Drive Stats from Football Outsiders.

Offense ranking per drive:

• Yards – 8
• Points – 18
• 3&Outs – 7
• TD/RZ – T7

Defense ranking per drive:

• Yards – 5
• Points – 4
• 3&Outs – 3
• TD/RZ – T10

Starting LOS ranking:

• Offense – 18
• Defense – 1

41 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

At what point does Minshew overtake Joe Flacco on the depth chart?  If Hurts were to get injured and miss games, is there really much purpose in Flacco as the starter?  I think Minshew is a journeyman and Flacco basically washed -- so neither option is appealing, but I can't see the upside in Flacco playing ahead of Minshew

I said this the other day.  Wish they'd trade Flacco ( but nobody would take him) so Minshew is next in line to play.

Just now, 315Eagles said:

I said this the other day.  Wish they'd trade Flacco ( but nobody would take him) so Minshew is next in line to play.

Flacco is your qb if you have to play one for a game or two due to your QB1 getting injured. If it's the rest of the season, my guess is you play Minshew to see what you can do with him. 

Four QBs went down this past week, none of them running QBs. It’s not proof but it suggests something I have long believed - that serious injuries to QBs are more frequent in the pocket, where they are upright stationary targets, than when running the ball, Wentz’s injury against the Rams notwithstanding.

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

But players rarely get the luxury of that much time to sit and marinate. "That’s the thing about it in today’s game,” Pederson says. "You don’t have three years. You’ve got to coach them up to play right now.”

This will all come down to Howie and Lurie's philosophy and direction.  Will they see enough this season to commit to Hurts for 3 years?

I'm against trading for a QB in their mid 30s or later; if they feel Hurts isn't a franchise QB I'd still prefer draft and develop one.

53 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So using the whole picture to explain why he’s better isn’t a convincing argument? That makes no sense. 

Im not convinced he’s all that much better than Minshew, but it’s ridiculous to leave out a significant part of his game from the evaluation. 

I am not leaving out his running. 

I am saying that if you need to include his running to say he's a better quarterback than a third stringer, it's not much of an endorsement for Hurts.

How is this that confusing for people?

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Four QBs went down this past week, none of them running QBs. It’s not proof but it suggests something I have long believed - that serious injuries to QBs are more frequent in the pocket, where they are upright stationary targets, than when running the ball, Wentz’s injury against the Rams notwithstanding.

Tyrod Taylor was hurt ( pulled up lame ) running outside the pocket.

Carson Wentz was running when the pocket broke down, was outside the pocket.

Andy Dalton was a non contact injury while running out of bounds.

Tua was hurt throwing a pass, but he had no chance as the rush was on him before he finished a 3 step drop.

So 3 of the 4 injuries happened outside the pocket, and 2 of them were non contact, because the QB was "RUNNING"

 

4 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Four QBs went down this past week, none of them running QBs. It’s not proof but it suggests something I have long believed - that serious injuries to QBs are more frequent in the pocket, where they are upright stationary targets, than when running the ball, Wentz’s injury against the Rams notwithstanding.

This is why I love ya. I wouldn’t have ever noticed that. Very interesting. 

13 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Four QBs went down this past week, none of them running QBs. It’s not proof but it suggests something I have long believed - that serious injuries to QBs are more frequent in the pocket, where they are upright stationary targets, than when running the ball, Wentz’s injury against the Rams notwithstanding.

Yup Cunningham tore his knee up stationary in the pocket.

I don't think a QB should  drop his shoulder and dive head first into a defender when ever he takes off but the thought that qbs on the run lead to more Injury is misnomer.

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I am not leaving out his running. 

I am saying that if you need to include his running to say he's a better quarterback than a third stringer, it's not much of an endorsement for Hurts.

How is this that confusing for people?

Why do people not get it.  We are talking about a Quarterback, not the other position, Running Back.

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

This is why I love ya. I wouldn’t have ever noticed that. Very interesting. 

Look at my post right above yours.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why do people not get it.  We are talking about a Quarterback, not the other position, Running Back.

Look at my post right above yours.

By that argument, Kyler Murray was on par with league MVP Aaron Rodgers last year because while he did score less TDs, he had about 700 more total yards, which we can't ignore.

Kyler was the second best QB in football last year, apparently.

Tua playing this weekend?  Come on Vegas

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Tyrod Taylor was hurt ( pulled up lame ) running outside the pocket.

Carson Wentz was running when the pocket broke down, was outside the pocket.

Andy Dalton was a non contact injury while running out of bounds.

Tua was hurt throwing a pass, but he had no chance as the rush was on him before he finished a 3 step drop.

So 3 of the 4 injuries happened outside the pocket, and 2 of them were non contact, because the QB was "RUNNING"

 

8 minutes ago, Utebird said:

but the thought that qbs on the run lead to more I jury is misnomer.

Look at my post just up the page, 3 of the 4 QB's hurt last week were outside the pocket, running, and two of them were non contact injuries, while running.

Just now, downundermike said:

Look at my post just up the page, 3 of the 4 QB's hurt last week were outside the pocket, running, and two of them were non contact injuries, while running.

Wentz was damn lucky his ankle wasn't crushed.  I remember him trying to avoid a sack a few years ago and I thought for sure his arm was going to be broke.  One of his issues is he doesn't seem to know how to take the fall (although I actually thought what Donald did was a bit dirty, tbh)

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Why do people not get it.  We are talking about a Quarterback, not the other position, Running Back.

Look at my post right above yours.

Just when I thought I learned something new. Nicely done. 

You rabid anti-Hurts guys are insufferable. I'm in the wait and see camp, but you guys are just as bad the other way as the Hurts Squirters or whatever they're called. 

5 minutes ago, Swoop said:

By that argument, Kyler Murray was on par with league MVP Aaron Rodgers last year because while he did score less TDs, he had about 700 more total yards, which we can't ignore.

Kyler was the second best QB in football last year, apparently.

Oh for sure.  The fact that Aaron Rodgers had 14 more total TD's does not matter, scoring points in the NFL is not the goal.

Refresh my memory, was the passing QB the MVP and in the NFC title game ??

Just now, Alphagrand said:

Wentz was damn lucky his ankle wasn't crushed.  I remember him trying to avoid a sack a few years ago and I thought for sure his arm was going to be broke.  One of his issues is he doesn't seem to know how to take the fall (although I actually thought what Donald did was a bit dirty, tbh)

Never heard of a guy spraining both ankles though. Seems like kind of a weird injury 

Just now, downundermike said:

Oh for sure.  The fact that Aaron Rodgers had 14 more total TD's does not matter, scoring points in the NFL is not the goal.

Refresh my memory, was the passing QB the MVP and in the NFC title game ??

Sure was. 

But Kyler had more yards, though. He finished 8-8, but more yards.

Yards.

More of them. 

He had them. 

Yards, that is. 

As in, total yards.

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You rabid anti-Hurts guys are insufferable. I'm in the wait and see camp, but you guys are just as bad the other way as the Hurts Squirters or whatever they're called. 

Don't go all RTK on us.  Talking about his deficiencies is warranted.  It is not hate, there is a ton of holes in his game right now.  He needs to drastically improve to be the future.

And if you think this week is bad, imagine what next week will be like if he gets wrecked by the Cowboys again.

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

Never heard of a guy spraining both ankles though. Seems like kind of a weird injury 

It's Wentz. Nothing will surprise me with that guy.

Just now, downundermike said:

Don't go all RTK on us.  Talking about his deficiencies is warranted.  It is not hate, there is a ton of holes in his game right now.  He needs to drastically improve to be the future.

And if you think this week is bad, imagine what next week will be like if he gets wrecked by the Cowboys again.

Discussing his deficiencies is fine, there's plenty of discussion around it. You guys go so overboard in blasting him that it limits any potential discussion. Much like RTK the other way. 

41 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yes and no.  Sure, you can protect the same player every week, but you can only protect 4 each week.

I thought that was commonly knowledge. 

6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

You rabid anti-Hurts guys are insufferable. I'm in the wait and see camp, but you guys are just as bad the other way as the Hurts Squirters or whatever they're called.