16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

I didn't really mind the frustration part of it.  What bothered me was he stared down the WR the whole time, yet didn't even see him fall down.  That's not really seeing the field at all.

9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

All aboard the Kurt Couzinzes train - Woot Woot

Aaron Rodgers says hello

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I thought he looked good on the few run plays we had. He certainly looked worse in pass pro. 

He struggled with stunts.  Dillard looked good to me.  I don't think he gave up a pressure.  

Just now, Ipiggles said:

Aaron Rodgers says hello

Not in this simulation we don't get Rodgers. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

He struggled with stunts.  Dillard looked good to me.  I don't think he gave up a pressure.  

He had the hold and pressure allowed on Hurts’ fourth down sack

After the bomb to Lamb, where Wallace was nowhere to be found, the three next longest Cowboy plays were to TEs.

Again, our LBs and Safeties suck.

26 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

 I don't think they were playing that much press coverage.  I also think they often only had 7 in the box.  

They jumped a ton of short routes, especially Diggs.

2 hours ago, Veejer said:

I don't agree...  EVERY head coach who has a young, developing QB has to help that young QB...

It doesn't APPEAR, after seven games that Hurts has a very high ceiling, but this is where we are...  we have no viable alternatives...  so, everyone might as well get used to the fact that Hurst is the guy, and your damn head coach needs to do a far better job...

I think I'm stuck in the middle here - yeah, there are things that the coaching staff needs to do better - mixing in some designed RB runs is just a start.  But at the same time, in real time it appeared that much of the scheming was pretty solid and the QB was just missing all over the place. 

So, does the coach adjust back down for a QB that clearly can't execute even the basics (at least this game)?  And what does that look like?  Do you just take it out of his hands and go 90A% run game?  That won't work either.  Do you bring in your backup and start fresh with him again next week?  I think that just kicks the can down the road.

The alternative is to keep calling plays that gets WRs open and that a QB should be able to execute until you are comfortable that the QB definitely can't become that guy.

Again, not excusing the quality of coaching, but I pin this far more on the QB (and backwards to prior moves) than I do our HC.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He’s too old.  So is cousins.  No.  Blow it up.  Keep Minshew.  If you don’t like a QB high in next years draft.  Kick one of those 1st rounders to 2023 until you find one you like.  Suck for a couple of years until you get the right GM, HC and QB.  

That would keep you busy.

Just now, ManuManu said:

He had the hold and pressure allowed on Hurts’ fourth down sack

OK  - https://www.nfl.com/videos/jalen-hurts-has-nowhere-to-go-on-cowboys-massive-fourth-down-sack

I think that's on Herbig not Dillard.  

Given the flop rate on QBs taken in the top 15 over the last decade, you're better off going with guys like Hurts and waiting until a top over 30 veteran hits free agency.

2021:  Lawrence (1), Wilson (2), Lance (3), Fields (11), Jones (15)

2020:  Burrow (1), Tua (5), Herbert (6),

2019:  Murray (1), D Jones (6), Haskins (15)

2018:  Mayfield (1), Darnold (3), Allen (7), Rosen (10)

2017:  Trubisky (2), Mahomes (10), Watson (12)

2016:  Goff (1), Wentz (2),

2015:  Winston (1), Mariota (2)

2014:  Bortles (3)

2012:  Luck (1), RGIII (2), Tannehill (8)

2011:  Newton (1), Gabbaert (10)

I'd probably go with Minshew over almost half this group!

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He’s too old.  So is cousins.  No.  Blow it up.  Keep Minshew.  If you don’t like a QB high in next years draft.  Kick one of those 1st rounders to 2023 until you find one you like.  Suck for a couple of years until you get the right GM, HC and QB.  

Old proven QB is the way to go.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They jumped a ton of short routes, especially Diggs.

I think on the pick 6 he was 7 yards off the ball in a cover-3 type zone.  Hurts just telegraphed a poor throw.  They only had 7 in the box.  They could have run with numbers at the point of attack and gained yards.  

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

OK  - https://www.nfl.com/videos/jalen-hurts-has-nowhere-to-go-on-cowboys-massive-fourth-down-sack

I think that's on Herbig not Dillard.  

Yeah, you’re right. I remembered incorrectly. 

13 minutes ago, Veejer said:

I don't need to see the All-22 to see we handed the ball off THREE TIMES...

That's a different issue.  Correct, they need to run the ball more than they did, that point is easily conceded.   The question that lingers for me is if the pass plays were 'working' but ineffectively executed by the QB, or if they were not viable at all.  If the plays were there to be made and just weren't, I could defend going back to them repeatedly.  Ultimately, Hurts needs to get better in the passing game.  I'm not at all worried about the win-loss record, but about development of players.  If Hurts develops and this was just a really painful learning process, I'll be ok with it.   If the plays were there to be made, that makes me feel better about Sirianni as an architect, but he needs to learn from this and be better as a play caller rather than play designer.   

 

Basically, I want to look past the results and see more of the process.   Sirianni needs to be better on game day, but the All-22 would indicate how well he did during the week in developing a game plan.  The execution was bad, no doubt.  More runs will be needed moving forward.  But, I'm willing to be patient with Sirianni.  This is his first rodeo as a play caller.  He will have a learning curve as well.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

He’s too old.  So is cousins.  No.  Blow it up.  Keep Minshew.  If you don’t like a QB high in next years draft.  Kick one of those 1st rounders to 2023 until you find one you like.  Suck for a couple of years until you get the right GM, HC and QB.  

What year does the next Manning kid become draft eligible? 2025?

47 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Which is why fantasy football and aggregate stats are worthless.

This is why I hate fantasy football.  While it has certainly increased the fanbase, having a football convo with a fantasy person is beyond infuriating.

7 minutes ago, purplefiggy said:

I think I'm stuck in the middle here - yeah, there are things that the coaching staff needs to do better - mixing in some designed RB runs is just a start.  But at the same time, in real time it appeared that much of the scheming was pretty solid and the QB was just missing all over the place. 

So, does the coach adjust back down for a QB that clearly can't execute even the basics (at least this game)?  And what does that look like?  Do you just take it out of his hands and go 90A% run game?  That won't work either.  Do you bring in your backup and start fresh with him again next week?  I think that just kicks the can down the road.

The alternative is to keep calling plays that gets WRs open and that a QB should be able to execute until you are comfortable that the QB definitely can't become that guy.

Again, not excusing the quality of coaching, but I pin this far more on the QB (and backwards to prior moves) than I do our HC.

Agree 100%.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

2020:  Burrow (1), Tua (5), Herbert (6),

2019:  Murray (1), D Jones (6), Haskins (15)

2018:  Mayfield (1), Darnold (3), Allen (7), Rosen (10)

2017:  Trubisky (2), Mahomes (10), Watson (12)

Since the team drafted Wentz, I would take Burrow, Herbert, Murray, Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Mahomes and Watson.  I'm not good at math but I think that's more than half. I think if Wilson or Rodgers are truly available then the Eagles would be better served by getting them.  I don't think riding with Hurts makes any sense beyond this season unless he improves dramatically.  

5 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, you’re right. I remembered incorrectly. 

I had to go look I was too busy cursing.  

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's a different issue.  Correct, they need to run the ball more than they did, that point is easily conceded.   The question that lingers of me is if the pass plays were 'working' but ineffectively executed by the QB, or if they were not viable at all.  If the plays were there to be made and just weren't, I could defend going back to them repeatedly.  Ultimately, Hurts needs to get better in the passing game.  I'm not at all worried about the win-loss record, but about development of players.  If Hurts develops and this was just a really painful learning process, I'll be ok with it.   If the plays were there to be made, that makes me feel better about Sirianni as an architect, but he needs to learn from this and be better as a play caller rather than play designer.   

 

Basically, I want to look past the results and see more of the process.   Sirianni needs to be better on game day, but the All-22 would indicate how well he did during the week in developing a game plan.  The execution was bad, no doubt.  More runs will be needed moving forward.  But, I'm willing to be patient with Sirianni.  This is his first rodeo as a play caller.  He will have a learning curve as well.

That is the point I was trying to make last night.

Although called too often, the pass plays appeared to be well designed and against the appropriate coverage.

The run/pass ratio is a separate issue from the calls themselves.

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

This is why I hate fantasy football.  While it has certainly increased the fanbase, having a football convo with a fantasy person is beyond infuriating.

"Dude... Hurts had an awesome game!  Got me 18 points in my fantasy league and got me the win!  That late TD to Ward was HUGE!!!"  

32 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You shouldn’t do that so much.  You might hurt yourself.  

Did this make sense to you?

This may be an unpopular opinion.

I think extending Sweat was a mistake 

He's a backup rotation DE.

I think he works hard and is a good dude but doesn't offer enough to make much of a difference 

Sweat was absolutely useless last night.

Sure he had a sack when no one even touched him but other than that he was totally invisible and has been in all 3 games.

He's got one pass rush move and when he gets stoned he does this weird MMA flying fist move where he takes a mini jump into the OL which accomplishes absolutely nothing 🤔.

He's got zero bend and zero change of direction. Once he's going one way that's where he's going, he can't plant and turn and chase as his knee won't let him.

The drop off from graham to him was exponential last night, tough to watch him.

Kerrigan wasn't any better as he looks washed, just slow no explosion just old and ineffective.

As for Barnett I get the eagles chose to extend sweat instead of Barnett I don't think they should have extended either.

I miss BG 😢

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's a different issue.  Correct, they need to run the ball more than they did, that point is easily conceded.   The question that lingers for me is if the pass plays were 'working' but ineffectively executed by the QB, or if they were not viable at all.  If the plays were there to be made and just weren't, I could defend going back to them repeatedly.  Ultimately, Hurts needs to get better in the passing game.  I'm not at all worried about the win-loss record, but about development of players.  If Hurts develops and this was just a really painful learning process, I'll be ok with it.   If the plays were there to be made, that makes me feel better about Sirianni as an architect, but he needs to learn from this and be better as a play caller rather than play designer.   

 

Basically, I want to look past the results and see more of the process.   Sirianni needs to be better on game day, but the All-22 would indicate how well he did during the week in developing a game plan.  The execution was bad, no doubt.  More runs will be needed moving forward.  But, I'm willing to be patient with Sirianni.  This is his first rodeo as a play caller.  He will have a learning curve as well.

I can tell that he did a poor job.  I don't care that receivers may have been open.  The fact that they are open and not the first read points, still, to a Siranni problem.  They have NO Fing creativity at all.  The plays are mishmosh of bs that we have seen repeatedly over the last 4 seasons.  I feel more certain that Siranni isn't the answer than Hurts at this point.  

36 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yup.  Hard to judge the HC and OC when the QB was so dreadful.  That first drive looked really good... until Hurts crapped the bed on that INT.  I wish I had the all-22 to see how tight the coverages were.  But, I saw a guy running out of the pocket a lot and looking at the defender chasing him much more than looking to push the ball down field.  A scrambling QB has to keep his eyes downfield and make the defense uncertain about continuing to defend the pass or come up for the run.  He makes it an easy choice... one throw to Greg Ward in complete garbage time notwithstanding.

That throw to Ward was incredibly dumb and I'm not so sure he didn't mean to sail that out the back of the EZ and just short armed it...then the CB decided to be nice and give the Make a Wish team a gift.

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's a different issue.  Correct, they need to run the ball more than they did, that point is easily conceded.   The question that lingers for me is if the pass plays were 'working' but ineffectively executed by the QB, or if they were not viable at all.  If the plays were there to be made and just weren't, I could defend going back to them repeatedly.  Ultimately, Hurts needs to get better in the passing game.  I'm not at all worried about the win-loss record, but about development of players.  If Hurts develops and this was just a really painful learning process, I'll be ok with it.   If the plays were there to be made, that makes me feel better about Sirianni as an architect, but he needs to learn from this and be better as a play caller rather than play designer.   

 

Basically, I want to look past the results and see more of the process.   Sirianni needs to be better on game day, but the All-22 would indicate how well he did during the week in developing a game plan.  The execution was bad, no doubt.  More runs will be needed moving forward.  But, I'm willing to be patient with Sirianni.  This is his first rodeo as a play caller.  He will have a learning curve as well.

I'd feel pretty safe in plunking a large some of money on betting it was all of that and more...  so, make a list, and list "all of the above" as an option, and that's the one I'll take...

We knew/know the team sucks.  That's expected.  It is what it is.  

The real issue, for this year, becomes the point where you cannot evaluate what you have.  

***Dickerson has looked horrible through 2 games.  I get all the excuses...it's early, he's recovering, don't judge so absurdly quickly.  I'm not judging him, but he WAS hyped as a slam dunk huge talent when he is on the field.  He gets/deserves time, but there's absolutely no certainty at this point that he's part of the solution to this fragmented OL.

***Smith/Reagor/Watkins.  With an overall offense and QB so dysfunctional, it's becoming nearly impossible to judge our massive WR investment.  Is Devonta Smith having trouble separating or is Hurts CONSTANTLY late delivering floaters, rendering every Smith target a contested catch?  And his poor strength and frame have stood out as issues with pass breakups on those contested catches.  Is Reagor rapidly closing in on bust status?  Is Watkins a stud or just a 2 deep catch per game Todd Pinkston?  Or are all these guys just getting screwed over by a complete inability to get them the football?

***Siriani.  This is the most loaded question of them all.  How much control does this guy even have over the team?  He's talking about what "the charts say" as rationale for his decisions?  A guy who waxes poetic about being pathologically competitive sits everyone for the entire preseason (when this has been done under multiple prior coaches under Lowie).