1 hour ago, Ipiggles said:

Once they called the QB draw, they were not winning that game anyway. He compounded that play call mistake with a mistake of his own, of not giving the ball to the ref to spot, instead he handed it to his center. 

But they were not winning anyway. 

Playing better before that 1 play might’ve helped too.

 

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Oh yea, but that's Reagor...do we want to judge Moorehead's coaching on Reagor's laziness?  That was one of the complaints on him in college and still is.  I'm one of the lone guys pulling for Reagor but it's not happening here.  He's a disaster.  He's gotta go.

We didn't get to see any other young WR besides Watkins to see how they progressed.  

One of the reasons we retained Moorehead is that he knew Reagor since he was kid and thus could reach him.

4 minutes ago, Shakenbake36 said:

I can certainly live with Hurts another year but they have to evolve the playcalling and force him to make more NFL throws. It can’t be all laterals and screens. Smith, Watkins and Goedert are all guys that win routes fairly often but getting them the ball when they do is sporadic at best. I think they do need one more WR or TE playmaker and at that point it would be hard to let Hurts keep running HS QB plays. 

Nope. Hurts isn’t it. Time to move on

8 minutes ago, Shakenbake36 said:

I can certainly live with Hurts another year but they have to evolve the playcalling and force him to make more NFL throws.

You can not force him to do things he does not have the physical skills to do.

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The delusions the people have about the state of this team to think trading for Carr makes them contenders. 

No one said that.  Not one person. 

6 minutes ago, Shakenbake36 said:

I can certainly live with Hurts another year but they have to evolve the playcalling and force him to make more NFL throws. It can’t be all laterals and screens. Smith, Watkins and Goedert are all guys that win routes fairly often but getting them the ball when they do is sporadic at best. I think they do need one more WR or TE playmaker and at that point it would be hard to let Hurts keep running HS QB plays. 

The more nfl throws you ask him to make, the worse it gets.  The offense is serviceable against an average defense in a low scoring game when our OL and running game take over.

When you ask Hurts to make NFL throws (beginning of the season, every game we face an early deficit), it’s an unmitigated disaster.  Every time.

The entire key to our offense through ALL of the success we did have in 2021 was to not ask Hurts to make NFL throws.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I said it at the end of the regular season and I’ll say it again…

The Hurts humpers are mostly harmless, irrational Eagles fans who just want him to do well.  The national media has some sort of agenda with Hurts and doesn’t give 2 craps if the Eagles win.  So I don’t really care that those groups call Hurts special and deserving of patience.  
 

But it’s very concerning that the Eagles brass actually bought into this.  The damn Giants coach called our offense a gimmick and every DC just makes their entire game plan to dare us to let our QB throw the football.  Imagine that.  And Eagles brass actually gave this guy a full season and a half as the starter.  Forget 2022…I think it’s a massive indictment of their judgement that he has already started for this long.  
 

What confidence does that give you when they select the next qb?

Please elaborate?

Yes.  It is a narrow offense that works for Hurts.  It was effective and got them to the playoffs.  Do you really think that this is what they want the team to be going forward?

16 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

That's not at all what his words said? Why are you interpreting it that way?

Mis read it. 

 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Granny might die of old age in that cage. 

Howie has pulled off some miracle trades but this one might be a tough one. If he gets anything like a 5th or 6th round pick I will be impressed. More then likely Reagor will have to be cut if anything. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

The more nfl throws you ask him to make, the worse it gets.  The offense is serviceable against a horrific defense in a low scoring game when our OL and running game take over.

When you ask Hurts to make NFL throws (beginning of the season, every game we face an early deficit), it’s an unmitigated disaster.  Every time.

The entire key to our offense through ALL of the success we did have in 2021 was to not ask Hurts to make NFL throws.

We won in spite of Hurts.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The delusions the people have about the state of this team to think trading for Carr makes them contenders. 

You mean the state of the QB situation,  or everything else?  A good QB improves.this offense immensely- we might even be able to throw for Redzone touchdowns, imagine that.   No doubt the D needs help as much as the offense needs a QB.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

The delusions the people have about the state of this team to think trading for Carr makes them contenders. 

You’re going to have to quote the source for this statement.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Please elaborate?

Yes.  It is a narrow offense that works for Hurts.  It was effective and got them to the playoffs.  Do you really think that this is what they want the team to be going forward?

Hurts can’t throw the football.  From drafting him, to handing him the unearned starting job in year 2, to allowing him to keep it throughout the year gives me zero confidence in whatever it is they want the team to be going forward.

Just now, DeathByEagle said:

Granny might die of old age in that cage. 

Howie has pulled off some miracle trades but this one might be a tough one. If he gets anything like a 5th or 6th round pick I will be impressed. More then likely Reagor will have to be cut if anything. 

There's no market for Reagor, and his salary is guaranteed.  They only chance would be to trade him for someone else's garbage first round pick.   The Raiders might have traded Arnette, but they've already cut him.  

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Likely correct.   But, he's a rental.  So, that's where the negotiation starts for me.  In a comp pick, you'll get a 3rd for him.  I'll give you a mid-3rd a full year sooner.  

 

Carr's age changes the calculation... Wentz was younger and not a rental.  (and it seems they overpaid).  I could throw in a conditional 2 for 2023 if it helps them sleep at night.   Eagles would need to make it to the conference championship game to earn it.

I think for the Eagles, they view him as he would be a rental.

I think the market will actually have about 3-5 teams that could view him as a long term starter type quarterback. Team like the Steelers i could see that. A team like the browns if they move on from baker, i could see them thinking that. Broncos although hard to see them trading him inside the division. A teams like Washington i could see them thinking he’s a long term starter. Carolina if they can dump off darnold somehow i could see them thinking he can be a long term starter. His contract currently isn’t long term but I believe whoever trades forum is going to give him an extension

I think that’s where the problem is going to come in trade negotiations. I think the market is going to drive his price up higher than what you or I would like for a rental 

But i also think Jimmy G market is also likely to see some desperate team overpay for him

 

50 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

I would 100% take Derek Carr on this team. He'd immediately open massive parts of a playbook that will always be inaccessible to Hurts... which are:

1. Throws over the middle of the field.
2. Throws down the field.
3. Back shoulder throws.
4. Tight window throws.
5. Throws to the left side of the field.
6. Anticipation/timing throws.

Yeah, you'd have to live with the inconsistency every few games but he'd immediately make this team, with 3 incoming first round picks, a team that would challenge for the NFC title.

{sarcasm} Sorry but Hurts has mastered this it's, just that his receivers don't know that he's doing it

52 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You guys get hit with snow this weekend? We got blasted with 2.5 feet overnight, and it’s gonna keep falling all day…my backyard this morning:

Yikes, we got about 10 inches so far

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think for the Eagles views he would be a rental.

I think the market will actually have about 3-5 teams that could view him as a long term starter type quarterback. Team like the Steelers i could see that. A team like the browns if they move on from baker, i could see them thinking that. Broncos although hard to see them trading him inside the division. A teams like Washington i could see them thinking he’s a long term starter. Carolina if they can dump off darnold somehow i could see them thinking he can be a long term starter. 

I think that’s where the problem is going to come in trade negotiations. I think the market is going to drive his price up higher than what you or I would like. 

But i also think Jimmy G market is also likely to see some desperate team overpay for him

Then I pass on that deal.   I can ride with Minshew.  But, I think Carr is better than Minshew and that helps the offense actually get properly installed and run it properly.  Minshew likely can to a certain extent, but not as much.

3 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

When you ask Hurts to make NFL throws (beginning of the season, every game we face an early deficit), it’s an unmitigated disaster.  Every time.

The entire key to our offense through ALL of the success we did have in 2021 was to not ask Hurts to make NFL throws.

I was okay with this for most of the season while trying to give him a chance to develop.

The chance was given. He has barely progressed. Unfortunately, we all know this to be true. He’s not the answer. Anyone still arguing for Hurts is not living in reality.

 

56 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You guys get hit with snow this weekend? We got blasted with 2.5 feet overnight, and it’s gonna keep falling all day…my backyard this morning:

Not a drop in South Jersey. wish we had though. I was born in Michigan, lived in Colorado and Wyoming as well and love the snow. id take snow everyday but of course Jersey sucks for that. 

Enjoy it!!!

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Then I pass on that deal.   I can ride with Minshew.  But, I think Carr is better than Minshew and that helps the offense actually get properly installed and run it properly.  Minshew likely can to a certain extent, but not as much.

The goal is to avoid doing what Indy did with Wentz.  They overestimated the overall talent of their team and thought they’d contend simply by adding a decent, reasonably young qb.  Then they realized their team wasn’t good enough, their new qb wasn’t good enough, and torched 1st and 3rd round picks in the process.

We aren’t contending for anything with Carr under center.  So the question is…what are we willing to give up for a temporary qb solution that restores a more functional offense and helps the WRs to develop?  And does our FO have enough insight to realize that it’s a temporary solution and they need to keep looking?  I agree that Carr > Minshew, but is Minshew good enough to fill that aforementioned role?