34 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

LV/Cincy was also a good game.

Forgot about that.

3 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

My somewhat outlandish yet possibly realistic scenario is that Garoppolo is the starting QB for next season. They’ll use two of the first rounders in this year’s draft and trade another to kick the can into the 2023 draft to have capital and draft a QB if needed. 

I’d gladly take Garoppolo over Hurts as a seat-warming qb if he came free of draft capital and the cap hit was right.  Otherwise, it’s not worth it because he’s not good enough either.

This day on the board reminds me of when chip Kelly got fired, all those stupid duck fans in the board were never heard of again just like any hurts apologist Is somewhere crying.

Not much to defend, hurts was horrid 

Everything the detractors have said about him came to fruition today in an awful display of qb ineptitude.

Not sure how long it will take the pro hurts crowd to be back on their soap box.

I said yesterday that I was still hopeful for hurts that I was willing to give him the benefit of doubt and if he crapped the bed I'd be done with him.

So as of now I'm done and wash my hands of him.

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts has a great work ethic, made a lot of progress from his rookie year, the fact he struggles against a really fast defense doesn't surprise me, Eagles don't have the big possession WR who is a QB's security blanket, RBs who can pass block or are good targets out of the backfield (Sanders was once, but really regressed). Hurts needs to work with Tom House or some other QB guru on his mechanics this offseason, then study film until his eyes bleed, and hopefully will have mini-camps, invite his WRs for extended work and a full training camp.

Now will that make a difference? Don't know until you try. But he's only 23, that's the age a lot of QBs get drafted. He's never going to have a gun, but he has a good enough arm. Hurt's biggest problem is he hasn't got to the point where the game slows down for him - he may never get there or he may get there in the next year or two. But the Eagles have nothing to lose by giving him another season - even a great deep draft won't put them over the top next year b/c for many players, it takes 2-3 years to really make a difference.

So you shore up the OL, give him another weapon or two (power back who can pick up blitzes would make play action more effective, big WR to give an underneath target) and worst that happens, you have an offense you can plug a veteran QB in and win immediately in 2-3 years. Meanwhile, a defensive upgrade will mean you won't be falling behind by 2 TDs after a quarter and forced out of the running game - which often requires going 3 and out for a series or two before you find cracks in the opposing defense and start breaking off big runs.

Drafting someone like Pickett is a waste, if a QB isn't going to be elite, why waste a 1st rd pick on a glorified backup? We already have two.

 

Say it with me.  Jalen Hurts can’t pass.  Then say it again.  Jalen Hurts can’t pass.

He does not have a good enough arm.  Not even close actually.  He has to crank his entire body just to get the ball downfield, which is why the throw is always late and why he has no control over where it goes.  He couldn’t flick the ball with a quick release on a screen pass behind the LOS.

I don’t care about his work ethic.  I don’t care about his leadership.  We aren’t storming the beaches of Normandy here.  6’5” QBs with huge arms who are erratic are allowed to be young and to make progress.  6’ QBs with noodle arms who don’t know the difference between their 2nd read and a blitzing linebacker don’t need patience.  They need to be out of the lineup.

But I agree that Pickett is a waste.  

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

My somewhat outlandish yet possibly realistic scenario is that Garoppolo is the starting QB for next season. They’ll use two of the first rounders in this year’s draft and trade another to kick the can into the 2023 draft to have capital and draft a QB if needed. 

Idk i thought Jimmy G played well for like 3 quarters of that game and then he did what he tends to do which is a huge mistake. If Dallas somehow came back and won that game it starts with the interception he had to kick it off.

That said I also didn’t think Shanahan had a very good fourth quarter of that game. On the 4th and 1 from the 38, I strongly disliked that play due to all the olinemen moving. It wound up costing you a penalty trying to be too exotic Just line up and sneak Jimmy G for the inch and the game is over. 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Hurts has a great work ethic, made a lot of progress from his rookie year, the fact he struggles against a really fast defense doesn't surprise me, Eagles don't have the big possession WR who is a QB's security blanket, RBs who can pass block or are good targets out of the backfield (Sanders was once, but really regressed). Hurts needs to work with Tom House or some other QB guru on his mechanics this offseason, then study film until his eyes bleed, and hopefully will have mini-camps, invite his WRs for extended work and a full training camp.

Now will that make a difference? Don't know until you try. But he's only 23, that's the age a lot of QBs get drafted. He's never going to have a gun, but he has a good enough arm. Hurt's biggest problem is he hasn't got to the point where the game slows down for him - he may never get there or he may get there in the next year or two. But the Eagles have nothing to lose by giving him another season - even a great deep draft won't put them over the top next year b/c for many players, it takes 2-3 years to really make a difference.

So you shore up the OL, give him another weapon or two (power back who can pick up blitzes would make play action more effective, big WR to give an underneath target) and worst that happens, you have an offense you can plug a veteran QB in and win immediately in 2-3 years. Meanwhile, a defensive upgrade will mean you won't be falling behind by 2 TDs after a quarter and forced out of the running game - which often requires going 3 and out for a series or two before you find cracks in the opposing defense and start breaking off big runs.

Drafting someone like Pickett is a waste, if a QB isn't going to be elite, why waste a 1st rd pick on a glorified backup? We already have two.

 

He will never be good enough, that is why Howie will go get a QB.  Can’t wait to hear you try to spin it.

After todays game, all I can say is….

 

 

W’s are back on the menu!

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Say it with me.  Jalen Hurts can’t pass.  Then say it again.  Jalen Hurts can’t pass.

He does not have a good enough arm.  Not even close actually.  He has to crank his entire body just to get the ball downfield, which is why the throw is always late and why he has no control over where it goes.  He couldn’t flick the ball with a quick release on a screen pass behind the LOS.

I don’t care about his work ethic.  I don’t care about his leadership.  We aren’t storming the beaches of Normandy here.  6’5” QBs with huge arms who are erratic are allowed to be young and to make progress.  6’ QBs with noodle arms who don’t know the difference between their 2nd read and a blitzing linebacker don’t need patience.  They need to be out of the lineup.

But I agree that Pickett is a waste.  

I wasn’t a big he didn’t have the arm to have success in the league. I thought his inaccuracies and inability to get the ball out on time or wait til wide receivers got open was his bigger problem. But his arm strength was on full display today on the first interception. Smith was open in the end zone as the corner fell down and he didn’t get enough on it or couldn’t which allowed edwards to come over and make the interception. That’s a type of throw where in 2019 Carson Wentz flings it with some mustard on it to miles Sanders in the back of the Endzone against Washington. That’s the type of throw you need your quarterback to make in that situation. Wentz isn’t very good and not here and I’m not sure hurts can make that type of throw or at least consistently enough. 

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

After todays game, all I can say is….

 

 

W’s are back on the menu!

I know you are joking, but Winston is an interesting enigma.  If we can set aside his weird personality, the guy is a high volume passer who gets the ball out there and lets his weapons make plays.  He wasn’t the #1 overall pick for nothing.  The turnovers and mental lapses destroyed him.  Then he gets some better coaching and is basically put on a leash.  The turnovers went away, but so did the eyes downfield and the big plays.  I don’t see his career ever going in a positive direction again, but much like Minshew, he’ll get the WRs involved.

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He will never be good enough, that is why Howie will go get a QB.  Can’t wait to hear you try to spin it.

Question is who?   

I can't see Seattle moving on from Wilson or GB moving on from Rodgers.  Does Watson want to come here?  Why would LV move on from Carr when they don't have a replacement? 

There is going to be lots of QB questions this offseason with not alot of answers. 

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He will never be good enough, that is why Howie will go get a QB.  Can’t wait to hear you try to spin it.

I just worry that QB will be Deshaun Watson. It makes all the logistical sense in the world. The Eagles have the draft capital, can recoup something back for Hurts, and Minshew can start until his suspension ends.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Question is who?   

I can't see Seattle moving on from Wilson or GB moving on from Rodgers.  Does Watson want to come here?  Why would LV move on from Carr when they don't have a replacement? 

There is going to be lots of QB questions this offseason with not alot of answers. 

I think rodgers situation comes down to if the packers can reach a super bowl. I think if they come up short he’d ask out. That said i don’t think he comes here. I think he wants to be out west. That’s what the rumor was this offseason with the broncos and raiders. 

i think Wilson is more interesting situation. It depends on Wilson asking out and if seattle would be willing to oblige to his request. I still don’t think Carroll and Wilson are on the same page. Plus i think Wilson’s wife wants out. 

Who the hell knows with the Watson situation. Miami is out of it now and that was his number one spot. I’m guessing the top place he want to play would probably be Denver or Steelers. But who knows if he’s going to prison or not. I still don’t think any trade goes down for Watson until that is settled. And that might not be until after the draft

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I wasn’t a big he didn’t have the arm to have success in the league. I thought his inaccuracies and inability to get the ball out on time or wait til wide receivers got open was his bigger problem. But his arm strength was on full display today on the first interception. Smith was open in the end zone as the corner fell down and he didn’t get enough on it or couldn’t which allowed edwards to come over and make the interception. That’s a type of throw where in 2019 Carson Wentz flings it with some mustard on it to miles Sanders in the back of the Endzone against Washington. That’s the type of throw you need your quarterback to make in that situation. Wentz isn’t very good and not here and I’m not sure hurts can make that type of throw or at least consistently enough. 

I’m not a big arm strength guy either.  Drew Brees is one of the highest volume passers in NFL history with a mediocre at best arm.  Davis Mills and Mac Jones were my favorite non-Trevor Lawrence QBs in this past draft.  Tom Brady, the goat himself, never had a huge arm.  

When I watch Hurts literally wind up and heave the ball like an outfielder launching the ball in the general direction of home plate, it is cringe worthy.  That’s a huge part of the reason that every pass downfield is late and inaccurate.  When he throws any deep ball, he looks the way other QBs look in the pro-bowl longest throw competition.  And when they do that, it takes forever to release the ball, which goes in no particular direction as well.  With his arm strength deficits, everything is an extended release and an accuracy compromising strain.

3 minutes ago, SB52 said:

I just worry that QB will be Deshaun Watson. It makes all the logistical sense in the world. The Eagles have the draft capital, can recoup something back for Hurts, and Minshew can start until his suspension ends.

Watson makes the most sense because he’s only 27 years old (so you have a bunch of prime years left) and he’s a top 10 quarterback. The problem is I don’t think you can make any trade until you know that situation is settled or you know definitively he’s not going to prison. Until that point, I don’t believe any team is willing to make that deal. They might not get that whole situation settled until after the draft. 

8 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I know you are joking, but Winston is an interesting enigma.  If we can set aside his weird personality, the guy is a high volume passer who gets the ball out there and lets his weapons make plays.  He wasn’t the #1 overall pick for nothing.  The turnovers and mental lapses destroyed him.  Then he gets some better coaching and is basically put on a leash.  The turnovers went away, but so did the eyes downfield and the big plays.  I don’t see his career ever going in a positive direction again, but much like Minshew, he’ll get the WRs involved.

I’m kind of not. He was my FA guy to target if Saints let him leave and Hurts became a disaster. I’ve cooled off once he tore his ACL but after today, I think he’s a short term upgrade over Hurts. I’m not sure it’s big enough of an upgrade to spend resources on but in a vacuum I’d take Winston. 

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I’m not a big arm strength guy either.  Drew Brees is one of the highest volume passers in NFL history with a mediocre at best arm.  Davis Mills and Mac Jones were my favorite non-Trevor Lawrence QBs in this past draft.  Tom Brady, the goat himself, never had a huge arm.  

When I watch Hurts literally wind up and heave the ball like an outfielder launching the ball in the general direction of home plate, it is cringe worthy.  That’s a huge part of the reason that every pass downfield is late and inaccurate.  When he throws any deep ball, he looks the way other QBs look in the pro-bowl longest throw competition.  And when they do that, it takes forever to release the ball, which goes in no particular direction as well.  With his arm strength deficits, everything is an extended release and an accuracy compromising strain.

Jaws on the radio broadcast made a great point on some of his throws as the game unraveled. Once the Eagles got down, he started waiting for guys to get open before even considering making the throw. Jaws broke one Down on the outside near the sideline where Quez Watkins was open but hurts waited until he got completely open instead of anticipating it and it wound up getting knocked away because the defender had time to recover. Also on the fourth downplay to reagor, I think a quarterback with a better arm gets that ball to him. Whether reagor catches it or not who knows but hurts throw didn’t have enough on it which allowed tampa to make a play on it and much more difficult catch 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Watson makes the most sense because he’s only 27 years old (so you have a bunch of prime years left) and he’s a top 10 quarterback. The problem is I don’t think you can make any trade until you know that situation is settled or you know definitively he’s not going to prison. Until that point, I don’t believe any team is willing to make that deal. They might not get that whole situation settled until after the draft. 

With Watson, I don’t think we (or any team) would be well positioned to compete if we parted with the draft capital it would take to get him free and clear of his legal issues.  The price would be too high…and as good as he is, he’s not Mahomes level, so we’d really be missing those draft picks.

If you really like/want Watson and are ethically OK with it(and I haven’t seen enough of him to have a valid opinion), then I think the move is to take the risk on the chin and trade for him while a discount is still an option.  Maybe you get burnt, maybe you get the deal of the century.  But if you pay full price, you may not have enough of a team around him to compete anyway.  So the contrarian in me says make deal now, keep the picks, and take on the risk.

 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Jaws on the radio broadcast made a great point on some of his throws as the game unraveled. Once the Eagles got down, he started waiting for guys to get open before even considering making the throw. Jaws broke one Down on the outside near the sideline where Quez walkins was open but hurts waited until he got completely instead of anticipating it and it wound up getting knocked away because of that. Also on the fourth downplay to reagor I think a quarterback with a better arm gets that ball to him. Whether reagor catches it or not who knows but hurts throw didn’t have enough on it which allowed tampa to make a play on it. 

It looked like the WR’s lost faith in him, too. Sometimes you see it with one guy, but this was the whole group.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

With Watson, I don’t think we (or any team) would be well positioned to compete if we parted with the draft capital it would take to get him free and clear of his legal issues.  The price would be too high…and as good as he is, he’s not Mahomes level, so we’d really be missing those draft picks.

If you really like/want Watson and are ethically OK with it(and I haven’t seen enough of him to have a valid opinion), then I think the move is to take the risk on the chin and trade for him while a discount is still an option.  Maybe you get burnt, maybe you get the deal of the century.  But if you pay full price, you may not have enough of a team around him to compete anyway.  So the contrarian in me says make deal now, keep the picks, and take on the risk.

What is your version of a discount?

A first rounder, then a conditional #1 in 2023?

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

With Watson, I don’t think we (or any team) would be well positioned to compete if we parted with the draft capital it would take to get him free and clear of his legal issues.  The price would be too high…and as good as he is, he’s not Mahomes level, so we’d really be missing those draft picks.

If you really like/want Watson and are ethically OK with it(and I haven’t seen enough of him to have a valid opinion), then I think the move is to take the risk on the chin and trade for him while a discount is still an option.  Maybe you get burnt, maybe you get the deal of the century.  But if you pay full price, you may not have enough of a team around him to compete anyway.  So the contrarian in me says make deal now, keep the picks, and take on the risk.

I think the bigger issue is I don’t think the Texans are willing to make that discount trade and will wait until that situation gets resolved. It is definitely a risk for the Texans that he could go to prison and they get nothing but they’ve already waited this long for it I don’t see them budging. additionally there was rumor from glazer after the deadline passed that the dolphins had to deal in place and the Texans basically shut it down after re-thinking it. Whether or not that rumor was true don’t know. Frankly I think it’s true and I think that’s at the point where the Dolphins owner was like I’m out and this is bs. 

I think the elephant sized question for the eagles  becomes would you rather have the quarterback like watson/Wilson and hope that you can somewhat build around him (which may or may not fail) and hope your QB can elevate the roster or would you rather build the team up then get a QB but there is a risk you never find the QB that is as good as Wilson or watson. 

4 minutes ago, SB52 said:

 

It looked like the WR’s lost faith in him, too. Sometimes you see it with one guy, but this was the whole group.

Reagor and Watkins have both given up on too many routes this year. 

Just now, SB52 said:

What is your version of a discount?

A first rounder, then a conditional #1 in 2023?

I personally am not beating the drum for trading for Watson.  But 3 #1’s probably is what we’d be looking at if he had no legal issues.  Carson Wentz got a 1 and a 3, although there is near instant regret on that one.  That means a 1 and a conditional 1 for Watson probably does amount to a discount.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It will only get louder.  lol   (but I understand that your hearing will start to go next, so you won't notice it for long!)

huh

9 minutes ago, SB52 said:

 

It looked like the WR’s lost faith in him, too. Sometimes you see it with one guy, but this was the whole group.

Yeah. I thought the game was still there for the Eagles to get back in and make it competitive until reagor muffed the punt. To me that was the play that ended that game. The Eagles defense had forced three consecutive punts and they had a chance to get themselves claw themselves back into making it a 10 point game. They were going to have it in excellent field position with some momentum from the defense. Once that fumble happened, the avalanche hit and it was over 

6 hours ago, RLC said:

 

 

Young, Stroud, Richardson, Jurkevic, Lewis. Feel good that at least 3 of them will pop. Young would go top 5 this year.

If Bryce Young is the headliner of that class, then I can’t say I’d feel good about it.  I’m a hard pass on a sub 6’ dual threat QB playing with Alabama’s talent.