4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Reagor and Watkins have both given up on too many routes this year. 

yup and that was a major concern with Jalen Reagor in college. Daniel Jeremiah went on the broadcast before the draft on nfl network and said when things are going his way or the quarterbacks not throwing to him or when he had bad quarterback play at TCU he would give up on routes and in games. 

I want to say if you put Jalen Reagor in San Francisco maybe his career is different with shanahan using him the ways that he uses Brandon Aiyuk along with having Jimmy G who can be a better quarterback. But I don’t think it would. I think he would be a bust there too. Because I don’t think mentally he can handle when things go wrong. Instead of grinding and working through it, he tends to give up or half ass it. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Yeah. I thought the game was still there for the Eagles to get back in and make it competitive until reagor muffed the punt. To me that was the play that ended that game. The Eagles defense had forced three consecutive punts and they had a chance to get themselves claw themselves back into making it a 10 point game. They were going to have it in excellent field position with some momentum from the defense. Once that fumble happened, the avalanche hit and it was over 

I completely agree. Plus, that was the exact spot where the Bucs, the announcers, and their crowd were getting complacent. A quick 50-yard TD drive followed by a stop could have turned boredom into concern.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Barnett is interesting because he has sort of regressed.  He was a horrible round 1 value because he was completely, utterly, unexplosive.  His chances of being a disruptive, dangerous edge rusher were 0 from day 1.  And the coaches knew it and even discussed how they had to change his technique to compensate for a lack of explosion.  Why the hell do you settle for that at 13? 

Regardless…his relentless motor and excellent technique have allowed him to generate effort pressures/sacks over time and to hold up against the run.  As a multi-year starter, that’s not bad.  That’s probably a neutral, as you said.  He has now developed a league-wide reputation for major penalties and is a true liability at this point.  Refs probably even look for it now…but he clearly acts like an idiot on the field and deserves the reputation.  For a guy who knows his own couch mouthed off at him for it in front of the cameras on national TV, he still constantly chips and pushes people around after the whistle.  At this moment in time, he’s unquestionably a liability.

Did he play in any extra games that weren't on the schedule or officially documented that I missed? He is absolutely terrible against the run, hell TE's generally take him out of the game blocking.  Most of his sacks have come from being unblocked.  I guess you can call him Cpt almost, but truly that's BG.  Who while not having 'elite' sack totals is absolutely disruptive in the backfield.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If Bryce Young is the headliner of that class, then I can’t say I’d feel good about it.  I’m a hard pass on a sub 6’ dual threat QB playing with Alabama’s talent.

Stroud is probably the headliner, but we did get to see Bryce Young as the underdog in the championship game. I thought he was incredible.

He got hit on every play and kept delivering dimes (except for the one to the right in the end zone).

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

yup and that was a major concern with Jalen Reagor in college. Daniel Jeremiah went on the broadcast before the draft on nfl network and said when things are going his way or the quarterbacks not throwing to him or when he had bad quarterback play at TCU he would give up on routes and in games. 

I want to say if you put Jalen Reagor in San Francisco maybe his career is different with shanahan using him the ways that he uses Brandon Aiyuk along with having Jimmy G who can be a better quarterback. But I don’t think it would. I think he would be a bust there too. Because I don’t think mentally he can handle when things go wrong. Instead of grinding and working through it, he tends to give up or half ass it. 

Reagor would be better with a better QB.  But I still don’t think he’d be good.  His combine was real.  He’s the reason they have the combine.  His linear speed is not as advertised and the agility just isn’t there.  His routes are stiff and he just isn’t a smooth athlete.  All of that could be overcome into being a decent player, but he also manages to have a poor attitude and does all the little things wrong.

He should have been pulled off PR duty a year ago.  That much at least is a coaching failure.  He’s a total train wreck back there and it just adds to the apprehension and crisis between his ears.  Should have let him focus on being a WR, since that alone was already too much.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

If Bryce Young is the headliner of that class, then I can’t say I’d feel good about it.  I’m a hard pass on a sub 6’ dual threat QB playing with Alabama’s talent.

I think stroud is the the headliner. To me he’s the better prospect. The concern I have is I don’t think the Eagles are gonna be bad enough to get the quarterback they really covet in next year‘s draft. they’re gonna have to try to trade up to get that quarterback. And I’m not so sure they don’t have the same problem they encountered this year where they attempted to trade up to get Zack Wilson but the jets weren’t moving out of that spot and dead set on taking him. 

I don't want Watson, after seeing Mills put up a six game stretch to finish the season with similar numbers, makes you wonder if the talent in Houston is as bad as advertised.

Watson isn't a big playoff QB, his first game was as bad as Hurts, had a good game against Buffalo, put up a lot of garbage stats against KC. Had a 75 yard drive to start the game, (blocked punt for TD) then a 6 yard TD, and a 38 yard FG. Didn't score again until after KC put 41 on the board. Then down 41-24 put up 209 yards of offense and 1 TD to end the game.

He's a good but overrated QB. Given his character, he's not worth giving up a lot of assets.

 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Reagor would be better with a better QB.  But I still don’t think he’d be good.  His combine was real.  He’s the reason they have the combine.  His linear speed is not as advertised and the agility just isn’t there.  His routes are stiff and he just isn’t a smooth athlete.  All of that could be overcome into being a decent player, but he also manages to have a poor attitude and does all the little things wrong.

He should have been pulled off PR duty a year ago.  That much at least is a coaching failure.  He’s a total train wreck back there and it just adds to the apprehension and crisis between his ears.  Should have let him focus on being a WR, since that alone was already too much.

I think he be minimally better elsewhere but I still think mentally when things go wrong or he wasn’t getting the ball thrown to him or his quarterback wasn’t playing well that day, he would still have the same issues. he has this attitude and it’s likely not to change.   

The thing that irritates me the most with the Eagles and that draft, all off-season they had chances to improve that wide receiving corps. either with free agency or through trade and they declined to do it. Instead they decided to wait til the draft. That’s when they were going to fix the issues short and long term. Instead of dealing up to get lamb or taking the more polished WR in Justin Jefferson (who was very polished and likely could hit the ground running much better than reagor in a pandemic and he had ability to play inside and outside),  they took a kid who had many issues (discussed by Daniel Jeremiah leading up to the draft) and wasn’t nearly polished enough to overlook his so-so combine and coming off a down year at TCU. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I don't want Watson, after seeing Mills put up a six game stretch to finish the season with similar numbers, makes you wonder if the talent in Houston is as bad as advertised.

Watson isn't a big playoff QB, his first game was as bad as Hurts, had a good game against Buffalo, put up a lot of garbage stats against KC. Had a 75 yard drive to start the game, (blocked punt for TD) then a 6 yard TD, and a 38 yard FG. Didn't score again until after KC put 41 on the board. Then down 41-24 put up 209 yards of offense and 1 TD to end the game.

He's a good but overrated QB. Given his character, he's not worth giving up a lot of assets.

 

His last 6 games he had QBR of 6.2, 27.8, 20.5, 79.1, 30.8 and 69.5. So four of those games his QBR was not good. You come on here before using QBR as your sticking point. And the one game he had 69.5, they were down 21-0 at halftime before he did anything with a QBR below 20 at the half. his best game was against the Chargers who were without Derwin James, Joey Bosa and two other starters on that defense. So yes he played well in that game. He played according to QBR well in 2 of 6 

Additionally watson in 2020 with a bad offensive line, firing their coach midseason, pandemic where he didn’t get a full offseason with his new WRs but had the second highest quarterback rating in the league at 112 (12th QBR). Over that 6 game stretch mills was at 95 (and there’s a case he had some garbage time stats to boost his QB rating). That’s still isn’t as good as Deshaun Watson’s entire year. Additionally his QB rating is that high because he played well in two games against the chargers and the Titans (after they were down 21-0 at the half). the other 4 games in that stretch his Qb rating was 78.4. 

you cannot want Deshaun Watson but your reasoning of Davis mills played as well for 6 consecutive games (cause he didn’t and QBR tells you that) is inaccurate. 

For as bad as Hurts was today (terrible) it’s almost comical that Dak put up an identical stat line

Hurts — 23/43 for 258 with 1 TD and 2 INT

Dak — 23/43 for 254 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT

 

Dak will count $35.45M against the cap in 2022 and $45.45M in 2023

 

So …….. it can always be worse I guess 

 

4 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

For as bad as Hurts was today (terrible) it’s almost comical that Dak put up an identical stat line

Hurts — 23/43 for 258 with 1 TD and 2 INT

Dak — 23/43 for 254 yards with 1 TD and 1 INT

 

Dak will count $35.45M against the cap in 2022 and $45.45M in 2023

 

So …….. it can always be worse I guess 

 

We get Watson, he immediately becomes by far the best QB in the division.

And depending on if Rodgers goes to the AFC and how long Brady plays, becomes the best QB in the Conference.

No-brainier trade. Need to make it happen.

34 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think stroud is the the headliner. To me he’s the better prospect. The concern I have is I don’t think the Eagles are gonna be bad enough to get the quarterback they really covet in next year‘s draft. they’re gonna have to try to trade up to get that quarterback. And I’m not so sure they don’t have the same problem they encountered this year where they attempted to trade up to get Zack Wilson but the jets weren’t moving out of that spot and dead set on taking him. 

If hurts is the starter next year against a second place schedule we'll be picking top 10

1 hour ago, D-Shiznit said:

We get Watson, he immediately becomes by far the best QB in the division.

And depending on if Rodgers goes to the AFC and how long Brady plays, becomes the best QB in the Conference.

No-brainier trade. Need to make it happen.

I don’t think it’s a no brainer. There’s a lot going on with him off the field and character. but I can at least understand why the Eagles would consider making that move with his age and talent if he settles this and doesn’t go to jail 

Honest question when has Deshaun Watson ever in his career played behind an offensive line as good as the Eagles? It’s never. ESPN and PFF have rated the Texans oline since he came into the league, bottom third every single year. So you’re telling me with a massive upgrade to his oline compared to the Texans, Miles Sanders, Dallas Goedert and Smith (and they can still add to that) that he couldn’t be better as a quarterback? I don’t believe that. 

if you want to tell me you don’t want him because of his character and everything going on off the field that I can understand. Or the price it’ll cost to acquire him. however this he isnt that good or couldn’t elevate the Eagles is a bunch of BS imo. His offensive line is significantly better here. His running game is also better here. Only thing he doesn’t have better are his wide receivers and I would argue his tight end is much better here than it was with the Texans

1 hour ago, devpool said:

If hurts is the starter next year against a second place schedule we'll be picking top 10

if you want CJ Stroud you better be picking in the top three if he continues on his trajectory. Top 10 might not matter because you still likely have to move up to get the quarterback you covet. They tried to do that this year with Zach Wilson when they were at 6 and they couldn’t do it.

Go look at their schedule at the moment. They still play the giants twice, Washington twice, jags, Texans, lions, bears, Steelers (no QB at the moment) and Vikings. Saints are gonna be worse considering their cap situation. Maybe things change some of those teams get better but there’s a chance you could beat up on bad teams again like they did this year and not be picking top 10. 

6 minutes ago, devpool said:

If hurts is the starter next year against a second place schedule we'll be picking top 10

Next year's schedule is pretty easy as well. And the 2nd place teams, NO and PIT will be worse next year, due to personnel changes and cap.

We also play the AFCS and NFCN, two of the worst div in the NFL. It will be another cakewalk.

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t think it’s a no brainer. There’s a lot going on with him off the field and character. but I can at least understand why the Eagles would consider making that move with his age and talent.

I can't speak to off the field, the Eagles will have to do their due-diligence and go from there.

On the field, it's a no-brainer. A franchise QB in his prime or more of Howie's draft picks? Give me the QB.

7 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

We get Watson, he immediately becomes by far the best QB in the division.

And depending on if Rodgers goes to the AFC and how long Brady plays, becomes the best QB in the Conference.

No-brainier trade. Need to make it happen.

First, Watson needs to hope the grand jury declines to indict him.  Somewhat likely as I doubt there is forensic, video evidence, of eyewitness testimony to the alleged sexual assaults.

Next, Watson would need to settle his lawsuits.  Assuming he’s not indicted that could possibly happen by mid April on the assumption his accusers will be motivated to reach a financial settlement seeing he won’t be charged criminally.

After that, the Eagles would need an indication from the NFL Office on the length of a suspension.  Without criminal liability but settling lawsuits likely means Watson would get a 6-8 game suspension.

Finally, Watson would need to waive his No-trade clause to Philly.  As long as MIA is in, that’s where Watson will go.  If MIA drops out I suspect Watson would expand his list to New Orleans or Carolina.  Very doubtful he waives it for Philly.

Lastly, Watson will have to have matured enough to understand he doesn’t have the pull of an NBA player and try to dictate head coach, GM, and executive hires.  Very doubtful that will happen.

All in all, I’d put the odds of Deshaun Watson to Philly at about 40:1

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

First, Watson needs to hope the grand jury declines to indict him.  Somewhat likely as I doubt there is forensic, video evidence, of eyewitness testimony to the alleged sexual assaults.

Next, Watson would need to settle his lawsuits.  Assuming he’s not indicted that could possibly happen by mid April on the assumption his accusers will be motivated to reach a financial settlement seeing he won’t be charged criminally.

After that, the Eagles would need an indication from the NFL Office on the length of a suspension.  Without criminal liability but settling lawsuits likely means Watson would get a 6-8 game suspension.

Finally, Watson would need to waive his No-trade clause to Philly.  As long as MIA is in, that’s where Watson will go.  If MIA drops out I suspect Watson would expand his list to New Orleans or Carolina.  Very doubtful he waives it for Philly.

Lastly, Watson will have to have matured enough to understand he doesn’t have the pull of an NBA player and try to dictate head coach, GM, and executive hires.  Very doubtful that will happen.

All in all, I’d put the odds of Deshaun Watson to Philly at about 40:1

Already spoke to off the field.

MIA is reportedly out. NO does not have the cap space to even sign Minshew.

CAR? okay, fine. It's between us and CAR for his no-trade clause, so be it.

8 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

First, Watson needs to hope the grand jury declines to indict him.  Somewhat likely as I doubt there is forensic, video evidence, of eyewitness testimony to the alleged sexual assaults.

Next, Watson would need to settle his lawsuits.  Assuming he’s not indicted that could possibly happen by mid April on the assumption his accusers will be motivated to reach a financial settlement seeing he won’t be charged criminally.

After that, the Eagles would need an indication from the NFL Office on the length of a suspension.  Without criminal liability but settling lawsuits likely means Watson would get a 6-8 game suspension.

Finally, Watson would need to waive his No-trade clause to Philly.  As long as MIA is in, that’s where Watson will go.  If MIA drops out I suspect Watson would expand his list to New Orleans or Carolina.  Very doubtful he waives it for Philly.

Lastly, Watson will have to have matured enough to understand he doesn’t have the pull of an NBA player and try to dictate head coach, GM, and executive hires.  Very doubtful that will happen.

All in all, I’d put the odds of Deshaun Watson to Philly at about 40:1

I've seen TATE flip about people with less issues than Watson potentially coming to the Eagles. The last thing they need is a guy like that who also thinks he's King James building a team.

17 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Already spoke to off the field.

MIA is reportedly out. NO does not have the cap space to even sign Minshew.

CAR? okay, fine. It's between us and CAR for his no-trade clause, so be it.

Who’s to say Watson wouldn’t rather go to DEN, PIT, or LV?  You’re assuming Watson wants to come here because the Eagles have 1st round draft capital to give to the Texans?  He doesn’t give a crap about that.  The Texans would, but Watson doesn’t 

27 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Who’s to say Watson wouldn’t rather go to DEN, PIT, or LV?  You’re assuming Watson wants to come here because the Eagles have 1st round draft capital to give to the Texans?  He doesn’t give a crap about that.  The Texans would, but Watson doesn’t 

I never said he wants to come here above everyone else you mentioned. I don't know if he would, but I want us to do everything we can to make it happen, the rest is up to him.

Cowboys were destined to lose when they got vander esch name wrong on his jersey

 

 

Make it happen Howie.

6 hours ago, tuffstuff07 said:

As bad as it feels we lost in a game we weren't expected to win Dallas with all that offense and how much better of a team they were scored two more points than us 

Not only that but Jalen was our Youngest QB ever in a Playoff Game.  Sirianni was in his first playoff as a coach.  Everyone said we would lose before the game.   Dallas was the #3 Seed.  They were at the home.  49ers were the Wild Card.   We were on the road, it was an uphill battle but we got away from what got us there.  We should of ran the ball more like 49ers did on Dallas (Over 160 yards rushing, Miles only had like 4 carries at half).  Also we should of started on Offense to establish the run, I can't believe we deferred to Brady in his house.    I'm not shocked we lost to Brady this time but I'm surprised we abandon the run so quickly when that's why we were successful.  We looked like a young team out there way to many mistakes.  The fact is we aren't in some long playoff drought.  You have to build on this year.  

10 hours ago, twofattires said:

Have a look at this Reddit thread. A lot of similarities in all the allegations painting Watson in a very disturbing light. More than enough for me to want nothing to do with him.

If course there will be similarities when they all have the same lawyer. But if that stuff is true.................don't want