1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Some of us knew that.  Others have forgiven and absolved Howie of any responsibility.  When starting over, many teams start with a fresh slate and can the guy ultimately responsible for the crap fest.   I could have respected that.  Letting Howie continue to drive the ship over the water falls is not what should have happened.   

And when I look at the preseason predictions, there was a good many delusional folks who saw double digit wins and a playoff birth.   The noise got louder after a win against a dreadful team in Atlanta.   This game should put that to rest.

This roster for all the band aids is not good, and the glory of it all is the idiot in charge has made the cap position significantly worse by doing it.  Yes we want to compete, but not at the detriment to the future.  The Barnett cap move is brain dead on a brain dead player.

Someone in the Eagles org needs to make Barnett accountable for his stupidity. Trade him to Jacksonville/wherever, deactivate him. Make him watch his team mates suffer because he just can't stop being a moron. Maybe he will finally learn.

50 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

How did we get this schedule when we absolutely sucked last year?

Would have played the AFC west regardless of our record last  year.

6 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Agree with most but how much morr can they simplify it for Hurts? We had zero motion pre snap…

By simply handing the ball off. 

49 minutes ago, RLC said:

Hurts playing like a...backup QB.

He played worse than a back-up quarterback. He played like a guy that doesn't belong in the NFL.  This is going to be a loooong year. Hopefully at the end of it there will be changes made.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

By simply handing the ball off. 

Wow, for once we agree on something. Siri either doesn't know his arse from a hole in the ground or is completely delusional.  

Dickerson had no TC and no pre-season. The kid is playing like it; but it doesn't mean he sucks.  The issue is playing him when he is so undercooked when you have Herbig as a backup.

2 minutes ago, Uscg-green said:

If you can keep Hurts in the pocket and take away his scramble we lose. He isn't a pocket passer. 

I agree. And on top of that being totally one dimensional with no threat of a run game is a recipe for disaster.

1 minute ago, greend said:

He played worse than a back-up quarterback. He played like a guy that doesn't belong in the NFL.  This is going to be a loooong year. Hopefully at the end of it there will be changes made.

Made this reference before, he’s a terrific fantasy player. Look at the boxscore afterwards and you’d think he played well. 

Sanders, the best player on offense, had two carries. That’s just inexcusable. 

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ive been going back and forth in my head on this.  Im hoping its a learning opportunity for Sirianni

I think hes in a weird spot where he knows Hurts cant run his offense, but knows his offense is good and works

So his dilemma, as a first year coach:

--Do whatever he needs to do to make Hurts successful?   Meaning run basically an RPO offense.   Easier said that done when hes getting his first and maybe only shot to be HC and playcaller.  

--Run his own offense and let Hurts sink or swim.  We have to figure that out, right?  Should we gear everything towards Hurts?? Doesnt seem right since the open secret is that he's not the guy long term.

 

Its easy to say, option 1 is best for the team.  But is it, really?

How can we say he knows his offense works when we have three touchdowns in the past 8 quarters? He himself said you think of the players first when devising a scheme. Did it look that way last night?

And besides, asking him to run the ball more and to incorporate a few more QB run plays isn’t asking him to rip his offense up. 

1 hour ago, jwill2420 said:

It seem like the plan is put Jalen in shotgun and give him one read then run and make a play. 

He did say he was building the offense around the players strengths.

5 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Dickerson had no TC and no pre-season. The kid is playing like it; but it doesn't mean he sucks.  The issue is playing him when he is so undercooked when you have Herbig as a backup.

He needs to play. No reason to sit him. 

12 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Ive been going back and forth in my head on this.  Im hoping its a learning opportunity for Sirianni

I think hes in a weird spot where he knows Hurts cant run his offense, but knows his offense is good and works

So his dilemma, as a first year coach:

--Do whatever he needs to do to make Hurts successful?   Meaning run basically an RPO offense.   Easier said that done when hes getting his first and maybe only shot to be HC and playcaller.  

--Run his own offense and let Hurts sink or swim.  We have to figure that out, right?  Should we gear everything towards Hurts?? Doesnt seem right since the open secret is that he's not the guy long term.

 

Its easy to say, option 1 is best for the team.  But is it, really?

I had a similar line of thinking. Do we really want to run the kind of offense that would best suit Hurts?  He’s not skilled reading the field and making good decisions. He sees things late and throws behind receivers. He takes off and extends plays that are meant to happen quickly. Just take that play where he ran around in his own endzone for a while as an example.  And he stares down his target to the point where the defense sits back and reads him. 

if he really is just is a one read QB, do you really want an offense designed for that?

it felt like there were plenty of plays to be made on the field last night…maybe what we really need is to tell defenses to slow down a little, stop pressuring our QB so much and to let our WRs have a bit more space. 

Not our most glaring issue, but it will be by end of season (again) a few thoughts on the Oline injuries and why we are so plagued with them, likely a combo of the below?

 

1) We keep relying on guys who get injured to stay healthy. Examples : Peters like 5 consecutive years, Brooks now on his 4th consecutive year. How long before Lane gets injured again? Seamulo was injured last year, and now again. And then we draft Dickerson- a guy with a massive injury past, he is a ticking timebomb on this team. 

2) Lack of running the ball :  Running the ball actually shortens the game, and the time Olineman are actually engaged in blocking is less than on pass plays, especially when your Running QB starts extending the play, and also Screens. SO by running the ball you are reducing the time lineman are actually engaged and thus reducing the risk to injury overall. SO play calling is definately a part of it. Why do we always have a coach who doesn't like to run the ball?  That has to be the FO: Howie and Lurie hiring guys who dont run the ball. 

3) Could stoutland have anything to do with it? Is it the way we teaches? Or Blocking techniques?  Pushes the guys too hard? Our excersise Program too rigorous?

4) Just bad luck? Well I really dont believe in bad luck, I believe Luck is when preparation and opportunity meet, and bad luck is a lack of thorough preparation.... 

That being said, I do think it's time to blow up the Oline in the offseason. You keep Dillard, Mailata, Herbig and I guess Dickerson, even though I doubt he stays healthy. And add pieces in the draft and FA.  I just dont trust Howie, like at all. 

Just now, ManuManu said:

He needs to play. No reason to sit him. 

I thought that, but he doesn't look ready.  He looks rusty as hell and it's affecting his team. 

6 minutes ago, greend said:

He played worse than a back-up quarterback. He played like a guy that doesn't belong in the NFL.  This is going to be a loooong year. Hopefully at the end of it there will be changes made.

I mean eventually something has to give with Howie. As much as Lurie loves him, at what point do the fans start turning their vocal hate into tangible hate and less money is being made? 

This is a different generation, games are stupid expensive to go to now and the NFL product as a whole sucks right now not even accounting for how bad the team is. I think the days of them selling out regardless of how bad they are will probably come to an end pretty soon, people can't afford it.

If I'm lurie I wouldn't wait to find out, when they finish with another top 5 pick I would fire Howie the second the clock hits zero at the last game. 

9 minutes ago, greend said:

He played worse than a back-up quarterback. He played like a guy that doesn't belong in the NFL.  This is going to be a loooong year. Hopefully at the end of it there will be changes made.

This is part of a necessary process brought on by the asinine drafting of Hurts in the first place. 

6 minutes ago, greend said:

He played worse than a back-up quarterback. He played like a guy that doesn't belong in the NFL.  This is going to be a loooong year. Hopefully at the end of it there will be changes made.

To be candid, Hurts looked like a college QB playing against professionals last night.  The true test for Sirianni might be whether he can look Howie and Lurie in the eyes at some point this season and say "I can’t work with this”.

I predicted the Eagles would be 2-7 through the first nine games so I’m not as shocked/disappointed as some.  A lot of draft picks out there last night — Smith needs to be a lot better, Dickerson needs to improve each week, Milton Williams was invisible …… trial by fire for these young guys

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Not our most glaring issue, but it will be by end of season (again) a few thoughts on the Oline injuries and why we are so plagued with them, likely a combo of the below?

 

1) We keep relying on guys who get injured to stay healthy. Examples : Peters like 5 consecutive years, Brooks now on his 4th consecutive year. How long before Lane gets injured again? Seamulo was injured last year, and now again. And then we draft Dickerson- a guy with a massive injury past, he is a ticking timebomb on this team. 

2) Lack of running the ball :  Running the ball actually shortens the game, and the time Olineman are actually engaged in blocking is less than on pass plays, especially when your Running QB starts extending the play, and also Screens. SO by running the ball you are reducing the time lineman are actually engaged and thus reducing the risk to injury overall. SO play calling is definately a part of it. Why do we always have a coach who doesn't like to run the ball?  That has to be the FO: Howie and Lurie hiring guys who dont run the ball. 

3) Could stoutland have anything to do with it? Is it the way we teaches? Or Blocking techniques?  Pushes the guys too hard? Our excersise Program too rigorous?

4) Just bad luck? Well I really dont believe in bad luck, I believe Luck is when preparation and opportunity meet, and bad luck is a lack of thorough preparation.... 

That being said, I do think it's time to blow up the Oline in the offseason. You keep Dillard, Mailata, Herbig and I guess Dickerson, even though I doubt he stays healthy. And add pieces in the draft and FA.  I just dont trust Howie, like at all. 

This is all true and very depressing.

4 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Dickerson had no TC and no pre-season. The kid is playing like it; but it doesn't mean he sucks.  The issue is playing him when he is so undercooked when you have Herbig as a backup.

I keep seeing this argument and I'm just not buying it.  When you don't practice, I'd expect to have some assignment mistakes and such.  Dickerson is getting beat at the point of attack.  He's losing one-on-one battles.  Parsons made him look silly when Dickerson tried to pull and block him.  He's getting beat on basic pass rushes.  

I'm not giving up on him yet and he most likely isn't healthy.  What I DO WANT, is to see some flashes of dominance.  I've said it a few times now but he was supposed to be this potential 1st round OG.  Think somewhere between Will Hernandez and Quinton Nelson would be a reasonable expectation.  Howie HAD to draft him, couldn't pass him up even though there were legit impact players at positions of need sitting there.  

I have high expectations for him just like I do DeVonta Smith.  

Different year, same story.  Eagles draft picks not living up to the hype.

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

I thought that, but he doesn't look ready.  He looks rusty as hell and it's affecting his team. 

Herbig isn’t good either. Dickerson is the future, and we aren’t a playoff team. We need to ride it out. 

Not that we have a choice with Brooks and Seumalo out. 

2 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

This is part of a necessary process brought on by the asinine drafting of Hurts in the first place. 

Yup

Just now, bpac55 said:

I keep seeing this argument and I'm just not buying it.  When you don't practice, I'd expect to have some assignment mistakes and such.  Dickerson is getting beat at the point of attack.  He's losing one-on-one battles.  Parsons made him look silly when Dickerson tried to pull and block him.  He's getting beat on basic pass rushes.  

I'm not giving up on him yet and he most likely isn't healthy.  What I DO WANT, is to see some flashes of dominance.  I've said it a few times now but he was supposed to be this potential 1st round OG.  Think somewhere between Will Hernandez and Quinton Nelson would be a reasonable expectation.  Howie HAD to draft him, couldn't pass him up even though there were legit impact players at positions of need sitting there.  

I have high expectations for him just like I do DeVonta Smith.  

Different year, same story.  Eagles draft picks not living up to the hype.

This makes absolutely no sense. He’s never played at the NFL level and you don’t think practice would help a great deal there? 

Yikes. 

College offense, cheerleader coach. The Eagles are basically Penn State 

6 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I understand and am not trying to make the empathy showed as a negative of the team. But this and BG last week, the team seems to be taking a major psyche hit. This plus losing is something I worried about with Sirianni at the helm. It’s going to take a lot to overcome this and competition isn’t going to cut it. Let’s see how he responds but this can spiral fast. 

Kelce going down would likely kill the season