4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m still confused on how they got the projection of 27 tds and 11 ints if he started 16 games last year. It really makes no sense. He basically played significant snaps and/or started 4 games and a quarter. During that time he had 6 passing tds and 4 ints. That means he threw 1.5 tds per game which over 17 games (for this year) becomes 25.5 passing tds. Also means he had 1 int per game. So it should be 17 ints per 17 games. 

They took his stats from his first three starts, averaged it into one game and then extrapolated across 16 while rounding up. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’m still confused on how they got the projection of 27 tds and 11 ints if he started 16 games last year. It really makes no sense. He basically played significant snaps and/or started 4 games and a quarter. During that time he had 6 passing tds and 4 ints. That means he threw 1.5 tds per game which over 17 games (for this year) becomes 25.5 passing tds. Also means he had 1 int per game. So it should be 17 ints per 17 games. 

I was more speaking on what I posted... We all know that was not the mind set Howie had when drafting Hurts. Makes him look like a genius when he says that sheet now. 

Although, your posts also raise the same thoughts. They are trying so hard to justify the Hurts pick, just freaking let it go Howie . If him not being able to finish season is why he drafted Hurts then why sign him to the contract he did? I absolutely hate this FO

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s an overstatement. Carson has a better W/L record than Winston. Besides that Wentz has 121 TDs to 79 turnovers. Winston has 131 TDs to 119 turnovers. Wentz also has a better passer rating. He wasn’t here long and he wasn’t what we hoped but it doesn’t make sense to drag him as being worse than he actually was. 

I thought wentz was overrated statistically in 2018 but he also was coming off a acl and then misdiagnosed his back fracture. I’m guessing that probably had a part in why he didn’t look as good as we expected him to be besides some of his other flaws. In 2019 the eagles don’t make the playoffs if he doesn’t do what he did in December. The weapons on that team were a joke entering that Seahawks game. Our best WR was Greg ward and miles sanders was also banged up. Ertz was also hurting cause of a bad throw by wentz in the Dallas game. And they were down 2 olineman. Frankly i alluded to the December run being fools gold due to the schedule they got but also you could see it was time to rebuild the team. It’s why i was adamant about it at the end of the season through the offseason. The eagles should have begun a rebuild entering the 2020 season. Instead because of the "pandemic” and 3 new coaches in the division decided not too even though they apparently discussed it that offseason up until the pandemic hit. 

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They took his stats from his first three starts, averaged it into one game and then extrapolated across 16 while rounding up. 

So they eliminated 5 quarters that he played major snaps and even started one game. Lol. 

15 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I was more speaking on what I posted... We all know that was not the mind set Howie had when drafting Hurts. Makes him look like a genius when he says that sheet now. 

Although, your posts also raise the same thoughts. They are trying so hard to justify the Hurts pick, just freaking let it go Howie . If him not being able to finish season is why he drafted Hurts then why sign him to the contract he did? I absolutely hate this FO

All of this and Howie is completely missing the point of they just got Gardner Minshew making pennies for a f’ing 6th round pick. It’s not hard to get a good backup. It’s certainly not worth a 2nd. How about not drafting complete scrubs like Thorson in the 5th? Who, by the way, they drafted ahead of Minshew to begin with. 

14 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I was more speaking on what I posted... We all know that was not the mind set Howie had when drafting Hurts. Makes him look like a genius when he says that sheet now. 

Although, your posts also raise the same thoughts. They are trying so hard to justify the Hurts pick, just freaking let it go Howie . If him not being able to finish season is why he drafted Hurts then why sign him to the contract he did? I absolutely hate this FO

The thing that irritates me more is they kept saying we needed a cheap backup QB for a couple years as to why in the 2020 offseason we couldn’t sign a veteran QB. And used a 2nd on one. Even though we were in a pandemic so a rookie second round pick was unlikely to be ready to roll if something happened due to no offseason activities and limited reps in 2020. So they believed they were gonna be fine if wentz (assuming he was playing like end 2019) went down a rookie would just pick up where he left off even though he was a second round rookie with pandemic offseason. Add on we didnt have the cap space to sign a veteran last offseason but this offseason we were in more of a tight position but did and they did so in a rebuild. And signed him so it hurts them future years with the phony years. 

5 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So they eliminated 5 quarters that he played major snaps and even started one game. Lol. 

When you take out their worst games and just count the best games the stats look good 

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The thing that irritates me more is they kept saying we needed a cheap backup QB for a couple years as to why in the 2020 offseason we couldn’t sign a veteran QB. And used a 2nd on one. Even though we were in a pandemic so a rookie second round pick was unlikely to be ready to roll if something happened due to no offseason activities and limited reps in 2020. So they believed they were gonna be fine if wentz (assuming he was playing like end 2019) went down a rookie would just pick up where he left off even though he was a second round rookie with pandemic offseason. Add on we didnt have the cap space to sign a veteran last offseason but this offseason we were more of a tight position but did and they did so in a rebuild. And signed him so it hurts them future years with the phony years. 

I agree, Howie just keeps looking more and more like a moron with all of this. These are probably the same BS lines he gives Lurie and somehow Lurie believes it or whatever he thinks

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

All of this and Howie is completely missing the point of they just got Gardner Minshew making pennies for a f’ing 6th round pick. It’s not hard to get a good backup. It’s certainly not worth a 2nd. How about not drafting complete scrubs like Thorson in the 5th? 

They kept Nate Sudfeld around for 4 bloody years; talent evaluation just isn’t the forte of this FO lately.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

When you take out their worst games and just count the best games the stats look good 

You know if we took Bryce Harper’s august numbers (28 games) and just project them out for the entire 162 games he’d be hitting .337 with 58 homers and 145 RBIs. 

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That’s an overstatement. Carson has a better W/L record than Winston. Besides that Wentz has 121 TDs to 79 turnovers. Winston has 131 TDs to 119 turnovers. Wentz also has a better passer rating. He wasn’t here long and he wasn’t what we hoped but it doesn’t make sense to drag him as being worse than he actually was. 

Okay it was an overstatement. But we are still comparing bum to bum man. He wasn’t good.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You know if we took Bryce Harper’s august numbers (28 games) and just project them out for the entire 162 games he’d be hitting .337 with 58 homers and 145 RBIs. 

Are you saying he isn't achieving these numbers? The hell you say! Lol. 

13 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The thing that irritates me more is they kept saying we needed a cheap backup QB for a couple years as to why in the 2020 offseason we couldn’t sign a veteran QB. And used a 2nd on one. Even though we were in a pandemic so a rookie second round pick was unlikely to be ready to roll if something happened due to no offseason activities and limited reps in 2020. So they believed they were gonna be fine if wentz (assuming he was playing like end 2019) went down a rookie would just pick up where he left off even though he was a second round rookie with pandemic offseason. Add on we didnt have the cap space to sign a veteran last offseason but this offseason we were in more of a tight position but did and they did so in a rebuild. And signed him so it hurts them future years with the phony years. 

Or just maybe they realized Wentz wasn’t the answer and decided to eat it. They liked Hurts and pushed Wentz out. 

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I agree, Howie just keeps looking more and more like a moron with all of this. These are probably the same BS lines he gives Lurie and somehow Lurie believes it or whatever he thinks

The other thing that irritates me about last off-season was they sat there at a press conference and claimed they were going to start a rebuild that off season. They stated they pivoted from that due the pandemic and seeing that there were 3 new coaches in the NFC East. It didn’t matter what the other 3 teams were doing, they identified they needed to begin a rebuild then. And yet winning a s#!+ nfc East became paramount even though they knew they had to rebuild and based off that highly likely knew they weren’t close to winning a super bowl as they identified they needed a rebuild then. 

30 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

Or just maybe they realized Wentz wasn’t the answer and decided to eat it. They liked Hurts and pushed Wentz out. 

They liked hurts so much they tried to trade up to get Zach Wilson in the draft. And been rumored to be trying to trade for Russell Wilson and Deshaun watson even though watson has 22 allegations and 12 criminal charges against him. I didn’t mention the reports saying they were trying to get wentz back on board from end of the season through January  

I specifically said when they drafted Jalen hurts they drafted him not knowing what Carson Wentz they were going to get. Were they going to get early season 2019 Carson Wentz or were they going to get late season 2019 Carson. Imo they drafted hurts  knowing it was gonna take hurts about two years to be ready and in the two years they had enough time to make a decision on what Carson was and much less dead money to move on at that point. I don’t think they wanted to move on from Carson Wentz when they did. I think Carson Wentz didn’t wanna be here anymore (if Doug and howie were here) and the eagles saw there was no way they could bring him back. 

9 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Are you saying he isn't achieving these numbers? The hell you say! Lol. 

Naw we just eliminate his lesser games to give a projection that isn’t accurate 

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The other thing that irritates me about last off-season was they sat there at a press conference and claimed they were going to start a rebuild that off season. They stated they pivoted from that due the pandemic and seeing that there were 3 new coaches in the NFC East. It didn’t matter what the other 3 teams were doing, they identified they needed to begin a rebuild then. And yet winning a s#!+ nfc East became paramount even though they knew they had to rebuild and based off that highly likely knew they weren’t close to winning a super bowl as they identified they needed a rebuild then. 

I still say winning a Super Bowl that quickly really messed this team up. They were not expecting to win like that so they threw the rebuild out the window and kept trying to double down on the 2017 off-season. Don't get me wrong the Super Bowl was amazing and the best thing ever. I just don't think they knew what to do because the super bowl was likely not in their plans so soon.

 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Naw we just eliminate his lesser games to give a projection that isn’t accurate 

I still like Bryce a lot. They like the Eagles, do not understand how to build around or maintain  star players. Then when the fans jump on their backs on top of it, it's just over for them in this town. 

 

For as bad as Howie is, there is 0% chance they signed Wentz to a mega deal just to change their mind because of a dirty hit that led to one concussion and wanted to replace him with Hurts this fast.

1 minute ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I still say winning a Super Bowl that quickly really messed this team up. They were not expecting to win like that so they threw the rebuild out the window and kept trying to double down on the 2017 off-season. Don't get me wrong the Super Bowl was amazing and the best thing ever. I just don't think they knew what to do because the super bowl was likely not in their plans so soon.

 

After they fired chip i thought and i think a lot of us thought it was going to be a 2-3 year rebuild. I think it would’ve been more long term  sustainability and you wouldn’t be in as dire of a rebuild if they hit on more higher picks. Not busts in Sidney jones, JJaw or underachieving in dillard and Barnett (and I’d add goedert. I tend to think goedert has made nearly the leaps they thought he would). It wasn’t just that they didn’t have the picks because he kept trading them away. They just haven’t got near the production you’d expect from guys they picked in higher rounds so they were forced to rely on aging players and FA to sustain it. And then the began giving bad contracts out on top of it all 

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I still like Bryce a lot. They like the Eagles, do not understand how to build around or maintain  star players. Then when the fans jump on their backs on top of it, it's just over for them in this town. 

 

Oh i love Bryce. He’s not the problem with the philllies. he and wheeler about the only ones who aren’t. Was just making a point how ridiculous it is to just pick and choose stats to make someone’s projections just look ridiculous. 

28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

You know if we took Bryce Harper’s august numbers (28 games) and just project them out for the entire 162 games he’d be hitting .337 with 58 homers and 145 RBIs. 

Suck it Shohei  

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

For as bad as Howie is, there is 0% chance they signed Wentz to a mega deal just to change their mind because of a dirty hit that led to one concussion and wanted to replace him with Hurts this fast.

They outsmarted themselves in the draft room, as they do too often.  Weidl and Doug got into Howie’s ear with the Hurts idea, and he jumped on it.  It was delusional to think they could draft a QB in the 2nd round while having the #2 overall pick starting and not think there would be problems.  Wentz raised objections when Howie called him to give him a heads-up about the pick — a smart GM would have scrapped the idea at that moment  

12 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

For as bad as Howie is, there is 0% chance they signed Wentz to a mega deal just to change their mind because of a dirty hit that led to one concussion and wanted to replace him with Hurts this fast.

Well we had a whole month of January where there were a ton of reports they wanted to keep Carson until it was obvious it wasn’t going to happen. maybe they are truthfully saying they drafted hurts solely to be a backup QB behind wentz. I still think they wanted a potential long term insurance plan if in 2 years when getting out of wentz’s contract was easier they could pivot to hurts if they believed wentz wasn’t the guy and hurts would be groomed enough by then. I don’t think they ever believed wentz wouldn’t be their starter in 2021 when they drafted hurts. 

that’s sad, I like Jalen hurts. I’ve said before I think he’s ceiling if he reaches it is a top 15 quarterback. That’s not slight for a second round pick. However I’m also not blind and ignore every rumor that said the Eagles were interested in Zack Wilson, the Eagles were interested in Russell Wilson when that rumor started, the Eagles are still interested today according to Mike garafolo in watson who has a slew of allegations and criminal investigations against him. I hope hurts becomes great so we don’t have to make a move at QB. But that’s different then the eagles being tied and repeatedly this offseason with multiple different QBs 

20 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

They liked hurts so much they tried to trade up to get Zach Wilson in the draft. And been rumored to trade for Russell Wilson and Deshaun watson even though watson has 22 allegations and 12 criminal charges against him. I didn’t mention the reports saying they were trying to get wentz back on board from end of the season through January  

I specifically said when they drafted Jalen hurts they drafted him not knowing what Carson Wentz they were going to get. Were they going to get early season 2019 Carson Wentz or were they going to get late season 2019 Carson. Imo they drafted hurts  knowing it was gonna take hurts about two years to be ready and in the two years they had enough time to make a decision on what Carson was and much less dead money to move on at that point. I don’t think they wanted to move on from Carson Wentz when they did. I think Carson Wentz didn’t wanna be here anymore (if Doug and howie were here) and the eagles saw there was no way they could bring him back. 

All the words in your 1st paragraph is bs rumors man. Not worthy of any argument because it didn’t happen. They wanted to move on from Wentz. He wasn’t reliable. Wentz didn’t want to be here because he knew they didn’t want him. He is holding on to his NFL career by threads.