37 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

An interesting tidbit of information on Jalen Hurts...

As bad as some of you think he played last season, according to CBS Sports,  he was still on pace for:

4,517 passing yards, 27 touchdowns and 11 interceptions, as well as 1,269 rushing yards and five touchdowns over 16 games. 

 

Hi Reuben 

 

 

15 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You spend a lot of time worrying about Tom Brady and tracking his feelings.  You think he really wants the NFL to just eliminate uniforms and helmets now?   Since that’s what he said recently?  Holy crap.  What a crybaby he is.  Laughing smiley face…

No, I don’t believe he wants to get rid of jerseys. He was just exaggerating his stupid point. Which I thought was obvious. 

Yet here you are hours later trying to win Tom’s affection. Maybe he’ll send you a TB12 hat. 

This is some Bacarty level nonsense out of you. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh golly.   I’m glad he wasn’t serious but of course he must have been all summer.  S
 

I don’t give a F about him.  I just like to make fun of Philly fans constantly crying about him and the Pats.  Sorry fella.  Wanna hug it out? 
 

Seriously, all of this is because you decided to argue about something you know nothing about. Once you’ve read the link maybe you’ll STFU? Probably not though.

https://www.sportingnews.com/us/amp/nfl/news/tom-brady-nfl-jersey-number-rules-explains-mad/110vb7vivoplf1jz85z7yaea3o

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah.  You’re not obsessed.  Ha

Not obsessed. Just annoyed by how stupid you’ve been through this entire argument. Next time just sit it out. 

8 hours ago, downundermike said:

4500 passing yards, 31 TD's, 7 Int's.  66% completion percentage.

That is an outrageous bar for a second year QB in a new offense, those are top 10 QB numbers

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

An interesting tidbit of information on Jalen Hurts...

As bad as some of you think he played last season, according to CBS Sports,  he was still on pace for:

4,517 passing yards, 27 touchdowns and 11 interceptions, as well as 1,269 rushing yards and five touchdowns over 16 games. 

 

How does 6 TD and 4 INT put a QB on pace for 27 TD and 11 INT?

It’s been a long time since I’ve been in school but this feels like math by cherry-picking

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

That is an outrageous bar for a second year QB in a new offense, those are top 10 QB numbers

And as I posted, that is what he would need to match Minshews numbers after the same amount of starts.  Actually, Hurts would get one more game.

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

How does 6 TD and 4 INT put a QB on pace for 27 TD and 11 INT?

It’s been a long time since I’ve been in school but this feels like math by cherry-picking

Easy. Take his best game and times it by 16

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Sorry Almighty for responding to you and challenging your silly obsession.  You can’t handle it.  You want me to "sit it out”.  YES SIR!  

Apology accepted. You’re dismissed. 

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

An interesting tidbit of information on Jalen Hurts...

As bad as some of you think he played last season, according to CBS Sports,  he was still on pace for:

4,517 passing yards, 27 touchdowns and 11 interceptions, as well as 1,269 rushing yards and five touchdowns over 16 games. 

 

This isn't accurate in any capacity, but okay.

I think the best anyone can reasonably hope for with Hurts would be a Josh Allen-type development and progression.  Keep in mind it took Allen until Year 3 to breakout, he was a top 10 overall pick, and he has a top 5 NFL arm.  53% as a rookie to 59% in Year 2 to 69% in Year 3 

Passing

 

Regular Season

Playoffs

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					44	43	28-15-0	836	1353	61.8	9707	67	5.0	31	2.3	463	75	7.2	7.1	11.6	220.6	90.
2018	22	BUF	QB	17	12	11	5-6-0	169	320	52.8	2074	10	3.1	12	3.8	89	75	6.5	5.4	12.3	172.8	67.9	49.8	28	213	5.35	4.37	8.0	2	3	6
2019	23	BUF	QB	17	16	16	10-6-0	271	461	58.8	3089	20	4.3	9	2.0	146	53	6.7	6.7	11.4	193.1	85.3	49.4	38	237	5.72	5.71	7.6	4	5	11
2020*	24	BUF	QB	17	16	16	13-3-0	396	572	69.2	4544	37	6.5	10	1.7	228	55	7.9	8.5	11.5	284.0	107.2	81.7	26	159	7.33	7.82	4.3	2	3	20

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

This isn't accurate in any capacity, but okay.

It’s from a fantasy article and only considers his first 3 starts. Because Washington doesn’t count for reasons.

No matter what Hurts does won’t be good enough for the usual suspects 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Sure...whatever gets your obsessed righteous ass through the night.  

I said you’re dismissed. 

Hurts actual numbers over a 16 game stretch based off of his numbers as a starter: 

52% for 3,677 passing yards with 20 TDs and 12 INT 

184 rushes for 1088 rushing yards and 12 rushing TDs. 24 fumbles. 

So 52% for 4,765 total yards with 32 total TDs and 36 total turnovers. 

 

15 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think the best anyone can reasonably hope for with Hurts would be a Josh Allen-type development and progression.  Keep in mind it took Allen until Year 3 to breakout, he was a top 10 overall pick, and he has a top 5 NFL arm.  53% as a rookie to 59% in Year 2 to 69% in Year 3 

Passing

 

Regular Season

Playoffs

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					44	43	28-15-0	836	1353	61.8	9707	67	5.0	31	2.3	463	75	7.2	7.1	11.6	220.6	90.
2018	22	BUF	QB	17	12	11	5-6-0	169	320	52.8	2074	10	3.1	12	3.8	89	75	6.5	5.4	12.3	172.8	67.9	49.8	28	213	5.35	4.37	8.0	2	3	6
2019	23	BUF	QB	17	16	16	10-6-0	271	461	58.8	3089	20	4.3	9	2.0	146	53	6.7	6.7	11.4	193.1	85.3	49.4	38	237	5.72	5.71	7.6	4	5	11
2020*	24	BUF	QB	17	16	16	13-3-0	396	572	69.2	4544	37	6.5	10	1.7	228	55	7.9	8.5	11.5	284.0	107.2	81.7	26	159	7.33	7.82	4.3	2	3	20

Josh Allen was not good in year 2.  He was great in year 3.  He was also a top 10 pick…aka he gets the 3rd year.

2nd round picks with half his talent are already in a lower success bracket and don’t necessarily merit or deserve seeing it through for 3 years.

1 hour ago, Ace Nova said:

 

Just hope they run the ball a good amount.  

 

 

34 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think the best anyone can reasonably hope for with Hurts would be a Josh Allen-type development and progression.  Keep in mind it took Allen until Year 3 to breakout, he was a top 10 overall pick, and he has a top 5 NFL arm.  53% as a rookie to 59% in Year 2 to 69% in Year 3 

Passing

 

Regular Season

Playoffs

Year	Age	Tm	Pos	No.	G	GS	QBrec	Cmp	Att	Cmp%	Yds	TD	TD%	Int	Int%	1D	Lng	Y/A	AY/A	Y/C	Y/G	Rate	QBR	Sk	Yds	NY/A	ANY/A	Sk%	4QC	GWD	AV
Career					44	43	28-15-0	836	1353	61.8	9707	67	5.0	31	2.3	463	75	7.2	7.1	11.6	220.6	90.
2018	22	BUF	QB	17	12	11	5-6-0	169	320	52.8	2074	10	3.1	12	3.8	89	75	6.5	5.4	12.3	172.8	67.9	49.8	28	213	5.35	4.37	8.0	2	3	6
2019	23	BUF	QB	17	16	16	10-6-0	271	461	58.8	3089	20	4.3	9	2.0	146	53	6.7	6.7	11.4	193.1	85.3	49.4	38	237	5.72	5.71	7.6	4	5	11
2020*	24	BUF	QB	17	16	16	13-3-0	396	572	69.2	4544	37	6.5	10	1.7	228	55	7.9	8.5	11.5	284.0	107.2	81.7	26	159	7.33	7.82	4.3	2	3	20

Hurts will be lucky if the fans give him 3 games, let alone 3 years. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

I will disagree with this.  His act was barbaric, it was ill-advised, but it crystallized the issue and it could rightly be said that the shots fired in Harper's Ferry really were the first shots of the Civil War, which erupted just 18 months later.  

 

And he was very correct in this prophetic statement... 

"I, John Brown, am now quite certain that the crimes of this guilty land will never be purged away, but with Blood."

Most definitely.  

I don’t disagree with the concept that the action probably contributed to the direction toward conflict. There was already the violence that Brown contributed to in the Bleeding of Kansas.  My Kansas relatives came from the North, including a great great grandfather who served in the Union army, and settled there right after the war.  Brown was viewed as heinous as the pro slavery raiders were by most accounts thereabouts that I heard growing up.

There is no dispute that Douglass fled the country.  There was also a dampening impact on the pacifist abolitionists.  But undoubtedly it strengthened the resolve of the South, who did view the North as aggressively opposing their economic interests, which had been a source of dispute for years, from the National Bank, to tariffs and, absolutely, to slavery.  The actions of Brown probably hastened the hostilities and in doing so may have contributed toward the hastening of the abolition of slavery but I also suspect it help unite the South even stronger and that contributed to the great toll taken in that war.

7 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I don’t disagree with the concept that the action probably contributed to the direction toward conflict. There was already the violence that Brown contributed to in the Bleeding of Kansas.  My Kansas relatives came from the North, including a great great grandfather who served in the Union army, and settled there right after the war.  Brown was viewed as heinous as the pro slavery raiders were by most accounts thereabouts that I heard growing up.

There is no dispute that Douglass fled the country.  There was also a dampening impact on the pacifist abolitionists.  But undoubtedly it strengthened the resolve of the South, who did view the North as aggressively opposing their economic interests, which had been a source of dispute for years, from the National Bank, to tariffs and, absolutely, to slavery.  The actions of Brown probably hastened the hostilities and in doing so may have contributed toward the hastening of the abolition of slavery but I also suspect it help unite the South even stronger and that contributed to the great toll taken in that war.

Not sure that they needed much to strengthen their resolve.  In fact, it might have weakened it.  4 slave states didn't join the Confederacy, and one split into two.  Prior to that, they pretty much worked as a single block to defend their "peculiar institution".  

3 hours ago, NCiggles said:

Do you think abolitionists would have prevailed without the Civil War? In some ways Brown only turned to violence in response to pro-slavery forces in Kansas and elsewhere.  

No, not really but I do wonder if slavery would have survived the severe droughts in the 1860s and 1870s and the Panic of 1873.  Seems our kids history books focus on the Industrial Revolution at that time but the Panic lasted twice as long as the Great Depression and greatly contributed to western migration and a wave of settlers to America.  The droughts and the toll cotton was taking on the land diminished cotton  growth in the South.   I have severe doubts that the Southern slave driven economy would have survived the droughts and Panic.  We will never know.  I suspect we were bound for secessions sooner than that given the other events as JR pointed out.  

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok F Nuts.  We are back from our draft.  I took Jalen Hurts #6 overall.  Winner.  

Ertz going #2 was wild

11 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Ertz going #2 was wild

#2 overall or 2nd round?