1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

I would still rather have Rodgers over Watson, but if we can only get Watson, I take it!

Watson wants nothing to do with us. 

So Watson couldn't win in Houston without a good defense, because he couldn't generate enough offense, 402, 378, 384 points his last three seasons, Eagles with all their dysfunction on offense, 367, 385, 334. So he'd be an upgrade over Hurts but not over "middlin' Wentz." if you give up your draft picks next year, you have no cap room for FAs, no draft picks to plug holes, so we're talking shaky OL, both TEs gone, no upgrades in the secondary, aging DL. Which means 2-3 years of mediocrity under Watson, then they'd have to blow it up.

Watson is the move you make three years from now when you're trading 1st rd picks in the 20s and have built a solid core of talent.

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

Watson wants nothing to do with us. 

Lets be honest, what good QB would want to come here? We may have to have Minshew start a few games just to show the rest of the league that we do have some decent players, who can play if we had an actual NFL caliber QB, before any good QB would want to come here. Right now we look like a dumpster fire

Now, I would still rather have Rodgers over Watson, but would take Watson if that was all we could get. (And yes the only way that happens is: 1) We dont see an issue with asking price, his legal troubles, and future contract status 2) If he would want to be here. 

 

14 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

The Raiders got Denzel Perryman for a damn 6th round pick and they even got a 7th rounder back in the deal. That guy would easily be our #1 LB here. He's making a difference on that Raiders D. I f'n hate this FO more than I ever have for this team. F'n terrible and we're not going anywhere with the disgraceful FO and their flawed egotistical views. 

Yup, I love Perryman.  He's one of my favorite linebackers, a throwback but still fits the modern NFL.  

9 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So Watson couldn't win in Houston without a good defense, because he couldn't generate enough offense, 402, 378, 384 points his last three seasons, Eagles with all their dysfunction on offense, 367, 385, 334. So he'd be an upgrade over Hurts but not over "middlin' Wentz." if you give up your draft picks next year, you have no cap room for FAs, no draft picks to plug holes, so we're talking shaky OL, both TEs gone, no upgrades in the secondary, aging DL. Which means 2-3 years of mediocrity under Watson, then they'd have to blow it up.

Watson is the move you make three years from now when you're trading 1st rd picks in the 20s and have built a solid core of talent.

FYI I wanted to Give Wentz more time, The team, Howie and most the fans wanted him gone. Not me. 

So he is no longer a choice we can make. 

I'd rather have Watson over any QB's coming out in the draft next year, or any QB's we currently have on the roster this year. 

I have only one issue with the "building the team first, and then getting a qb" strategy - That assumes you can get one once the team is built. Since they are the hardest position to fill, you need to grab them when you are in position to grab one you know can be a franchise QB. Otherwise you could waste the best years of the team you built, still searching for your elusive franchise QB, and end up in the same place. 

 

13 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

Logan Wilson, a guy a lot of us mentioned before leading up to the 2020 draft, looks really really good. 3rd round pick.

So does Akeem Davis-Gaither, 4 picks after Taylor was taken.

The Giants took Tae Crowder out of Georgia at the end of round 7....he's starting for them.  

Another guy who looks really good is Kenneth Murray.  Would have loved him in round 1 instead of Reagor.

 

14 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I would still rather have Rodgers over Watson, but if we can only get Watson, I take it!

Rodgers turns 38 in a few months.  How much does he have left to give?

Tom Brady is the outlier.  The guy has a passion for football that we've never seen.  He could play a few more years, maybe hit 46-47.  I just don't see that same desire from Rodgers.  I think he has other post career aspirations that he'd like to do sooner rather than later.  

If the Eagles were to trade for him, it's going to cost a ton and really how long would he be here?

42 minutes ago, greendestiny27 said:

The Raiders got Denzel Perryman for a damn 6th round pick and they even got a 7th rounder back in the deal. That guy would easily be our #1 LB here. He's making a difference on that Raiders D. I f'n hate this FO more than I ever have for this team. F'n terrible and we're not going anywhere with the disgraceful FO and their flawed egotistical views. 

Perriman was absolutely terrible against Miami. Adding another bad LB isn’t the answer either. 

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Rodgers turns 38 in a few months.  How much does he have left to give?

Tom Brady is the outlier.  The guy has a passion for football that we've never seen.  He could play a few more years, maybe hit 46-47.  I just don't see that same desire from Rodgers.  I think he has other post career aspirations that he'd like to do sooner rather than later.  

If the Eagles were to trade for him, it's going to cost a ton and really how long would he be here?

I'm good with 4 years. That would be worth it for me. 4 Years of high level play at the QB position. 

1 hour ago, EaglesIreland said:

Well this is the thing. On a purely football ability basis you’d want him on your team. The problem is the legal issues outside of football to which any team he may sign with have zero control over, and I don’t know why any team would trade for a player and give up draft picks for, when you don’t know from one day to the next whether he’ll be able to play for you. I’m surprised he hasn’t been put on the commissioner’s list and that way the Texans don’t have to do anything and they can let the legal issues play out whichever way they do.

Saw a report saying the league didn't put him on the list because he's not playing for the Texans right now. My guess would be as soon as he's traded he'll be put on the list and you don't have him for the next season or duration of his legal troubles

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No.  You don't build a solid core and then get the QB.  That is back asswards as hell.  You get the GM, HC and QB and you build with those 3.  

I'm not lobbying for the move one way or the other.  I am just pointing out how flawed your outlook is......again.  

100% completely agree. 

25 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

I would still rather have Rodgers over Watson, but if we can only get Watson, I take it!

Rodgers definitely isn’t happening. Watson most definitely isn’t either. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

Rodgers definitely isn’t happening. Watson most definitely isn’t either. 

I cant say 100% not happening until, they both go semewhere else. 

 

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Saw a report saying the league didn't put him on the list because he's not playing for the Texans right now. My guess would be as soon as he's traded he'll be put on the list and you don't have him for the next season or duration of his legal troubles

thats possible, and you have to know for sure before you make a trade. 

Just now, Ipiggles said:

I cant say 100% not happening until, they both go semewhere else. 

 

I would bet a lot of money Rodgers is not coming to Philly. Like - a lot 

22 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

FYI I wanted to Give Wentz more time, The team, Howie and most the fans wanted him gone. Not me. 

So he is no longer a choice we can make. 

I'd rather have Watson over any QB's coming out in the draft next year, or any QB's we currently have on the roster this year. 

I have only one issue with the "building the team first, and then getting a qb" strategy - That assumes you can get one once the team is built. Since they are the hardest position to fill, you need to grab them when you are in position to grab one you know can be a franchise QB. Otherwise you could waste the best years of the team you built, still searching for your elusive franchise QB, and end up in the same place. 

 

Been saying this for months now. Just cause you want a QB once you build the team up doesn’t mean you are magically just going to get one cause you really really really want one. The Eagles wanted Zack Wilson. They tried to move up to get him. However they couldn’t move up high enough past the Jets to get Wilson. That same scenario could play itself out yet again in 2023 when they have the roster built up better if they wanted to just wait to do that route  

just because you want to get your quarterback at a specific period of time doesn’t mean you can acquire that QB at that time. If you are trading for one, first you have to have one that you feel is worthy of trading for. Might not be one of those on the market at that time. Secondly you have to have the draft capital and even some players to make the trade with the other team. Which you might not have all that in two or three years or another team has better assets then you and beats you out of a deal.

If you want to go to the draft routine, you either have to have a pick high enough to get the guy you truly covet. If you don’t then you need to trade up which isn’t a given cause of multiple factors. you have to have the draft capital to move up, you have to have a team willing to trade with you and move back to where you are picking and you potentially have to beat out other teams who are also trying to move up into that slot to get the same guy you want and potentially at that point in time have better package (talking after 2022). 

ideally you would want to build up the roster and then your quarterback comes in and is out in the best position to have success. However this they’re automatically going to get that quarterback once they build up the roster has flaws such as they might not be able to acquire that QB and then waste that roster until they do. It’s not an automatic given if you go that route you have the capital at that point to get one or you even get one at all or the one you get is even good. 

Just now, EaglePhan1986 said:

I would bet a lot of money Rodgers is not coming to Philly. Like - a lot 

You may be correct, but that wouldn't stop me from trying. Jeebus, if thats the case I wouldn't be married right now, have a house, or have started a new career mid life. SOmetimes you got to take chances. 

 

"You dont make 100% of the shots you dont take!"

 

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Perriman was absolutely terrible against Miami. Adding another bad LB isn’t the answer either. 

Perriman did everything he could to keep the Dolphins in the game. He can't move. He looked like Levon Kirkland.

19 hours ago, WentzFan11 said:

@LeanMeanGM

Eagles 33

Chiefs 32

Bonus: Sanders 150+ yards rushing. 

Since Sirianni will probably panic and feel the need to keep up with 14 minutes left in the 1st, this will be an impressive 75 yards per rush avg for Sanders!  

I don’t think Watson is as good as everyone makes him out to be. He could barely win with the Texans when they had far more talent than what we have now. 

3 minutes ago, goeagles5039 said:

I don’t think Watson is as good as everyone makes him out to be. He could barely win with the Texans when they had far more talent than what we have now. 

Yeah their defense was worse than the Cowboys defense in every statistical category last year. The eagles defense might not be great, but they weren’t worse than a historically bad cowboys defense last year. And the Texans still had a worse oline last year then what the eagles had last year with the rash of injuries we had. That’s saying something. 

I would also add on there’s been a report from a book that recently came out that O’Brien was trying to get fired last year.

1 minute ago, goeagles5039 said:

I don’t think Watson is as good as everyone makes him out to be. He could barely win with the Texans when they had far more talent than what we have now. 

Sliding scale..

 

Who is avail that we know is an actual NFL Caliber QB... VS who we got and who is coming out next year in the draft.  

 

Lets be honest if Russell Wilson becomes avail, he moves to the number one target on my list, followed by Rodger and then Watson.   You can only grade whats actually avail, vs what you got or can get. 

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Sliding scale..

 

Who is avail that we know is an actual NFL Caliber QB... VS who we got and who is coming out next year in the draft.  

 

Lets be honest if Russell Wilson becomes avail, he moves to the number one target on my list, followed by Rodger and then Watson.   You can only grade whats actually avail, vs what you got or can get. 

I’d rather take my chances in the draft with all our draft picks. Every year I hear the following years class isn’t great at QB yet every year there are QBs that rise and turn out good.

Just now, goeagles5039 said:

I’d rather take my chances in the draft with all our draft picks. Every year I hear the following years class isn’t great at QB yet every year there are QBs that rise and turn out good.

But that assumes Howie will draft one correctly, and just looking at his track record...... I'd rather go with an actual known comodity. We know Rodgers, Watson and WIlson can play.

Vs the howies records of High Draft picks, like Jjaw, Reagor, Hurts, Sidney Jones etc.      If Howie misses on all of those picks they are wasted, Cant miss if you use them on someone proven.