1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Complete lack of drafting success?

2018:  Goeddert (49), Maddox (125), Sweat (130), Pryor (206), Mailata (233)

2019:  Dillard (22), Sanders (53), JJAW (57), Miller (138), Thorson (167)

2020:  Reagor (21), Hurts (53), Taylor (103), Wallace (127), Driscoll (145), Hightower (168), Bradley (196), Watkins (200), Prince (210), Toohill (233)

2021:  Smith (10), Dickerson (37), Williams (73), McPhearson (123), Gainwell (150), Tuipulotu (189), Jackson (191), Stevens (224), Johnson (234)

Hightower is still around 

14 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

You are right.  We just have to excuse his early season struggles because he wasn't about to get on the practice field until 4 weeks ago.  Not a red-shirt year, just a red-shirt 8 weeks?   

 

The pick isn't to be judged for a single year.  However, if close to a quarter of the rookie contract has to be excused due to injury and limited practice time, I think its fair to say that the return on your investment may not be what it could have been by waiting a round and selecting a different player.  

 

And, I would like to ask that all future references to 'value' of a player not be backed up by saying 'the Giants were going to take him if we didn't', as we've seen in recent history, they are the epitome of over-drafting players.  

It was a redshirt week. The lack of training camp will not be an excuse for his entire season. I would expect to see big improvements over the next month, and certainly by the final month of the season. 

This is valuable time for him. 

Trading significant draft capital for Watson should be the cherry on the top of the sundae.  At present, he's a cherry that barely sits above the bottom of the glass.  I know Lurie likes his statement trades to puff his ego up, but surely he can see how bereft of talent and cap space his boy has left the team.  If this team can't stop the OL getting injured or the LBs having a lack of talent in them or constantly handicapping the future cap with band aid players, they'll waste Watson's best years playing catch up.

The Eagles need to accept they are rebuilding and act accordingly. 

13 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Complete lack of drafting success?

2018:  Goeddert (49), Maddox (125), Sweat (130), Pryor (206), Mailata (233)

2019:  Dillard (22), Sanders (53), JJAW (57), Miller (138), Thorson (167)

2020:  Reagor (21), Hurts (53), Taylor (103), Wallace (127), Driscoll (145), Hightower (168), Bradley (196), Watkins (200), Prince (210), Toohill (233)

2021:  Smith (10), Dickerson (37), Williams (73), McPhearson (123), Gainwell (150), Tuipulotu (189), Jackson (191), Stevens (224), Johnson (234)

You proved you whoever said that’s point 

26 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Franchise QB is a term that's loosely applied to good but not great QBs on a regular basis.

To me, a Franchise QB is someone you can write in for an extended period (Randall Cunningham had an elite season for the Vikings, Wentz in 2017, one season doesn't make a career) who can raise the play of his teammates, not just put up gaudy stats when surrounded by talent. So Peyton, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, now Mahomes, who else? There are rarely more than 3 or so of these guys in the league, the rest are good but not great, I'd put QBs like Favre, Rivers, Prescott, Wilson, etc in that category. The next tier are the solid QBs who can win with the right talent around them, but can't elevate a team, Eli, Cousins, Garopollo, Carr, Ryan, L Jackson, Stafford, Watson. 

It takes great luck to land a franchise QB, most QBs drafted in the first 15 picks end up as 3rd tier guys or flops. Even good but not elite QB are hard to find. So odds are you're gonna end up with that third tier, guys you can win with but aren't going to carry a team, so you'd better build the team first then find one of these guys and hope you get lucky and they have a magical season or turn out to be better than expected.

To me, the question with Hurts isn't whether he's going to be a franchise QB, Eagles have never had one in my lifetime and probably never will. The question is whether he can develop into a solid 3rd tier guy who can win games if they fill out the roster the next two years. B/c the odds are, that's as good as it's ever going to get.

The bolded is a Fatalist view of trying to acquire a Franchise QB.  So in your mind, because they are hard to find, we should stop trying?  

Nah man, thats not how it works. There are 2 potentially Franchise QB's who are going to be available, possibly 3 between now and 2022 season.

Watson, Rodgers and possibly WIlson. 

 Franchise QB's win the majority of Superbowls in the past 30 - 40 years. SO you do what you gotta do to get one. PERIOD.  Settling on Hurts, will keep you from having legit chance to win another championship... so nah man, just Hell to the NO!

21 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Howie would be "reassigned ", not fired.

If Hurts continues to struggle all season and Then DeVonta Smith doesn’t wont be able to play to expectations, Dickerson gets re-injured, etc. I think it’s possible Howie is reassigned after the season.

FYP

37 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Man, if we go 2-15 it means Howie absolutely should go and Sirianni should go too (and I’m pretty patient with coaches early on). 

Three first-round picks and their choice of a new HC could make it an attractive job for a GM candidate. 

BUt if the Rumours of Luries meddling ways are true, what great GM prospect would come to Philly? What Great HC prospect would come? 

I still have Corral as my top QB , curious to see him against bama this week

Strong still my second fav , big arm , lots of pre snap stuff from him 

Jurkovec another of my favs but he is out for the year with injury

I like Nix , but less as the year goes on , big step back in his game

JT Daniels has played well , injured a cpl weeks back so he missed a little time

2 QBs who have really impressed me , Zappe and Haener 

if I had to rank my current 5

Corral

Strong

Haener

Zappe

Daniels

2 others I think climb 

Pickett and Armstrong 

14 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

BUt if the Rumours of Luries meddling ways are true, what great GM prospect would come to Philly? What Great HC prospect would come? 

Good question. Probably one who strongly favors the use of analytics. 

Sherman signing with Bucs , they need him , their secondary is a mash unit right now , Sherman apparently lost 19 lbs back to his hawk days playing weight

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Good question. Probably one who strongly favors the use of analytics. 

With Howie gone, this becomes one of the most attractive jobs on the market.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah, let's us know how that works out for you.  

 

I heard Al Harris lost 20 lbs.  You want him too?

Well  2 of their top 3 CBs are out with injuries , their best CB has been nursing a hammy injury , so it can’t get any worse 

It only cost 1.2 million one year deal  .

Sirianni was on with Angelo this morning. Anyone listen? Anything interesting?

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Meh....It fits in line with Tampa and their desire to fill their roster with stars or former stars from other teams.  Their whole roster is a "who's who".  I am surprised it actually worked last year.  That's only because of Brady.  Good thing he only has like 8 more seasons left.  

All in this year , then the roster gets major changes , Suh ,JPP , McClendon , Bernard , fournett , Jensen , gronk ,AB all gone , roster loaded with 1 year deals , maybe Brady stays one more year as they transition to Trask . 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

Hightower is still around 

Practice squad

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Meh....It fits in line with Tampa and their desire to fill their roster with stars or former stars from other teams.  Their whole roster is a "who's who".  I am surprised it actually worked last year.  That's only because of Brady.  Good thing he only has like 8 more seasons left.  

Tampa will be irrelevant again for 20 years soon. 

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Well that depends on the price.  Our OL is a disaster.  We need to add a minimum of 2 starters over 2 years and that is extremely optimistic…it could be 4 starters if Dickerson doesn’t pan out and Lane gets hurt again.

On defense, they basically need an entire new secondary over 2 years and a new DE.   
 

While I realize that Howie cannot draft, the current surplus of draft capital makes these things theoretically possible.

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

It doesn't terminate it, but when trading multiple first round picks away, especially for a veteran, it decreases the resources available to rebuild and limits the window for the rebuild.   It is very much a 'win now' move. 

 

Trading for Watson, when the team continues to be cap strapped, with no defensive pieces to build around still on their rookie contract, and an offensive line in disarray (again) makes the rebuild hard to complete.  

 

If Watson is available for a bargain basement price, the move could work out, but would likely also extend Howie's shelf life.  Hard pass.  I don't think it will be that much of a bargain, questions still remain surrounding him, and they don't have cap flexibility to add pieces to fill out the roster.

And yet the biggest challenge to find via the draft is quarterback so you can waste all those draft picks to trade up and come away with crap. Find your franchise guy and then fill in the rest

9 hours ago, austinfan said:

Find a quote where I called him average. Another example of "gotcha" posting.

My argument is Watson isn't elite, because he never elevated Houston's offense into the top ten, despite having solid talent.

13th in offensive ppg in 2018 (23.5), 15th in 2019 (22.8), 19th in 2020 (23.6).

Miller/Hyde at RB, Hopkins/Cooks, Fuller at WR, Tunsil at LT. Rushing 10th in YPA in 2017, 11th in 2018, 10th in 2019, 15th in 2020 - the OL must be doing something right.

He gets sacked a lot primarily b/c he holds the ball too long. That inflates his QB rating, but not his QBR. 2018:  61.8 (13th) (just behind Wentz), 2019:  70.5 (7th), 2020:  70.5 (12th)

That's more accurate, somewhere around 10th in the league. Good but not nearly elite.

Watson would be an upgrade over Hurts, but unless the legal issues are resolved and you can get him at a bargain price, he'd set back the franchise, both the cap hit and cost of acquiring him would cripple this team - we're not TB with a lot of cheap talent that just needed a top veteran QB to put them over the top. And he wouldn't make them an instant winner, he might score a few more points per game, but he can't play OL or defense.

Before I follow up, who are the top 5 QB’s in the NFL during Watsons time in the league ??

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Before I follow up, who are the top 5 QB’s in the NFL during Watsons time in the league ??

I may disagree with Afan, but this is what he's talking about with a gotcha post. 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

I may disagree with Afan, but this is what he's talking about with a gotcha post. 

I need to know who I am analyzing Watson against for an appropriate response.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

If the crap fest we watched on Monday night becomes the norm... yes, I think he could be fired.  Howie signed off on drafting Hurts.  Drafting Hurts led to disenfranchising Wentz.  Forcing the trade.   Forcing Hurts into the starter role.  And we see what that is.  If Hurts couldn't be a starter in the league, you don't draft him in Round 2.  And that started a domino effect across the franchise.  Not to mention, the complete and total lack of cap flexibility, almost complete lack of drafting success...  Howie is the man in charge of all of it.  He needs to go.   (and if its Lurie... Lurie needs to scape goat Howie, find a real GM and back off.)

To me I think them firing Doug was sending the message he was the reason for the failed draft picks and the decline in team performance. They had zero faith in anything Doug did.

So by firing Doug I think that bought Howie more time to work with a new coach since the last one apparently was the issue not Howie. 

They basically did the same thing with Chip let him hang himself to say it was chip not Howie. Winning the super bowl after chip  effed it up has cemented Howie in here for a while longer. Lurie will.allow Howie to right the ship with Nick just like.he did after chip. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Do you trust an owner who shows up to practice looking like this, to make the right decision?  

Looks like our next President standing out there all clueless and sheet lol. 

52 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

I still have Corral as my top QB , curious to see him against bama this week

Corral, Willis, Strong all have cases for top 15 picks. Would like to see more.

😲🤐

Perfect play-call by Sirianni on 3rd down. Got exactly what he wanted. OL protects very well. Smith gets wide open.

Incomplete.

From a Dallas film guy/writer.