2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I don't deny that... but it is amazing to watch though... at 44.  

I've had a rough adulthood and at 37, I have trouble getting out of bed.  He's still the best in the business at 44

My issue is.. Hurts now has zero trade value AND I don’t even trust him to be the backup. If we get a throwing QB, I don’t want to have to change the entire offense to a RPO stangnant turd. I’d rather keep Minshew as a backup. 
 

Speaking of backups... of our starter Ishes the bed terribly, I’d like to see the backup get a chance 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually think if the rams can get by the cardinals they are set up to beat a team like the Bucs. They smoked them in LA earlier in the year. They can put Ramsey on Evans. And they have the pass rush from Donald and Miller to get to brady. on offense they have 3 good WRs and can run the ball. If Stafford can beat the cardinals and not be a turnover machine i think the rams like the niners this week against Dallas are a bad matchup for the Bucs. 

Yeah, I was concerned about Dallas getting a rematch. Damn near beat them on opening day.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

We can only hope.  But, 2017 wasn't exactly 'good' either.  2016... no one left from that draft except Seumalo.

And all told... going into next season, from 2016 - 2019 drafts... the Eagles will likely have only 6 draftees.  Seumalo, Goedert, Maddox, Sweat, Mailata, Sanders.

And 2020 might be stripped down to only 5... Hurts, Taylor, Driscoll, Bradley, Watkins.   And Taylor is a guy that will likely only make the roster due to potential, not production.  (Reagor is likely on the roster too, but shouldn't be.)

 

So, the draft process seems to have been broken for a while, at least in terms of getting any long term building pieces.

I think you are diminishing '16 a bit too much.  Wentz wasn't a bad pick.  In 2017 he would have been the MVP of the league.  The crap that happened after isn't a failure of the draft process.  You got four really good years from Big V and Mills, day three picks.

Yeah, '17 sucked.  

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

I've had a rough adulthood and at 37, I have trouble getting out of bed.  He's still the best in the business at 44

He and I are the exact same age.  Share the exact same birthday... and I had a back issue a couple years ago and haven't quite been the same since.   

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Really???   I am not sugar coating or rationalizing anything.  Howie made mistakes in '19 and '20.  I am not going to diminish them, or blame Pederson, or Lurie, or Wentz, or Douglas.  Howie owns them.

But he had a good draft in '21 and walked away with two first rounders in '22.  That is reason for optimism.

The biggest problem with Howie-led picks has been the extreme reactionary compensation in defiance of logic of his 1st and 2nd round picks.  The late round picks have been average at worst.  He panics or something with the high picks.

It starts with Danny Watkins (and AR has blood on his hands for that one too) when they got cute and tried to address a need in round 1 the year the draft came before FA.  Then again with Marcus Smith when they tried to maneuver around the draft until they found the right value, then panicked and settled for their favorite edge rusher on the board because they didn’t know what else to do.  Howie has gone on trends where he drafts woefully inadequate athletes simply because they are high motor guys.  Other times, he has gone for inadequate athletes simply because he goes NCAA stat hunting, ignoring far more explosive, rare athletes.  After those failures are thrown in his face, he drafts all athletes regardless of whether or not there is evidence that they can play football, ignoring elite football players with incredible NCAA resumes.

He is all over the damn place with his 1st and 2nd round picks.  

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

He and I are the exact same age.  Share the exact same birthday... and I had a back issue a couple years ago and haven't quite been the same since.   

I hear new noises every morning when I get out of bed.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Expand your definition of mistakes to include 2016 and 2017... 

 

BTW... you may assign the mistakes to Howie, but that doesn't mean that he owns them.  He generally passes them on to someone else.

Which is why you have never seen him and afan at the same time.

Just now, blindside said:

There’s no point in even having two WRs on the field at the same time, over the last 7 games of this offense. It’s either WR1(in the progression) or the TE, or scramble. Why put anymore resources into pas catchers until the QB can get the ball to the ones we have?

That and you become very unappealable to free agent wide receivers as well. The same way they are with Lamar Jackson in Baltimore. Free agent receivers don’t want to play with him. This is the same type of offense there, with Hurts being less talented as a runner than Jackson. No receiver wants to play in an offense where they have to block and get limited targets. Goedert will be fine the same way Mark Andrews is, but you can’t have your tight end being the best receiving option on your team. 
 

And it flat out comes down to if you want to beat the Green Bay, Tampa, Buffalo, Kansas City’s of the world, you have to put up 30+ with an efficient passing attack. Running the ball can get you to the playoffs, but you’ll never be able to go deep without a quarterback who can win you a shootout. 
 

I really don’t want them to unload the truck for a Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson and would rather use those picks to rebuild the defense. But in the grand scheme of things, this team with Hurts and 3 first round defensive rookies is most likely in the same boat next year as they were this year. 

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

I think you are diminishing '16 a bit too much.  Wentz wasn't a bad pick.  In 2017 he would have been the MVP of the league.  The crap that happened after isn't a failure of the draft process.  You got four really good years from Big V and Mills, day three picks.

Yeah, '17 sucked.  

I agree with the bolded.  However, the GM is responsible for all of that... and ultimately, the draft is supposed to be about building the foundation of the team.  2016 is basically the same void as 2017 now.  Those players that are gone don't help this team any more.   (You could argue that Wentz will be with this upcoming first round pick.) 

Every game has been a blowout except Dallas-SF.  Hopefully next weekend will be closer, more exciting games.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Sorry, I just have zero confidence in him being able to find us a quality QB. Call me jaded, unreasonable, or whatever, but the guy just sucks and needs to go asap.

This goes back to what I talked about last week where they’ve been looking for their next franchise QB since McNabb left. They’ve had individual seasons of great QB play but never consistent year yo year. Michael Vick in 2010. The Nick Foles’ 27-2 season and the QB play in 2017. Really our most consistent QB play has been 2017-2019 and I’d argue for large portions of 2018 it wasn’t that good and ditto for 2019.

The eagles can beat up on bad and mediocre teams with the talent they have currently. They showed that. However those aren’t the teams you have to catch up to to win a Super Bowl. Against better teams they have a large gap to make up due to Passing game being what it is and the defense. So until you get that quarterback and fix the defense which means you have to be way even better than what they were in the 2021 draft to get there and use their cap space wisely. 

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I hear new noises every morning when I get out of bed.

Me too. It's usually followed by my wife saying, "Dude! That smells!"

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I hear new noises every morning when I get out of bed.

It will only get louder.  lol   (but I understand that your hearing will start to go next, so you won't notice it for long!)

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Every game has been a blowout except Dallas-SF.  Hopefully next weekend will be closer, more exciting games.

LV/Cincy was also a good game.

6 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Yeah, I was concerned about Dallas getting a rematch. Damn near beat them on opening day.

I thought if Dallas got by the niners they would be trouble for the Bucs too. Especially with the injury to the oline of the Bucs today. I think the difference in that game is Bowles as DC likely could be the difference especially second time facing Dallas. 

However as soon as the Niners won that game against the Rams, that was the worst possible matchup Dallas could’ve gotten out of the Eagles, Cardinals and Niners. cardinals they had a revenge factor on top of a playoff game and cardinals really aren’t playing well right now. The Niners are playing good right now. the thing I believed was if the Niners offensive line held up and Jimmy G could limit his stupid plays then they could win that game due to Dallas being porous against guys after the catch and after first contact. Plus the niners have as much talent on their roster as Dallas. 

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

That and you become very unappealable to free agent wide receivers as well. The same way they are with Lamar Jackson in Baltimore. Free agent receivers don’t want to play with him. This is the same type of offense there, with Hurts being less talented as a runner than Jackson. No receiver wants to play in an offense where they have to block and get limited targets. Goedert will be fine the same way Mark Andrews is, but you can’t have your tight end being the best receiving option on your team. 
 

And it flat out comes down to if you want to beat the Green Bay, Tampa, Buffalo, Kansas City’s of the world, you have to put up 30+ with an efficient passing attack. Running the ball can get you to the playoffs, but you’ll never be able to go deep without a quarterback who can win you a shootout. 
 

I really don’t want them to unload the truck for a Russell Wilson or Deshaun Watson and would rather use those picks to rebuild the defense. But in the grand scheme of things, this team with Hurts and 3 first round defensive rookies is most likely in the same boat next year as they were this year. 

I agree. But we have to build the defense at some point. We’re not a QB away from competing. So I’d rather use those picks at strengths of this draft, than reach for a QB or get an old one with a short lifespan, and wait to get a QB when there’s a legitimate option, than piss away a chance of at least making some part of the team better. With a good defense, maybe you wouldn’t get down so early in games and have to come from behind. We could possibly establish the run game. 

Wentz was neither a good nor a bad pick.  First off, he was an organizational franchise QB decision.  That’s on Lurie, Doug, Howie, and Frank Reich.  Wentz was far more than just a "draft pick.”  Combine the etiology of the decision with the ambiguous result…an MVP level regular season contribution to a SB winning season followed by zero playoff appearances and lots of disappointment afterwards…Wentz is sort of just a neutral.

Seumalo, Vaitai, and Mills made for a nice rest of the draft though.

7 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

I hear new noises every morning when I get out of bed.

Don't eat spicy foods after 8pm.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I thought if Dallas got by the niners they would be trouble for the Bucs too. Especially with the injury to the oline of the Bucs today. I think the difference in that game is Bowles as DC likely could be the difference especially second time facing Dallas. 

However as soon as the Niners won that game against the Rams, that was the worst possible matchup Dallas could’ve gotten out of the Eagles, Cardinals and Niners. cardinals they had a revenge factor on top of a playoff game and cardinals really aren’t playing well right now. The Niners are playing good right now. the thing I believed was if the Niners offensive line held up and Jimmy G could limit his stupid plays then they could win that game due to Dallas being porous against guys after the catch and after first contact. Plus the niners have as much talent on their roster as Dallas. 

My thoughts exactly. I wasn't 100% sure SF would win, but I felt they had the best shot of any possible opponent today.

3 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

LV/Cincy was also a good game.

The games that should have been were good games.  The games that never should have been were not.

With the exception of adding a QB, what ONE move do you think would improve this team most for 2022? Can be player or coach.

(within reason, ex: no bringing back legends from the dead)

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Wentz was neither a good nor a bad pick.  First off, he was an organizational franchise QB decision.  That’s on Lurie, Doug, Howie, and Frank Reich.  Wentz was far more than just a "draft pick.”  Combine the etiology of the decision with the ambiguous result…an MVP level regular season contribution to a SB winning season followed by zero playoff appearances and lots of disappointment afterwards…Wentz is sort of just a neutral.

Seumalo, Vaitai, and Mills made for a nice rest of the draft though.

Would you grade Barnett as neutral?  Not a reach.  Mildly productive, but inconsistent career.  Kind of performing a round below where he was selected.

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

My thoughts exactly. I wasn't 100% sure SF would win, but I felt they had the best shot of any possible opponent today.

I had the 49ers winning that game easily.   They made it harder than it should have been due to settling for FGs rather than TDs, and stupid decisions down the stretch.

Just now, schuy7 said:

With the exception of adding a QB, what ONE move do you think would improve this team most for 2022? Can be player or coach.

Resurrect Reggie White?

Put Brian Dawkins into a time machine?

Kidnap TJ Watt?