2 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Yes but not necessarily. I think Dickerson offered the versatility to be the team's center or right guard of the future. 

I honestly don't see Brooks or Johnson on the team for more than another year.

With the new extension to Johnson, I think Johnson is a lock for next year, minimum through June 1.

13 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Kinda similar resume to Carl Lawson over the past three years, including injury concerns. He got 3-$45M. 

Just because another team overpays doesn't mean that this team needs to follow suit.   I know that's how the NFL works, but at the same time, the follow the overpayment strategy usually causes struggles for most of them. 

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just because another team overpays doesn't mean that this team needs to follow suit.   I know that's how the NFL works, but at the same time, the follow the overpayment strategy usually causes struggles for most of them. 

You’re not gonna sign too many players with that way of thinking. 

39 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Here's the full play of the INT in the Oklahoma/Nebraska game.  OU/NU just looks the way college football should.

Oh, and Gus Johnson just brings so much energy. 

 

 

 

Wow that's insane

I guess Eagles didn’t elevate anyone again 

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I guess Eagles didn’t elevate anyone again 

I thought I heard Nick say they can only do so a certain amount of times a year. Does anyone know how many?

39 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re not gonna sign too many players with that way of thinking. 

The Steelers and Packers have had top 10 rosters with HOF QBs the past 10 years...and have no SB wins to show for it due to this mentality. 

There was a 2nd test chat on youtube, yesterday. It has 11 views. 4 likes. 3 comments. We have over 1400 members on this EMB.

Lets pad those stats guys. This could be something very helpful for the sustainability of the EMB, and it costs us nothing. Even if you dont go let that video play for a half hour, which I am doing in a separate tab while I type this, leaving a like and a comment will take about 5 seconds. We need to do our part to help boost the popularity of these videos so youtube begins recommending them. The more they get recommended, the more money they can make for the boards. It can also help drive traffic to our site as well. So also more from adsense, and possibly the affiliate links too. 

6 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

I thought I heard Nick say they can only do so a certain amount of times a year. Does anyone know how many?

I think it’s just twice, unless it’s a covid elevation which I think are unlimited 

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re not gonna sign too many players with that way of thinking. 

I'm also not going to overpay for poor performance.   There's a very narrow line to walk between being aggressive, acting early and getting a player locked up... and being careless, acting too early and overpaying for an underachieving player.   The same is true of extending older veterans like Brooks and Johnson years before their contracts are due to expire.   Sure, you could be getting a bargain, or you could end up locking yourself into a player with diminishing returns at a premium price.  

As always the devil is in the details... so it comes down to how it all works out.   The 'numbers' first hit me as 'high'... and using Lawson, who has been more productive (with one extra year) is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.  Lawson was on the market, where prices are always higher than they should be.  Sweat is not yet on the market, so his price should be lower than 'market value', as he is getting security, while the team is taking more risk early in the process.  

If PFT is correct ( 🤷‍♂️ ) these are the particulars:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/18/inside-the-josh-sweat-extension/

 

So, if I understand it... he gets roughly $14M in guarantees at signing.  And if the worst case scenario comes around, and they wanted to cut him they'd be on the hook for that remaining hit (about $10.5M for 2022).  That would be very expensive, compared to letting this current contract play out and making a decision at the end of the year.     

If they decided to keep him around for 2022, $9M of the 2023 base salary becomes guaranteed.  And if they wanted to move on after that they'd have gotten one extra season from him at an additional cost of $23M.   

If he finishes the 2023 season on the roster, it would drop the yearly cost to only $13M ($14M guaranteed at signing, plus $9M in 2022, plus $3M in 2023) for the 2 'extra' years.  That's a decent price, about $2M under Lawson's average cap hit.  The last year bumps it a bit higher... with a hit at $13.75M.    

 

So, for this to be a 'good deal' for the Eagles, Sweat has to be a productive player for 2022 and 2023.  Not a tremendous risk, but with a guy who has a knee injury history, it gives me pause.  I'm not a doctor, but the recent history of this team makes me concerned. 

 

It's not a bad contract, but its not a great deal either.  I hope he lives up to it.  But, if his production doesn't increase, this is an overpay and overvaluation of the current players on the roster... something Howie has been very guilty of in recent years.  I'm just gun shy about Howie being the one making these decisions.  Not a bad one, but not a particularly great one either.

5 hours ago, mattwill said:

The new EMB ... just like the old EMB.

leave us

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oft injured and minimal production.  No thanks.  

Everybody on our team is oft-injured. Barnett has been ok to solid. Not great, but still a young player. It would depend on what the going rate is, did  Sweat earn that paycheck ?

46 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Wow that's insane

Phenomenal catch … dumb play. 4th & 18

1 hour ago, bpac55 said:

Here's the full play of the INT in the Oklahoma/Nebraska game.  OU/NU just looks the way college football should.

Oh, and Gus Johnson just brings so much energy. 

 

 

 

It’s about football intelligence and having your head in the game at all times.  Simple PD will give the team the ball at the 23-yard line, and his play just pinned the team back to its own 2-yard line with still over 8 minutes to go?

Probably wouldn’t hurt them against Nebraska, but he should be doing 20 pushups after the game for being a selfish dunce.

16 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There was a 2nd test chat on youtube, yesterday. It has 11 views. 4 likes. 3 comments. We have over 1400 members on this EMB.

Lets pad those stats guys. This could be something very helpful for the sustainability of the EMB, and it costs us nothing. Even if you dont go let that video play for a half hour, which I am doing in a separate tab while I type this, leaving a like and a comment will take about 5 seconds. We need to do our part to help boost the popularity of these videos so youtube begins recommending them. The more they get recommended, the more money they can make for the boards. It can also help drive traffic to our site as well. So also more from adsense, and possibly the affiliate links too. 

I'll run it in a separate tab a bunch of times this weekend

 

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm also not going to overpay for poor performance.   There's a very narrow line to walk between being aggressive, acting early and getting a player locked up... and being careless, acting too early and overpaying for an underachieving player.   The same is true of extending older veterans like Brooks and Johnson years before their contracts are due to expire.   Sure, you could be getting a bargain, or you could end up locking yourself into a player with diminishing returns at a premium price.  

As always the devil is in the details... so it comes down to how it all works out.   The 'numbers' first hit me as 'high'... and using Lawson, who has been more productive (with one extra year) is a bit of an apples to oranges comparison.  Lawson was on the market, where prices are always higher than they should be.  Sweat is not yet on the market, so his price should be lower than 'market value', as he is getting security, while the team is taking more risk early in the process.  

If PFT is correct ( 🤷‍♂️ ) these are the particulars:
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2021/09/18/inside-the-josh-sweat-extension/

 

So, if I understand it... he gets roughly $14M in guarantees at signing.  And if the worst case scenario comes around, and they wanted to cut him they'd be on the hook for that remaining hit (about $10.5M for 2022).  That would be very expensive, compared to letting this current contract play out and making a decision at the end of the year.     

If they decided to keep him around for 2022, $9M of the 2023 base salary becomes guaranteed.  And if they wanted to move on after that they'd have gotten one extra season from him at an additional cost of $23M.   

If he finishes the 2023 season on the roster, it would drop the yearly cost to only $13M ($14M guaranteed at signing, plus $9M in 2022, plus $3M in 2023) for the 2 'extra' years.  That's a decent price, about $2M under Lawson's average cap hit.  The last year bumps it a bit higher... with a hit at $13.75M.    

 

So, for this to be a 'good deal' for the Eagles, Sweat has to be a productive player for 2022 and 2023.  Not a tremendous risk, but with a guy who has a knee injury history, it gives me pause.  I'm not a doctor, but the recent history of this team makes me concerned. 

 

It's not a bad contract, but its not a great deal either.  I hope he lives up to it.  But, if his production doesn't increase, this is an overpay and overvaluation of the current players on the roster... something Howie has been very guilty of in recent years.  I'm just gun shy about Howie being the one making these decisions.  Not a bad one, but not a particularly great one either.

You’re not going to overpay for poor performance? Well if that ain’t moving the goalposts posts dramatically. 

25 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

There was a 2nd test chat on youtube, yesterday. It has 11 views. 4 likes. 3 comments. We have over 1400 members on this EMB.

Lets pad those stats guys. This could be something very helpful for the sustainability of the EMB, and it costs us nothing. Even if you dont go let that video play for a half hour, which I am doing in a separate tab while I type this, leaving a like and a comment will take about 5 seconds. We need to do our part to help boost the popularity of these videos so youtube begins recommending them. The more they get recommended, the more money they can make for the boards. It can also help drive traffic to our site as well. So also more from adsense, and possibly the affiliate links too. 

Sure. Can you share a link to the vid?

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Sure. Can you share a link to the vid?

 

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

To an extent they are huge steals but they are also 2 tremendous risks.   Just playing devil's advocate to Banner here because I'm a huge fan of both players.

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

You’re not going to overpay for poor performance? Well if that ain’t moving the goalposts posts dramatically. 

Not really... Josh Sweat hasn't proven to be worth $13M/year... yet.  In order for him to do that he needs to improve his performance.  So... that tracks exactly with my initial statement about this being early for him to get this extension.  He needs to raise his game to earn the contract extension he just got. 

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

One of them has more risk than the other, IMO.  Not sure I'd call them absolute steals.  Mailata... yes.  Sweat... not yet.  It might turn out that way eventually.

I thought Mailata was the safest of the 4 (Mailata, Sweat, Goedert, Barnett) to re-sign provided the medical team signed off on his back.

Sweat was the youngest and rarest of the remaining 3. Goedert was the safest remaining but TE < DE. Tough decision.

Have no idea what they do with Barnett. Not great practice to let a 26-year-old (in '22) above average DE go for nothing.

10 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not really... Josh Sweat hasn't proven to be worth $13M/year... yet.  In order for him to do that he needs to improve his performance.  So... that tracks exactly with my initial statement about this being early for him to get this extension.  He needs to raise his game to earn the contract extension he just got. 

And when/if he does, he will cost a lot more. That’s how it works. 

You can practice patience and prudence all day from a keyboard, but it changes dramatically when you have to sign guys to deals, and it’s your livelihood on the line. 

Gators playing bama tough