or Douglas.  Howie owns them.

But he had a good draft in '21 and walked away with two first rounders in '22.  That is reason for optimism.

Expand your definition of mistakes to include 2016 and 2017... 

 

BTW... you may assign the mistakes to Howie, but that doesn't mean that he owns them.  He generally passes them on to someone else.