48 minutes ago, greend said:

And yet the biggest challenge to find via the draft is quarterback so you can waste all those draft picks to trade up and come away with crap. Find your franchise guy and then fill in the rest

I don't disagree with that.  But, spending that capital to grab that QB makes filling in the rest harder, and with an "older" QB (veteran vs. rookie) the window is shorter.  

Lots of teams found their franchise guy and never get there.  Rivers, Stafford... or only got there once... Rodgers, Brees, etc.  Building a championship team is hard.  There aren't shortcuts.  Even with the best QB, you still need to build up the other 52 pretty well.  And if the other 52 are good enough, the 1 QB can be a guy that doesn't have to be 'that franchise guy', but the guy that just gets hot at the right time like Flacco and Foles.

Just now, Utebird said:

Yup Wilson's best attribute was supposed to be his ability in coverage but he's been invisible there.

Singleton was never good in coverage and Edwards is a liability in coverage as well 

I had hopes for Davion Taylor but the dude after an encouraging pre season has been hurt.

And like I said on the back end the safeties have had multiple break downs leaving corners out to dry. It's just been ugly and when the only DL creating pressure is hargrave the back 7 look even worse.

It's just a defense full either guys that suck or are young or both

That's why I won't bish about Gannon yet. I'm surprised they even got some of the plays they did against the cowboys. I thought it was going to be a lot worse. They still made some stops and some big plays for a Defense that lacks talent and playmakers for the most part . 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Jeffy wants QB. Jeffy give up a lot to get his QB. Jeffy wants his franchise Qb. That’s why they want a QB and would consider doing it. I’d bet either trade for a QB or move up in the draft to get a QB that (assuming hurts fails) the eagles have their "franchise” QB this offseason 

That theory is truly based on facts and history. I admit it.  I just hope the cycle gets broken this time versus wasting picks. 

Maybe, we will be so bad that we get to draft a top guy without tying up more picks in the process.  It's possible.

1 hour ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

To me I think them firing Doug was sending the message he was the reason for the failed draft picks and the decline in team performance. They had zero faith in anything Doug did.

So by firing Doug I think that bought Howie more time to work with a new coach since the last one apparently was the issue not Howie. 

They basically did the same thing with Chip let him hang himself to say it was chip not Howie. Winning the super bowl after chip  effed it up has cemented Howie in here for a while longer. Lurie will.allow Howie to right the ship with Nick just like.he did after chip. 

Of course.  That's the message they were sending.  But, Lurie is the one that needs to know if that's true or not.  Lurie is the one who knows what's happening and who is truly responsible.  He loves having Howie around... maybe to enable his own meddling and letting Howie take the heat.  But, only Lurie matters in terms of firing Howie, not the message that they are selling to the fans, etc. all that really matters is what Lurie is selling to himself.

 

With Chip, it was on Chip, as Chip had relegated Howie to the corner and took control.  He made his bed, crapped in it and was removed.  Howie survived that power struggle because of how royally Chip had screwed up.  This bed has been crapped by Howie.

1 minute ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That theory is truly based on facts and history. I admit it.  I just hope the cycle gets broken this time versus wasting picks. 

Maybe, we will be so bad that we get to draft a top guy without tying up more picks in the process.  It's possible.

Well we don't need to be bad all by ourselves. The Dolphins are doing a good job of that as well. Lol

51 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

From a Dallas film guy/writer. 

Diggs was another Alabama guy.  He knows Smith.   This is interesting.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Of course.  That's the message they were sending.  But, Lurie is the one that needs to know if that's true or not.  Lurie is the one who knows what's happening and who is truly responsible.  He loves having Howie around... maybe to enable his own meddling and letting Howie take the heat.  But, only Lurie matters in terms of firing Howie, not the message that they are selling to the fans, etc. all that really matters is what Lurie is selling to himself.

 

With Chip, it was on Chip, as Chip had relegated Howie to the corner and took control.  He made his bed, crapped in it and was removed.  Howie survived that power struggle because of how royally Chip had screwed up.  This bed has been crapped by Howie.

Well in that case we are still not getting rid of Howie. Lurie seems to be in the mindset it's the coaches fault and never Howie. 

Just now, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

That theory is truly based on facts and history and I hate to admit it.  I just hope the cycle gets broken this time versus wasting picks. 

Maybe, we will be so bad that we get to draft a top guy without tying up more picks in the process.  It's possible.

Honestly the reason why i kept saying all offseason it wasn’t just rumors and bs they were in on those QBs particularly watson. I see lurie seeing watson being 25 and a pro bowl caliber QB and if the legal issues were resolved he’d find his QB for the next decade. Immediately after they fired chip and saw Bradford wasn’t the guy they maneuvered their way up to get Carson wentz. Lurie even stated at the time they did it he wanted a franchise QB and if you don’t have one then you are in trouble.

I’m not saying they 100 percent should do it. What I’ve been saying is the eagles were 100% trying to make a deal and if the right offer came along they’d pull the trigger. 

idk i tend to think it’s going to be hard to top the Jets, jags, giants and Falcons imo. They’d have to lose to them Jets and lions to make that happen. Jets are really bad not sure i see us losing that one. However only the giants and Falcons I’d argue need a Qb 

1 hour ago, Original Sin said:

I still have Corral as my top QB , curious to see him against bama this week

Strong still my second fav , big arm , lots of pre snap stuff from him 

Jurkovec another of my favs but he is out for the year with injury

I like Nix , but less as the year goes on , big step back in his game

JT Daniels has played well , injured a cpl weeks back so he missed a little time

2 QBs who have really impressed me , Zappe and Haener 

if I had to rank my current 5

Corral

Strong

Haener

Zappe

Daniels

2 others I think climb 

Pickett and Armstrong 

Doesn't Strong have knee issues?

5 hours ago, austinfan said:

Complete lack of drafting success?

2018:  Goeddert (49), Maddox (125), Sweat (130), Pryor (206), Mailata (233)

2019:  Dillard (22), Sanders (53), JJAW (57), Miller (138), Thorson (167)

2020:  Reagor (21), Hurts (53), Taylor (103), Wallace (127), Driscoll (145), Hightower (168), Bradley (196), Watkins (200), Prince (210), Toohill (233)

2021:  Smith (10), Dickerson (37), Williams (73), McPhearson (123), Gainwell (150), Tuipulotu (189), Jackson (191), Stevens (224), Johnson (234)

You count reaching for Hurts starting the avalanche of crap we are in now a....a....a success?  😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Reagor? Dickerson is TBD as he may be forever gimpy after playing with that injury history. 

Dillard?  Throwing Barnett in there too? 

JJAW?!?! 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣😂

I know you're Howie's burner account but good grief bro.

16 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

While I agree, the biggest reason would be to let him fail at an epic level, so there is no way to pretend like he provides hope at the end of the year.  When we are about 2 - 7 and he is a major part of the reason, then that will be enough.  It's really embarrassing that the team is riding a kid who can't get it done.  It's really not fair.

Why do they need to pretend?

The players and fans will understand, we've all been watching.  At this point I am 100% comfortable saying that Minshew would at least have us at a competitive level.

Does anyone really think Hurts is going to get better vs KC?   Rip the band-aid off, lets not kid ourselves

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Do you have a link to where you got these numbers ??

If I use the link below, assuming all extra points where converted, I come up with

2018 ( 18.3 ) 2019 ( 20.1 ) 2020 ( 19.2 )

https://www.nfl.com/stats/team-stats/offense/scoring/2020/reg/all

I found it:

9 minutes ago, PrinceKelby said:

You count reaching for Hurts starting the avalanche of crap we are in now a....a....a success?  😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂

Reagor? Dickerson is TBD as he may be forever gimpy after playing with that injury history. 

JJAW?!?! 🤦🏻‍♂️🤣😂

I know you're Howie's burned account but good grief bro.

 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why do they need to pretend?

The players and fans will understand, we've all been watching.  At this point I am 100% comfortable saying that Minshew would at least have us at a competitive level.

Does anyone really think Hurts is going to get better vs KC?   Rip the band-aid off, lets not kid ourselves

KC defense has not been good so far.  Hurts should play well.  Whether or not he scores enough to match the Chiefs, that's a different story. 

If Hurts does struggle again vs a weak KC defense then he's in trouble.

37 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

And yet Smith was still running free most of the night

Analysis by results, thats all that is

Hes about as overrated as Micah Parsons is at this point, but its close.  All they had to do was be average and we made them look great

 

The fact that the Eagles immediately fell behind so far gave the commentators license to slobber all over the Cowboys and it was just as puke worthy then as it is now.  They are nothing special.  Average team.

True.  Which apparently puts them light years ahead of where the Eagles are right now.   Maybe in December the Eagles can close some of that gap.  Right now, it isn't close.

29 minutes ago, E-A-G-L-E-S Eagles said:

While I agree, the biggest reason would be to let him fail at an epic level, so there is no way to pretend like he provides hope at the end of the year.  When we are about 2 - 7 and he is a major part of the reason, then that will be enough.  It's really embarrassing that the team is riding a kid who can't get it done.  It's really not fair.

Spectacular failure or spectacular success -- either will work. Worst case is a rollercoaster season that nets mediocrity.

10 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

KC defense has not been good so far.  Hurts should play well.  Whether or not he scores enough to match the Chiefs, that's a different story. 

If Hurts does struggle again vs a weak KC defense then he's in trouble.

last week it was Dallas's Defense sucks, Hurts should play well... Lets just keep extrapolating that down a few weeks. 

 

I'm calling it now, Hurts will struggle again...

13 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Just build with the draft and start minshew next season and hopefully a qb prospect pops the following season cause this current crop coming out looks like aids

I agree.  If Hurts does not improve this season at worst we will have 2 high first round and 2 high second round picks.  My wishlist would be a DE, LB, DB and OL with those 4 picks.  Lets roll for Minshew for a year and then look at the QBs coming out..  The worst thing would be reaching for a QB in the draft just cause its a position of need.

34 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Minshew is more than capable of putting up major numbers.  Now that Hurts is throwing picks, there is ZERO reason to keep him as starter besides his feelings

Move on and do it now.  It would give us time to determine if Minshew has "it" or can at least be a bridge to the next guy

Rolling out Hurts for another 3-4 weeks is pointless now.  Dont just throw that time away and end up exactly where we are now at this point next year

I have zero doubt that Minshew could be a bridge QB.  I'd go so far as to say that the trade for him with an extra year on his rookie deal helps as well, because it would allow them to draft a QB and let Minshew start until the rookie is ready to step in.  

 

But, Hurts will get another 5 or more games to improve upon that crap fest on Monday night.   I hope to see improvement.  I expect that I won't.  More importantly, I want to see what Sirianni does differently with the same QB to help cover up for his limitations.  But, my goodness, some of these limitations are glaring now.   That miss on Goedert in favor of Smith against the 49ers could have been explained as him locking in on 'his guy' in Smith.  But, to follow that up with passing on Smith who was wide open to force it to Ertz further down field sort of makes the answer that he's pressing for big plays rather than taking what's given... ironically, any time you convert a 3rd down, it could be argued its a 'big' play.  3rd downs are money downs that extend drives.  Failing to convert is a bad play, when a play is there to be made.  And frankly, I am far less interested in what Hurts does on 1st and 2nd down than what he does on 3rd down.  That's where you really measure a QB.  3rd downs and red zone... that's where I focus my attention.

15 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why do they need to pretend?

The players and fans will understand, we've all been watching.  At this point I am 100% comfortable saying that Minshew would at least have us at a competitive level.

Does anyone really think Hurts is going to get better vs KC?   Rip the band-aid off, lets not kid ourselves

It's not about you or I pretending.  We know he can't do it.  It's about Howie pretending that there is an upside and sticking it out further.  We need epic failure to stop Howie.

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

last week it was Dallas's Defense sucks, Hurts should play well... Lets just keep extrapolating that down a few weeks. 

 

I'm calling it now, Hurts will struggle again...

It was said that the niners secondary was not very good either...

6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Spectacular failure or spectacular success -- either will work. Worst case is a rollercoaster season that nets mediocrity.

Correct, but spectacular success seems impossible to even consider.  The middle ground is what we need to stay away from.

1 minute ago, manz2821 said:

I agree.  If Hurts does not improve this season at worst we will have 2 high first round and 2 high second round picks.  My wishlist would be a DE, LB, DB and OL with those 4 picks.  Lets roll for Minshew for a year and then look at the QBs coming out..  The worst thing would be reaching for a QB in the draft just cause its a position of need.

In theory it’s what they should do but lurie isn’t going to do that. He’s not going another season without getting his QB. I don’t even think it needs to be a drafted QB. I don’t rule them out of russell Wilson if he becomes available or watson. 

13 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

KC defense has not been good so far.  Hurts should play well.  Whether or not he scores enough to match the Chiefs, that's a different story. 

If Hurts does struggle again vs a weak KC defense then he's in trouble.

Dallas' defense on Monday night is no better than what we'll see Sunday. 

The only thing that might improve is the game plan.   But Im not letting a running game cloud my visions of the guy missing wide open throws and being late for every single read

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

last week it was Dallas's Defense sucks, Hurts should play well... Lets just keep extrapolating that down a few weeks. 

 

I'm calling it now, Hurts will struggle again...

I don't think Dallas defense is as bad as people make them out to be.  It's early but they're definitely better than they have been the last couple years.

KC defense is much worse I think.